Self Defense

[KittyKaiti]

Originally Posted by aw9725

Yes, that's a .50 cal in the picture. They have those too if you want!

I want a Barrett M82. I heard they aren't that expensive. I saw one for about $9,000. What would be awesome to own is the Tavor TAR21. I love it.

[Rachel]

I feel I must say this to all on the Forum. I did get all bitchy with our new member Pixie and we had some harsh words posted towards each other. I did chat with her in private and I apologized and we kissed and made up. And yes Pixie, fear for your sanity as you get older! lol I'm a cranky, old ,fat bitch sometimes.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Rachel

I'm a cranky, old ,fat bitch sometimes.

Some would say those are more endearing qualities.

[The Conquistador]

Out of all the weapons I have fired, these are my favorites(in no particular order):

Mk.19
M1 Carbine
M2HB
M240B
M1911A1
M1 Garand
M44 Mosin-Nagant
S&W .500

Got to thinking about owning a machine gun in Indiana and couldn't find anything definitive. It looks like it is up to the Feds. My understanding is if you pay the tax--and register with the ATF as a dealer you can have a "Class III" weapon. Does anyone know more about this? As for our own "state" gun laws. They are lenient compared to the rest of the United States:

"To buy a gun in Indiana, you must be over 21 years old and possess a valid state ID or driver's license with a current address. Then, you'll go through a federal background check.

If the check comes back void of felonies and misdemeanor crime convictions and shows the applicant to be mentally stable with no involuntary commitment into the mental health system and no chronic abuse of drugs or alcohol, that person can buy a potentially deadly weapon.

Indiana has no limitations on the sale or possession of military-style semiautomatic assault weapons, no requirement for handgun purchasers to give fingerprints, no license or permit required to buy handguns, and no one-handgun-per-month limit on sales.

Hoosiers aren't required to report any lost or stolen guns to law enforcement, their guns needn't be registered with law enforcement and there's no waiting period on gun sales. The permit is for people who want to carry or use their guns outside their homes, but it's not necessary to possess a permit to purchase a gun. What's more, gun purchasers are not required to go through any training or testing, and gun dealers aren't forced to offer them.

California, by comparison, goes the other way in almost all categories with the toughest gun laws in the nation, earning 79 of 100 points to score first overall on the Brady scorecard."

I looked at my own license and it does mention the "riverboat restriction." That falls under the Indiana Gaming Commission. Riverboat gambling is huge in Indiana (Ohio River and Lake Michigan). It also says my "lifetime license" can be revoked if I do not remain a "proper person." LOL!

"Angry Postman"... I had to go check out some of that stuff on the Internet. Were (are) you in the military?

The following is from "Mythbusters"--is that firepower or what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdxVr...om=PL&index=31

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3TWI...om=PL&index=30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC8jn...om=PL&index=24

[DSL]

Well the guns i have fired were.

colt 45 auto.
ruger mini 14 stainless full auto. awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYHyE...eature=related

S&W 44 magnum,
S&W 357 magnum
03-A3 springfield 30 cal.
12 gauge remington mag. pump
SKS semi auto.
30-30 marlin lever action
12 gauge double barrel

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by aw9725

"Angry Postman"... I had to go check out some of that stuff on the Internet. Were (are) you in the military?

Si senor. I am still serving.

[Tread]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Not every criminal is armed with a gun. Alot more crimes are committed with knives and bludgeoning weapons nowadays.

Got it.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

You misinterpreted what I was trying to convey with the whole "ambush" thing. I was trying to bring the point across that you should always have a back up plan. Locks, while useful, won't stop a determined criminal. All they do is buy you time to ready yourself. There is only so much you can do defensively before you have to go on the offense. Should I go on the offense, I would like to have a weapon that I can easily reach out and touch someone with rather than having to get up close to use a weapon.

Yes I did.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Saying that locks are good enough seems rather shortsighted. Afterall, if locks did such a good job, we would not have to worry about home invasions. Having a weapon at home is like having an insurance policy; It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

I don’t worry about home invasions, but it has nothing to do with the locks. I even don’t worry if the door is wide open when I’m at home. I really rarely heard of violent robbery and real harm to someone in combination even less.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

You could not be more wrong about that. There is a plethora of recorded cases where weapons have saved people from rape, murder, physical abuse within the family home. I will post some later.

I would like to hear some, and I if a threat or action with an improved weapon, pepper spray or the weapon they carry for self defence had done the same success. I don’t see the “need” for weapons that blow elephants away or rifles for home defence.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Why should I feel guilt for having something(whether I want or need it)? That is like asking "You have 2 perfectly good feet. Why do you need a car?"

I don’t know why you should, I even don’t know if you own one.
For me it sounds like an excuse to have a big home defence weapon, cause I don’t see the need. Maybe you can change that with the examples you want to post.
I have a car because I would walk 14 hours or 4 hours a day to get to work, depending where (changes sometimes). I need 1 hour to get one way to the city. And I don’t have to carry things I buy.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

1) Do you place such little value on your life that you would rather not own an efficient weapon with excellent standoff?

I don’t place a little value on my life, but I don’t own or ever touched a real gun, only paintball, airgun and things like this. You don’t have to own a gun if you put a vale on life. Some would even think complete the opposite.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

2) If someone broke into your house, can you tell if they were a rapist, serial killer, robber etc.?

I can’t, but I guess in nearly 90% it is a robber, in 5% its family, house mates or friends, and in 5% it’s a stalker.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

3) Are you sure enough of a criminals intentions that you would trust that he would want to only steal your belongings and nothing more?

For robbers 99%, except they want to rob me for ransom or my organs, but not here and not at my home.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

4) What would you do if a psychotic person broke into your house and started threatening you or your family?

I can’t say, I never was in a similar situation. Depends on the way of psychotic, the awareness, kind of threatening, my possibilities and what’s the best or/and fastest way to get out of it with the smallest harm to my family and me.
But projectile weapons could also hit my family, even a well trained SWAT-team or whatever can’t do this without risk, for my family, at close gun combat.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

5) Do you live in Europe?

My irrational paranoia.
From statements I have given in this forum and other info here it is supposable that I have something to do with Europe.

A burglar broke into a house one night. He shined his flashlight around, looking for valuables, and when he picked up a CD player to place in his pack, a strange, disembodied voice echoed from the dark saying, "Jesus is watching you."

He nearly jumped out of his skin, clicked his flashlight out, and froze. When he heard nothing more after a bit, he shook his head, then clicked the light on and began searching for more valuables. Just as he pulled the stereo out so he could disconnect the wires, clear as a bell he heard again, "Jesus is watching you."

Freaked out, he shone his light around frantically, looking for the source of the voice. Finally, in the corner of the room, his flashlight beam came to rest on a parrot. "Did you say that?", he asked the parrot.

"Yep," the parrot confessed, then squawked, "I'm just trying to warn you."

The burglar relaxed. "Warn me, huh? Who in the world are you?"

"Moses," replied the bird.

"Moses?" the burglar laughed. "What kind of people would name a bird Moses?"

"The kind of people that would name their Rottweiler Jesus."

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Tread

I don’t see the “need” for weapons that blow elephants away or rifles for home defence.

Most people use medium to low power cartridges for sporting and self defense(Generally .30 cal/7.62 ranges are usually medium power and anything below that is low power.) Unless you own a rifle chambered for .375 H&H, .416 Rigby, 4 bore or 2 bore or a punt gun, your rifle, shotgun or hand gun is not going to stop an elephant. Rifles like the AR-15 can be tailored to the operators needs and fire cartridges that have a good compromise between stopping power and recoil. That is why they are seeing an increased use in home defense.

Originally Posted by Tread

I don’t know why you should, I even don’t know if you own one.
For me it sounds like an excuse to have a big home defence weapon, cause I don’t see the need. Maybe you can change that with the examples you want to post.
I have a car because I would walk 14 hours or 4 hours a day to get to work, depending where (changes sometimes). I need 1 hour to get one way to the city. And I don’t have to carry things I buy.

I own an M44 Mosin-Nagant and I primarily use it for target shooting and other recreational purposes, however it is also used as my home defense weapon. I don't have it just as an excuse for anything; I have it because it has a variety of uses; home defense being one of them.

You have a car because it is more efficient in terms of time, distance and practical uses, correct? I own a rifle because it is more efficient compared to OC spray and tasers because of the standoff distance which doesn't require me to get in within arms distance of an assailant to use it.

Originally Posted by Tread

I don’t own or ever touched a real gun, only paintball, airgun and things like this.

I behoove you to at least go to a range and shoot for a day. That way you can develop an accurate opinion of firearms.

Originally Posted by Tread

I can’t, but I guess in nearly 90% it is a robber, in 5% its family, house mates or friends, and in 5% it’s a stalker.

For robbers 99%, except they want to rob me for ransom or my organs, but not here and not at my home.

Unless you know why someone is in your house, it is always better be on the cautious side. Especially if said person has forcefully uninvited themselves into your house.

Originally Posted by Tread

But projectile weapons could also hit my family, even a well trained SWAT-team or whatever can’t do this without risk, for my family, at close gun combat.

There is something that a wise man named Col. Jeff Cooper wrote called:

The 4 Rules of Firearms Safety

1) The gun is always loaded. (Even if you have just unloaded it, you still treat it as if it was loaded)

2) Never point the gun at something you are not willing to destroy.

3) Keep your finger off of the trigger until you are ready to shoot.

4) Be sure of your target and what is beyond or around it.

Mr. Tread. Alot of these risks can be mitigated with common sense rules like this. Training is key when handling firearms. Should you become proficient in handling a firearm, you will not have to worry about accidently hitting your family as things like this will make you more aware of what you are doing and how you are doing it.

SWAT teams are usually called in for a barricaded hostage situation, not home invasions.

[DSL]

Has anyone fired this thing yet? whats your thoughts how was the kick?
massive or just a little kick. me i wouldn't want to fire that thing in the
first place for one thing i think its outlawed in the state of Massachusetts
the handgun is the

Smith & Wesson Model 500 .50-Cal. Magnum Is The King Of Handguns
worlds most powerfull handgun.
the bullet would probably go right threw the gun range sand and tire backstop.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by DSL

Has anyone fired this thing yet? whats your thoughts how was the kick?
massive or just a little kick. me i wouldn't want to fire that thing in the
first place for one thing i think its outlawed in the state of Massachusetts
the handgun is the

Smith & Wesson Model 500 .50-Cal. Magnum Is The King Of Handguns
worlds most powerfull handgun.
the bullet would probably go right threw the gun range sand and tire backstop.

Yes I have. It has MASSIVE recoil and I was firing downloaded rounds. Even with the slightly less power, after 3 shots my wrist started hurting. It definetly fits the description of hand cannon! The only thing that I can think of that might have comparable recoil is this:

[NCC-1701]

What worries me when i read this topic, is that how often crimes of an extreme nature seem to happen in america. This is just my thoughts, but surely if guns were illegal, sure you wouldent have one, but neither would the criminals. So crime would decrease. But thats just my 2 cents. Is there any Tgirl from the UK or elsewhere who needs to defend themselves on here? it would be interesting to find out how. as guns and knifes are illegal to carry in this country.

[KittyKaiti]

Originally Posted by NCC-1701

What worries me when i read this topic, is that how often crimes of an extreme nature seem to happen in america. This is just my thoughts, but surely if guns were illegal, sure you wouldent have one, but neither would the criminals. So crime would decrease. But thats just my 2 cents. Is there any Tgirl from the UK or elsewhere who needs to defend themselves on here? it would be interesting to find out how. as guns and knifes are illegal to carry in this country.

The U.S. Supreme Court has overturned many gun bans because of the fact that banning guns does not lower crime. Banning guns remove guns from law abiding citizens. Criminals still find a way to get them. Banning guns would create the same scenario we had when we outlawed alcohol. It will generate crime, crime more vicious and hazardous than we have already.

[Rachel]

One point that seems to be overlooked so far is that a lot of home break ins are committed by druggies

[Rachel]

In this country Mr. Tread someone somewhere used their piece to PREVENT a crime today. And yesterday it happened and will tommorow. These occurances are not reported. Happened to me twice a few years ago. Did I report it? Of course not. More then likely I would have been interrogated and treated like the criminal. This happened 15 years ago when I was younger stronger and more manly lol. In the first instance my wife and I went to a dept store to buy baby clothes for our new son. The store (Sears) had multiple entrances and we were on the far side of the building more around the back. My now ex wife was putting our son into his car seat while I was standing in front of the car smoking a cigarette. While there were cars on either side of mine when we parked, there was now a large van on one side and a pickup truck on the other. Being alert and scanning the scene I see 2 underpriveledged youths come around the corner of the building and immediately point to our running car and pick up their pace confering amongst themselves as they changed direction towards us. My wife still had her fat ass sticking out the door cutting me off from her and my son. I look around... Nobody here but us sheep or so it seemed to the two would be car jackers. As they got closer they were now out of site behind the van. I used this opportunity to draw my Ruger .357 Had it pointing right over the top of the opened car door . Told wife to hurry up. I then see the two pass the back of the van and immediately turn into the space between our car. They stopped short and excitedly when I thumbed that hammer back and they realized we were no easy victims and beat a hasty retreat. Now had I not been armed that day Mr. Tread what do you suppose might have happened to my family?

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by NCC-1701

This is just my thoughts, but surely if guns were illegal, sure you wouldent have one, but neither would the criminals.

Unfortunately, this isn't true. If guns were illegal, only the criminals would have them as they do not follow laws. Only the law abiding citizens would be defensless because of their adherence to the laws that have been set forth.

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by NCC-1701

What worries me when i read this topic, is that how often crimes of an extreme nature seem to happen in america. This is just my thoughts, but surely if guns were illegal, sure you wouldent have one, but neither would the criminals. So crime would decrease. But thats just my 2 cents.
Is there any Tgirl from the UK or elsewhere who needs to defend themselves on here? it would be interesting to find out how. as guns and knifes are illegal to carry in this country.

I'm in the UK.
There is a huge volume of gun and knife crime.
All guns and all locking knives and all knives over 3" are illegal.
These laws have not reduced the crime. The armed crime has gone up.
The armed criminals don't obey the law. Which makes things very unbalanced.
Police response times are massively variable. Most crimes they don't even come out to.
Trans escorts. In Birmingham there are asian and eastern european gangs targeting gay male escorts and trans escorts
to do gang rape and assault on them.
So what do we need? Besides a miracle?
Guns. Lots of guns. ...
queue Matrix lobby scene...

[DSL]

Well that must have been nasty i will stick with my 357 mag a light to moderate recoil action revolver my weapon does have a kick but doesn't
come close to matching that. i use at the range 38 spc. semi wadcutters.
for target shooting light and plinking loads and also full mettal jacket rounds too for home defense i use 357 shotshells and 911 which ever comes first
my home phone does have a one touch direct 911 dial number but it takes
at least 5 minutes or less before they arrive its those 5 minutes i am worried about.
somebody trying to kick the door in or stuff like that it can happen
it hasn't happend yet but you never know when i do have dead bolt security
locks in my apartment where i live and a auto flood light but someone can forget to lock the entry door.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Yes I have. It has MASSIVE recoil and I was firing downloaded rounds. Even with the slightly less power, after 3 shots my wrist started hurting. It definetly fits the description of hand cannon! The only thing that I can think of that might have comparable recoil is this:

[jimnaseum]

Unlike most people here, I actually used to get robbed quite often when I was whoring in the big city. Most of the time I had my pants down, but a few times bad negroes robbed me up close and personal. One time in particular three young gangstas made their move on me in the stairwell of a large apartment building, in a real bad neighborhood. I was drunk enough to almost throw one of them over the bannister, but the liberal side of me gave up my wallet with the three dollars. The next time three negroes got me cornered in an alley, I negotiated the return of my wallet and credit cards. They got my cash. There were countless times violence could have been a solution, but I figure when you go downtown, sometimes you win, some times you lose.
I have a Colt.38 Detective special, small, and a revolver never jams. I also have a nice expandable Police Baton. I'd like to get a shotgun to complete my home protection package. Peace Out.

Originally Posted by DSL

Smith & Wesson Model 500 .50-Cal. Magnum Is The King Of Handguns
worlds most powerfull handgun.
the bullet would probably go right threw the gun range sand and tire backstop.

The biggest thing I've ever shot is a friend's .44 Magnum with handloaded 300gr rounds. That kicked pretty hard but was fun to shoot! Even in daylight you could see flame come out of the muzzle. The "normal" .44 Remington Magnum load uses a 240 gr bullet. I also shot it with a light "special" load (185 gr I think) and recoil wasn't bad.

I still prefer a 9mm, .40, .38 Special or .380 for defense. Maybe a .357 or .45 if you are experienced and can handle the recoil. My "ex" could handle my Beretta with no problem and she was only like 5'5" 130. Also the bigger the gun--the harder it is to conceal. You know Clint dosen't have to carry that thing around with him all day--he just returns it to the prop department when the scene is over! LOL!

For my home, a 12 ga works well. I have a standard Remington 870 that I got at K-Mart. I have added a pistol grip and a shorter barrel. My AR-15 would most likely go through the walls and kill the neighbors but it looks awesome!

I think a lot of ranges would ban the .50. I know Don's used to only allow up to a .44 factory load. No handloads. Sounds like it would be a "blast" to shoot!

If ever any of you are in Indiana or Michigan look me up.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by aw9725

I think a lot of ranges would ban the .50.

Most ranges that I know of have banned the .50 BMG specifically. However, they still allow wildcat .50 cals. Some guy had 20mm cases necked down to .50!

[The Conquistador]

http://nonannystate.blogspot.com/2009_1 ... 9925460286


The Governator has just signed a law requiring that you now get fingerprinted before you can buy ammo.

Fuck you Arnold and fuck you DPRK(Democratic Peoples Republic of Kalifornia) legislators!


I think it's about high time I GTFO of this god-forsaken state.

[tslust]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

http://nonannystate.blogspot.com/2009_1 ... 9925460286


The Governator has just signed a law requiring that you now get fingerprinted before you can buy ammo.

Fuck you Arnold and fuck you DPRK(Democratic Peoples Republic of Kalifornia) legislators!


I think it's about high time I GTFO of this god-forsaken state.

OMFG I couldn't believe that. That's a bull law if I've ever seen one.