Barack Obama

[jimnaseum]

"Thomas Sowell has his head up his ass"-Thomas Jefferson
sorry, George Jefferson

[The Conquistador]

Obviously you cannot provide a valid and coherent arguement against Thomas Sowell's reasoning and must therefore resort to ad hominem attacks.


My Sowell beats your Kimmel.

[jimnaseum]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Obviously you cannot provide a valid and coherent arguement against Thomas Sowell's reasoning and must therefore resort to ad hominem attacks.

Sorry, "Sowell has his head up his ass" -Jim Nauseum.

Bill Gates gives 2 billion to charity. Where do you think he got that money? Do you think he worked 200 hours a day? That 2 billion came from average citizens that shelled out hard earned money for windows. And once he got that money he multiplied it on the stock market. Whether you know it or not, all that money made on Wall st. was created by people who work 40 hour weeks for peanuts. Rent and food and a car.

1% of the people own 50% of the money. If you voted for that 1% to be in control, You;re their Bitch!!!! Not me.......

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

Sorry, "Sowell has his head up his ass" -Jim Nauseum.

Bill Gates gives 2 billion to charity. Where do you think he got that money? Do you think he worked 200 hours a day? That 2 billion came from average citizens that shelled out hard earned money for windows. And once he got that money he multiplied it on the stock market. Whether you know it or not, all that money made on Wall st. was created by people who work 40 hour weeks for peanuts. Rent and food and a car.

1% of the people own 50% of the money. If you voted for that 1% to be in control, You;re their Bitch!!!! Not me.......

Bill Gates is an opportunist who marketed a product towards other people. Had there not been a demand for his product, he wouldn't be as successful as he is now. If you don't like someone's product, don't buy it.

Buying into rampant consumerism and bitching about it afterwards shows a lack of personal restraint and an innate hatred of anyone who may be more successful than you. Lest I remind you, you are probably typing your messages on either a Windows or Apple computer so you did indeed give away your money to either Bill Gates or Steve Jobs and that does in fact make you their Bitch. You did what is known as "voting with your dollar".

[jimnaseum]

[QUOTE=TheAngryPostman;130499] don't buy it
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I seem to remember Microsoft facing an Antitrust Rap in 1998, this is your Sowell hero. Your point was that corporations were charitable, my point is they have more money to be charitable. And then of course there is tax shelters.
This all comes down to UNION vs MANAGEMENT. If the people bond together, and refuse to eat shit, that's business, right? It's also called voting with your dollar.

The Health Industry is rampant profiteering leeched onto a noble cause. Parasites. Should Schools be an individual responsibility?
Any person who is Noble, Republican or Democrat, he's going to be OK, everyone he deals with will be OK. The better debater will win our debate. This has nothing to do with Cheney having all the Oil Execs in his office for a top secret meeting a week before gas prices soar!!! Take it or leave it? YOU take it!!!

[The Conquistador]

[QUOTE=jimnaseum;130535]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

don't buy it
QUOTE]

I seem to remember Microsoft facing an Antitrust Rap in 1998, this is your Sowell hero. Your point was that corporations were charitable, my point is they have more money to be charitable. And then of course there is tax shelters.
This all comes down to UNION vs MANAGEMENT. If the people bond together, and refuse to eat shit, that's business, right? It's also called voting with your dollar.

The Health Industry is rampant profiteering leeched onto a noble cause. Parasites. Should Schools be an individual responsibility?
Any person who is Noble, Republican or Democrat, he's going to be OK, everyone he deals with will be OK. The better debater will win our debate. This has nothing to do with Cheney having all the Oil Execs in his office for a top secret meeting a week before gas prices soar!!! Take it or leave it? YOU take it!!!

Read again Jimbo. I said that people who know what work actually is tend to be more charitable versus those that complain and bitch and ask for handouts all the time.

The Microsoft Antitrust case was because Microsoft packaged IE with the OS. You are obviously talking about things way outside your pay grade.

Unions set the wages for the workers and decrease any incentive for quality because they are going to get paid anyways. Why do you think GM and Chrysler went under? Low productivity, low quality and exorbitant expenses that were incurred by the unions as "benefits" for their workers led to their bankruptcy and ultimately put the workers out of a job; the very same workers that they were "supposed" to protect. Unions are by nature, communist. No matter how productive you are, you do not get paid your worth; they determine it for you. They determine your wages, your benefits and even how productive you are supposed to be. Unions were fine if you were a coal miner in 1880 or a steel worker in 1906 but nowadays, they are just counter productive.

Schooling is also something that should not be public. Look at the standards nowadays. A Bachelors Degree today is equal to a High School Diploma from the 1950's. Standards today are incredibly dumbed down because of idiots crying that their stupid kids are smoking pot and being lazy rather than getting an education. Today's average man is already a retard by 1900's standards.

Is it the schools fault that Little Johnny is a dipshit and has no discipline in his life? No. If it was the teachers fault and it was indeed the teacher who was not doing their job, then usually the teacher would be fired. But since they are employed by the Teachers Unions, anything other than molesting students, the teachers will continue to collect a paycheck and do very little.

And Jimbo, ad hominem has no place in a rational debate. Please do further to strengthen your arguements.


And yes, people banding together and boycotting certain legitimate wrongdoings in a business is indeed a form of "voting with your dollar". Why continue to buy something if it violates what you stand for?

[jimnaseum]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

And Jimbo, ad hominem has no place in a rational debate. Please do further to strengthen your arguements.

I can't speak for the others, but I was more amusing myself at your expense than debating.

EVERY ONE of you points has one fatal flaw. George W Bush. He cost you all your credibility. I'm with Obama all day. I smelled Bush coming all the way. I've run into his kind a thousand times. That crap you're spouting DOESN'T WORK.*

*2000-2008

See, I gave you a footnote to prove my arguement.{sic}

[randolph]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

Sorry, "Sowell has his head up his ass" -Jim Nauseum.

Bill Gates gives 2 billion to charity. Where do you think he got that money? Do you think he worked 200 hours a day? That 2 billion came from average citizens that shelled out hard earned money for windows. And once he got that money he multiplied it on the stock market. Whether you know it or not, all that money made on Wall st. was created by people who work 40 hour weeks for peanuts. Rent and food and a car.

1% of the people own 50% of the money. If you voted for that 1% to be in control, You;re their Bitch!!!! Not me.......

Yep, half of the people in this country "love" their "daddy" as he screws them day and night. Wall street rules!

[randolph]

Drew explains why people vote against their interests.



In his book The Political Brain, psychologist Drew Westen, an exasperated Democrat, tried to show why the Right often wins the argument even when the Left is confident that it has the facts on its side.
He uses the following exchange from the first presidential debate between Al Gore and George Bush in 2000 to illustrate the perils of trying to explain to voters what will make them better off:
Gore: "Under the governor's plan, if you kept the same fee for service that you have now under Medicare, your premiums would go up by between 18% and 47%, and that is the study of the Congressional plan that he's modelled his proposal on by the Medicare actuaries."
Bush: "Look, this is a man who has great numbers. He talks about numbers.


"I'm beginning to think not only did he invent the internet, but he invented the calculator. It's fuzzy math. It's trying to scare people in the voting booth."
Mr Gore was talking sense and Mr Bush nonsense - but Mr Bush won the debate. With statistics, the voters just hear a patronising policy wonk, and switch off.
For Mr Westen, stories always trump statistics, which means the politician with the best stories is going to win: "One of the fallacies that politicians often have on the Left is that things are obvious, when they are not obvious.
"Obama's administration made a tremendous mistake by not immediately branding the economic collapse that we had just had as the Republicans' Depression, caused by the Bush administration's ideology of unregulated greed. The result is that now people blame him."
Reverse revolution
Thomas Frank, the author of the best-selling book What's The Matter with Kansas, is an even more exasperated Democrat and he goes further than Mr Westen.
He believes that the voters' preference for emotional engagement over reasonable argument has allowed the Republican Party to blind them to their own real interests.
The Republicans have learnt how to stoke up resentment against the patronising liberal elite, all those do-gooders who assume they know what poor people ought to be thinking.
Right-wing politics has become a vehicle for channelling this popular anger against intellectual snobs. The result is that many of America's poorest citizens have a deep emotional attachment to a party that serves the interests of its richest.
Thomas Frank thinks that voters have become blinded to their real interests

Thomas Frank says that whatever disadvantaged Americans think they are voting for, they get something quite different:
"You vote to strike a blow against elitism and you receive a social order in which wealth is more concentrated than ever before in our life times, workers have been stripped of power, and CEOs are rewarded in a manner that is beyond imagining.
"It's like a French Revolution in reverse in which the workers come pouring down the street screaming more power to the aristocracy."
As Mr Frank sees it, authenticity has replaced economics as the driving force of modern politics. The authentic politicians are the ones who sound like they are speaking from the gut, not the cerebral cortex. Of course, they might be faking it, but it is no joke to say that in contemporary politics, if you can fake sincerity, you have got it made.
Yep, Rush, Glenn and Fox News have fucked the voters.

[jimnaseum]

Originally Posted by randolph

Politics is psychology .

And there you are.