Castration: DISCUSSION

[timhaas]

Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness

hi andrea ,

well if i get an orchi i will probably just stay as that and not bother with full srs ... as the main reason behimd the srs/orchi for me would be to reduce damage to my liver ...

i have always gone by this thought process if my cock is no longer usabale there is not point in having it ... if i lose my balls, and retain abit of function etc then i may a wel keep it ...

So from that i would probably have the scrotum removed as well ... as i have a big sack so it would flap to much lol

Sweetheart, it's only my own opinion, of course, but I do think that castration would do its best if done in your teens. Now it would only smoothen your look, but does not bring you the necessary changes you're so eager about...

[Attis]

Originally Posted by timhaas

Sweetheart, it's only my own opinion, of course, but I do think that castration would do its best if done in your teens. Now it would only smoothen your look, but does not bring you the necessary changes you're so eager about...

I approved, the problem of hair arises after puberty. It is difficult to get rid of male characteristics once go beyond this.

[Cat]

Not so guys.

Eliminating gonadal testosterone (the adrenal gland still produces some) will have several beneficial effects long after puberty.

Body hair regrowth (but NOT beard, sadly) will slow, if not stop entirely. The skin will soften.

Many of us choose to remove testosterone from the equation either surgically or chemically. It allows a reduction in oestrogen dose - which is a marked benefit in itself. In fact, for some eliminating the testosterone allows their own natural oestrogen levels to achieve some feminisation particularly of breasts.

I've been testosterone free for 18 months or so and the body hair regrowth between waxing sessions has been reduced to such an extent that my upper body only needs waxing every 6-8 weeks versus 3-4 originally.

The other major benefit is protection of the scalp hair. Some form of blocking of DHT is necessary, whether by Dutasteride, Finasteride or surgery to prevent or even, in a limited fashion, reverse male pattern hair loss.

I'd go the surgical route in a heartbeat.

[Juicy Cherries]

Originally Posted by Cat

Not so guys.

Eliminating gonadal testosterone (the adrenal gland still produces some) will have several beneficial effects long after puberty.

Body hair regrowth (but NOT beard, sadly) will slow, if not stop entirely. The skin will soften.

Many of us choose to remove testosterone from the equation either surgically or chemically. It allows a reduction in oestrogen dose - which is a marked benefit in itself. In fact, for some eliminating the testosterone allows their own natural oestrogen levels to achieve some feminisation particularly of breasts.

I've been testosterone free for 18 months or so and the body hair regrowth between waxing sessions has been reduced to such an extent that my upper body only needs waxing every 6-8 weeks versus 3-4 originally.

The other major benefit is protection of the scalp hair. Some form of blocking of DHT is necessary, whether by Dutasteride, Finasteride or surgery to prevent or even, in a limited fashion, reverse male pattern hair loss.

I'd go the surgical route in a heartbeat.

THANK YOU. We need more of this info!

[JamieTS]

Originally Posted by Cat

Not so guys.

Eliminating gonadal testosterone (the adrenal gland still produces some) will have several beneficial effects long after puberty.

Body hair regrowth (but NOT beard, sadly) will slow, if not stop entirely. The skin will soften.

Many of us choose to remove testosterone from the equation either surgically or chemically. It allows a reduction in oestrogen dose - which is a marked benefit in itself. In fact, for some eliminating the testosterone allows their own natural oestrogen levels to achieve some feminisation particularly of breasts.

I've been testosterone free for 18 months or so and the body hair regrowth between waxing sessions has been reduced to such an extent that my upper body only needs waxing every 6-8 weeks versus 3-4 originally.

The other major benefit is protection of the scalp hair. Some form of blocking of DHT is necessary, whether by Dutasteride, Finasteride or surgery to prevent or even, in a limited fashion, reverse male pattern hair loss.

I'd go the surgical route in a heartbeat.

That is normal. Hair growth comes in stages. When you first wax, the hair that isn't waxed may be in a cycle where it is about to grow back. the more you rip the hair out then the less you have to wax. Eyebrows are the perfect example. The more you pluck the less they will grow back. Eventually they may not or they may be so thin. Remember the pencil thin brows? Now some women don't grow them thick enough and need o use brow brushes and so on. Personally I love thinner brows. I still have to pluck though but not as often.

Facial hair sux but wax it a few times if you can handle it and then it is the same as the brows, legg, underarms and such. But HOLY SHIT. It hurts.

[bernie]

To begin with: I love castrated transsexuals, especially those with medium sized dicks, tiny natural tits and a slightly chubby figure. Orchiectomy has ? in contrast to sex reassignment surgery (SRS) ? the advantage of retaining the penis and therewith a more or less marked ?male? sexual reaction. Isn?t it the ?male? in the ? otherwise feminised ? transsexual that turns us on? It?s it the possibility of sucking a dick in a ?woman? and/or the chance to be fucked by a ?woman? that makes the trans?sexuals so precious to us. Inasmuch as SRS takes most of this preciousness away, castration retains most of it while still leaving us with a likewise feminised individual. Orchiectomy makes e.g. tucking much easier and our transsexual loved ones may wear tight pants and jeans, or even one-piece swimsuits, without having to fear uncovering. Castration puts the transsexual both physically and mentally in an intermediate position between ?male? and ?female?, with advantages and disadvantages of both of them without actually belonging to either side.
And of course it?s true that castration has a lot of advantages compared to intense and long term consumption of hormones and antihormones (hormone blockers). Especially when taken in form of pills, liver damages is one of the main problems incurred by that.
But there are many other aspects of castration (bilateral orchiectomy):
 Often referred to is the fact, that your cum is different (clear) and less in terms of quantity. That?s because cum is only partly produced in the balls (testes) and the rest in produced in the prostate gland, and that part is the relatively clear liquid.
 The balls aren?t the only producer of testosterone in the male body, although they are by far the main producer. The adrenal glands actually do produce ca 5 % of the testosterone. That means that castration does not completely determine the production of male hormones.
 Hormones do not only have a wide influence on the human body but also on the human mind (psyche). With certain reservations you can safely say that the effects of castration in a male body and mind are in a way similar to the changes during the climacteric period in women. This is underlined by the observation that elderly castrated men tend to develop a matronly appearance.
 (Long term) physical effects are ? some more, some less pronounced:
o Loss of muscle mass, especially in the arms and subsequent loss of physical strength (due to modified proteolysis muscles [not only in the arms] will eventually evolve into connective tissue)
o Redistribution of body fat according to a more female pattern (due to modified lipid metabolism). Hips, buttocks, mons pubis, thighs, upper arms, torso ? especially breasts ? will develop more fat tissue, the figure will by tendency shape up from male ?apple? to female ?pear? (and thereby sometimes become portly)
o body hair will become fewer and finer and pubic hair growth will align to the female triangle
(Beard growth will in nearly all cases not be affected; here depilation is definitely needed)
o Hair growth on scull will in contrast increase; boldness is either stopped or even reduced
o Reduction of (manly) body odour
o Tenderisation of the skin; body skin will become more fine pored
 Sexual effects will be
o Immediate and complete loss of reproductiveness (balls are the only producer of sperms)
o Because of failure of most of testosterone production, sex drive will decline in due course
o Frequency, duration and intensity of erections will decline as well
(In both cases this does greatly depend on the individual?s predisposition. If you indulged in intense and continuous sexual activities ? and be it masturbation ? prior to orchiectomy, your chance of retaining most of your libido and erection-ability is much more probable than if not. On the other side even complete disappearance of sex drive and total inability of erection may [gradually] occur)
 Lack of testosterone does not only lead to physical and sexual consequences but may also lead to changes in mind, emotions and character. It will make you (as a rule and in the long run)
o less aggressive
o tendentially docile and submissive
o more sentimental and in need of affection
o susceptible to mood swings
o more thin-skinned and touchy
o more inclined to burst into tears over trivialities and
o contingent to spells of depression
 In all, one can safely say, that orchiectomy has ? as for transsexuals ? both pleasant and unpleasant implications of which ? in my opinion ? the more pleasant are by far in majority.
But ? as has been pointed out elsewhere ? sustainable feminisation implicates still the persistent and regular intake of female hormones even though on a clearly reduced level ? in spite of and additional to orchiectomy.
And to belie contrary reports: many (if not most) of the transsexual models and performers in the so-called ?adult industry? need auxiliary pharmaceutical agents to get and/or maintain an erection, including many of those who ?only? take hormones and never had an orchiectomy (so informed insiders state).

[smc]

Originally Posted by bernie

... Isn’t it the ‘male’ in the – otherwise feminised – transsexual that turns us on? It’s it the possibility of sucking a dick in a ‘woman’ and/or the chance to be fucked by a ‘woman’ that makes the trans?sexuals so precious to us. Inasmuch as SRS takes most of this preciousness away, castration retains most of it while still leaving us with a likewise feminised individual. Orchiectomy makes e.g. tucking much easier and our transsexual loved ones may wear tight pants and jeans, or even one-piece swimsuits, without having to fear uncovering. Castration puts the transsexual both physically and mentally in an intermediate position between ‘male’ and ‘female’, with advantages and disadvantages of both of them without actually belonging to either side. ..."

Your post has been moved to the appropriate thread, i.e., this "Castration: DISCUSSION" thread. It had been in Freebies. Most of what you write has already been stated in this discussion thread.

I want to concentrate, though, on the part of your long post that I quote just above. It is not acceptable to put quotation marks around the word WOMAN as you have done. This is ungendering. Read here:

http://forum.transladyboy.com/showthread.php?t=7311

Ungendering is not allowed on this site. I hope yours is unintentional, and that you do not see the world this way. I also hope that some of our transwomen members will chime in to remind all of us how disrespectful it is to write things in a way that suggests they are any less women than any other women -- as the use of quotation marks clearly does.

[swingplus]

I once heard (not from a reliable source) that some of the asian ladyboys are castrated at a very young age to give them more feminine physiques and little cocks. I guess it makes sense, and I certainly do love a girl with a tiny cock and no balls. Any info out there on this? And thanks to all for this great thread!

[LibertyHarkness]

yep as someoen stated having only one ball wont fix the issue as the remaing testicle will jsst overclock itself to produce ..

For me i want to feminse me that is the only important thing for me ...if it means i lose erections etc then so be it .. i shouldnt have a cock anyway but i do lol

but for now i am just taking a high dose of hormoens, finishing off my face/body then i will look into my genitals as what is the right course of action for me ..

its interesting my mum wants me to get full grs, my dad is like naaaa kid just lose the nuts ...and you can still go with women lol

[tanisha]

Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness

yep as someoen stated having only one ball wont fix the issue as the remaing testicle will jsst overclock itself to produce ..

For me i want to feminse me that is the only important thing for me ...if it means i lose erections etc then so be it .. i shouldnt have a cock anyway but i do lol

but for now i am just taking a high dose of hormoens, finishing off my face/body then i will look into my genitals as what is the right course of action for me ..

its interesting my mum wants me to get full grs, my dad is like naaaa kid just lose the nuts ...and you can still go with women lol

you are lucky to have full co-operation from your parents. Go for it !!!

[markie v]

why cant she cum, she still has a prostate and the balls have little to do with the size of the load?

[SilverSabre]

You're asking the same question again and again and again and period...

Take some time and paper towel and start reading
http://forum.transladyboy.com/showthread.php?t=10200

[StellaDixxie]

Testicle removal reduces testosterone and androgen production by 99% reducing body hair, preventing male pattern baldness, etc. I would love to have the surgery if i could afford it.

[lbarr99]

yeah i could see where it might be a turn on.but then again i love suckin' on those tgirl balls really gives me a massive hard on! hell I'm gettin hard just thinkin' 'bout it!

[VanityLove2030]

If the doctor removes the testis correctly the sack should shrink. The shaft if taking hormones would also shrink in size but as much one may think.

My penis is much smaller then before I was 7 now its 5 1/2 without testis, but then again I have been on Spiro since 2000.

This my take on this topic..

Thanks

[loverboy23]

Originally Posted by VanityLove2030

If the doctor removes the testis correctly the sack should shrink. The shaft if taking hormones would also shrink in size but as much one may think.

My penis is much smaller then before I was 7 now its 5 1/2 without testis, but then again I have been on Spiro since 2000.

This my take on this topic..

Thanks

Did your sack shrink? When did you have the operation? I dont know why, but you describing your once 7 to now 5 1/2 without testicles just turned me on.

[SbDm59]

As for me - I wish to be castrated with removal of testicles and scrotum. I wish my place between my clitty cock and asspussy looks flat, smooth and looks like it never exists there anything except tight smooth and flat skin...

[rb654321]

I think it would be such a turn-on to fondle, caress and suck on an empty sac on a beautiful shemale.

[markie v]

I would like to see one in person!

[rb654321]

Have any of the wonderful ladies who have had their balls removed had them made into earrings?

If not, what did you do with them after they were removed?

[markie v]

Just sick.

Originally Posted by rb654321

Have any of the wonderful ladies who have had their balls removed had them made into earrings?

If not, what did you do with them after they were removed?

[andyoranges]

......turns me on........I'm new to all this, and for me it will be easier to deal with a gorgeous woman with a cock & no balls (just like dealing with the Domme who ass-fucks me with her strapon).........somehow, sucking down a load of blanks seems easier than sucking down a load of sperm.

I don't understand why somebody who goes to all the effort to be so feminine would want to fight the effects of testosterone at the same time......?

[AnneFlore]

Some prefer shemales with, others prefer without balls. This is a personal choice and taste. I will not dare define which is better.
From my own transgender experience, I regret I was born too early in a country where having balls removed was absolutely out of question. I would have it done, and maybe the full operation.
About the pictures displayed, I suspect that, unknown from the poster, some TG are actually GG with a Photoshop cock. It is easy to do it on pictures, but not on video clips.
Anyway, TG for ever.

[Charlie413]

Originally Posted by Tailia

When a girl is totally submissive I believe it is occasionally necessary for the sack to be emptied. For cosmetic purposes prosthetic balls can replace those removed. However, I do adore the thought of shemale balls clinking into the pan.

Kinky but then aren't we all?

Oh yes, that empty sack looks so very exciting to me. Please, no prosthetic balls. Let that sack hang down nice and empty. I love that look!

Charlie

[jonnie]

Empty sac is so cool. I only have one ball and would love to get rid of the other. Big question...do I need HRT? Really would rather not have to take hormones.

[megalops]

Originally Posted by Charlie413

Oh yes, that empty sack looks so very exciting to me. Please, no prosthetic balls. Let that sack hang down nice and empty. I love that look!

Charlie

I'm the opposite. I love the look of no balls and no scrotum. A nice little dick hanging down with nothing below is very hot (IMHO).

[MacShreach]

Some great crack above, with the usual (for TS forums) crosstalk and missing of point. Anyway 'castration' which is usually called orchidectomy or orchiectomy, is useful mainly because the use of androgen blockers is regarded as being hazardous in the longer term.

Hormonal transition for mtf requires two completely different processes: 1, the suppression of the effects of testosterone, which masculinise the body and 2, the use of female hormones, principally oestrogen, to feminise it.

Some transwomen who self-med blitz with so much oestrogen that their testosterone just can't get through, but this risks liver damage and in any case is inefficient. Furthermore, oestrogen is implicated in certain forms of cancer, notably breast cancer, especially at higher levels. Using a proper androgen blocker, eg androcur or spirolactone, stops the testosterone and allows feminisation at lower and therefore safer doses of oestrogen. But the androgen blockers also have risks, which include memory loss, osteoporosis and muscular atrophy.

Ordinary women produce testosterone, just not so much; getting the anti-androgen balance right to replicate this level in the mtf is not at all easy. (Too much anti-androgen=no testosterone=problems; not enough=masculinisation.) This is one reason why self-medicating is a Bad Idea.

This female testosterone is not, obviously, produced in the testes but elsewhere, and it is also produced in these places in the male body. Removing an mtf transsexual's testes allows her body to self-regulate the testosterone at about the female level with no androgen blockers. (Essentially, the endocrine system is fooled into thinking the body is female, but lacks the ability to produce female levels of oestrogen itself. So, after orchidectomy, an mtf's body is very like that of a woman who has had her ovaries removed. Remember, we all began as females. The body just reverts.)

So 'castration' allows the use of smaller and safer doses of oestrogen to allow the feminisation required for mtf transition. (Note: anyone who has been castrated will have to take HRT to prevent problems. This was an issue for many early transitioners, notably April Ashley, who developed severe osteoporosis because she did not.)

Do you see? (Phew.)

In broader terms the physiological trick in SRS is done by the removal of the testes. The actual construction of the vagina is just cosmetic surgery, though I realise how important it can be for many girls. But that's really a psychological issue to do with her sense of gender and self, and not the fairly mechanical processes of her endocrine system.

Some girls report that after orchidectomy their erectile ability recovers. This is probably because they had previously been over-suppressing their testosterone. Others, however, report the opposite or no change.

BTW that nonsense above about skin--the differences between male and female skin is caused by hormonal action. Any transsexual will tell you the differences in her skin and hair are obvious when she is on hormones. These have no effect whatsoever, however, on underlying skin tone, which is genetic, not hormonal, in origin. In other words, under controlled oestrogen therapy, a scandic male will become a scandic female, a dark-skinned male will become a dark-skinned female.

[Sagisabrina62]

Originally Posted by megalops

I'm the opposite. I love the look of no balls and no scrotum. A nice little dick hanging down with nothing below is very hot (IMHO).

I like the look of the lonely small limp cock with the flat place between cock and asspussy hole, with the look like it was never been there before...
Wish the same will be done on me (my balls and scrotum removed)....

[GRH]

A couple posts up-- it is laughable in my mind to even think of a male-identifying cross dresser to want to go the hormone and surgical route as part of some sex fetish. Surgery and hormones are for trans-identifying individuals and are specifically indicated to treat gender dysphoria. This is a distinct identity issue that is wholly separate from getting your bedroom kicks by "forced feminization." If you were a real transexual, you would simply work towards doing what you need to do, not be posting in an internet forum hoping to find someone to help do it for you. Such an attitude is quite frankly insulting to all of brave transexual individuals who have the intestinal fortitude to live authentically.

Re: Castration...Yeah, I'd like to have this done at some point. I'd need to see costs, but from what I understand, this operation only runs a few thousand. And truly, this is the operation that has a lot of physical benefit in terms of adjusting hormone levels in the body. I find that alone to be more appealing than vaginoplasty. As to impacting orgasm and ejaculation-- I can very rarely do either. I actually managed to ejaculate a small amount the other day for the first time in some months. And that is on hormones alone, so any additional impact from removal of the testes would not be disagreeable to me.

[liesjeversteven]

A few thousands, seriously? I just came across this post by accident, but that's ridiculous. Here in Belgium that would probably cost you a few hundreds...

Originally Posted by GRH

A couple posts up-- it is laughable in my mind to even think of a male-identifying cross dresser to want to go the hormone and surgical route as part of some sex fetish. Surgery and hormones are for trans-identifying individuals and are specifically indicated to treat gender dysphoria. This is a distinct identity issue that is wholly separate from getting your bedroom kicks by "forced feminization." If you were a real transexual, you would simply work towards doing what you need to do, not be posting in an internet forum hoping to find someone to help do it for you. Such an attitude is quite frankly insulting to all of brave transexual individuals who have the intestinal fortitude to live authentically.

Re: Castration...Yeah, I'd like to have this done at some point. I'd need to see costs, but from what I understand, this operation only runs a few thousand. And truly, this is the operation that has a lot of physical benefit in terms of adjusting hormone levels in the body. I find that alone to be more appealing than vaginoplasty. As to impacting orgasm and ejaculation-- I can very rarely do either. I actually managed to ejaculate a small amount the other day for the first time in some months. And that is on hormones alone, so any additional impact from removal of the testes would not be disagreeable to me.

[redheadtsclaire]

I agree, I think a tiny little she cock with no accompanying balls is beautiful, so much so I am going to get it done myself.

[angel195730]

Originally Posted by redheadtsclaire

I agree, I think a tiny little she cock with no accompanying balls is beautiful, so much so I am going to get it done myself.

How about some before and after pics.....

[jonnie]

Angel: I agree. Would be great to get before & after pics. Nothing nicer than small breasts, tiny cock and very smooth beneath.

[redheadtsclaire]

Originally Posted by angel195730

How about some before and after pics.....

i am still trying to find a decent surgeon to do the work without it being some kind of back street special as it were.

photos will be posted once the work has been done

[jonnie]

Totally love the look of a tiny cock and an empty sac. If she could have the sac removed and have small breasts then that would be heaven.
Hope someone out there will post some pictures !

[allen stretch]

,'my preference is for a small limp useless penis with large empty sack, which I hope is the catorgory I will fall into when I finally get casrated

[Robyn Jones]

Hi,
I am a pre op transsexual and I am hoping to go through the castration process. I am on hormones and it would be easier to accomplish my feminization process. I am small anyway so clothes would fit better.

Robyn

[redheadtsclaire]

I have been thinking about this and after reading this and some other credible information, well I want to have this done. Can anyone recommend a good surgeon?

[brian621]

Originally Posted by redheadtsclaire

I have been thinking about this and after reading this and some other credible information, well I want to have this done. Can anyone recommend a good surgeon?

Good ideal snip them off. Nothing more sexy than a naked tgirl with a little soft one.

[prepuce]

Can ovaries be transplanted into empty sacks?

[tux]

Originally Posted by prepuce

Can ovaries be transplanted into empty sacks?

The short answer is: NO.

If you could transplant reproductive organs, then males that have lost the balls in an accident, and wanted them back. Had have that done ages ago.

My question: What the hell on earth would the idea of such an operation be?

[franalexes]

Some one is probably thinking that ovaries in a sack would suffice as hormone replacement.
Putting girlie pictures in the upstairs bedroom does not make it a penthouse.

[ila]

Originally Posted by prepuce

Can ovaries be transplanted into empty sacks?

Originally Posted by tux

The short answer is: NO.

If you could transplant reproductive organs, then males that have lost the balls in an accident, and wanted them back. Had have that done ages ago.

My question: What the hell on earth would the idea of such an operation be?

Originally Posted by franalexes

Some one is probably thinking that ovaries in a sack would suffice as hormone replacement.
Putting girlie pictures in the upstairs bedroom does not make it a penthouse.

I, too, have been wondering why anyone would want to transplant ovaries into an empty scrotum. I had hoped that prepuce would tell us the reason for his question. I am not being sarcastic or condescending. I really would like to know the reason for the question.

[jonnie]

Need some help. Only have one ball and wondering best way to get rid of 2nd. Would alcohol castration work best? Goal to totally get rid of empty sack.

[TuFuTu]

Originally Posted by jonnie

Need some help. Only have one ball and wondering best way to get rid of 2nd. Would alcohol castration work best? Goal to totally get rid of empty sack.

Definitely NO! All kinds of do-it-yourself methods are very dangerous. Try to find a qualified doctor.

There is also another forum, where this subject is discussed more detailed: eunuch.org. But the serious people there, will have the same advice for you.

[TimCurry]

I like a good set of balls on my girls. There is just something sweet to have a set of balls hanging just below my chin as I suck. Gives me something else to enjoy

[SbDm59]

As for me I wish to find Master who likes castrated shemales, who wants to turn a CD into castrated Shemale, who want to have his own sex slave Shemale, men's whore. Master, who wish to watch the step by step process of transformation from CD man into TS Shemale with hormones, permanent epilation, face feminisation surgery and surgical castration (balls and scrotum removal). I wish to be transformed that way from Sub CD man into TS Shemale - special kind of woman, woman with real woman appearance, with the grown up real female breast, woman face and woman figure, but with a cock (SRS should be never done). I dream to have my place between my cock and asspussy looks flat and thmoos, like it was never anything there beforehand. Wish the process of my transformation will be documented with movie and pictures...

[slipper]

SbDm59: I eagerly await your transformation!!!

[SbDm59]

Originally Posted by slipper

SbDm59: I eagerly await your transformation!!!

If you able and wish to help me to do that transformation you can have your own castrated shemale.

[paul283]

Originally Posted by Tailia

Is is just me or does anyone else adore well hung girls with EMPTY sacks?

I have to agree Tailia for several reasons, their body becomes more feminine after castration, with lovely curves, they still have a penis, they are now more female than male and I like them done. However can they still cum a little afterwards? I have read that some can still have an orgasm but cannot ejaculate just a little clear fluid, any thoughts