Barack Obama

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

If it takes decades then i guess you are blaming Ronald Reagan fair enought after all he's the father of trickle down

No, I've said several times here who's to blame, but that mental block of yours is quite thick.

Originally Posted by transjen

Same can be said about IRAQ for what trillions of wastes tax dollars and if not for improved med tech the IRAQ war body count would be a lot higher so you excussing W doesn't work yet agian

Not just medical technology, but also properly training and equipping the soldiers. Bush gave the military what they needed unlike some other presidents who ranked worse than Bush in this area.

Originally Posted by transjen

Since W didn't get impeached and he was the most deserving to be impeached lieing to start his IRAQ WAR for starters

There was a commission set up to find out what happened wasn't there? What were the results of that?

Originally Posted by transjen

and stealing an election with help from his shit brother Jeb

Oops, your memory failed you there again. I know you'd like to make the coincidence that the contested state was run by W's brother into a big deal, but he recused himself from the process. And after Bush took office, there were thorough recounts done just to make sure they got it right. You wouldn't happen to know the results of those too would you?

Originally Posted by transjen

Not only sould W have been impeached he should stand trial for war crimes plus the murder of US TROOPS killed in his BS IRAQ WAR

Only in Jen's World. In this world, however, facts matter.

[transjen]

Oh what a bunch of BS the troops were not equiped proper by W at the start of his war it was all over CNN how under equiped the troops were rember the shortage of armor for the Hummers and lack of body armor for the troops my how quickly you Bush nuts forget, Rember chickenshit W went AWOL from the AIR,NATIONAL GUARD when it was him time to serve so tell me how much he cares about the troops, So cut the crap W was no great leader he was a failure for starting the war and not giving a rat's a$$ about the troops the only person W cares about is himself after all his limo was armor plated and he wore a ton of body armor while those fighting and dieing for him had none
Jerseygirl Jen

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

Oh what a bunch of BS the troops were not equiped proper by W at the start of his war it was all over CNN how under equiped the troops were rember the shortage of armor for the Hummers and lack of body armor for the troops

I never said they were perfectly equipped. They were equipped well enough to get the job done though. And well enough not to be ranked the worst president since we did not lose anywhere near 58000 troops like in Vietnam.

Originally Posted by transjen

Rember chickensh... off-topic irrelevant stuff deleted

Let me draw your attention back to what you were talking about:

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

There was a commission set up to find out what happened wasn't there? What were the results of that?

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Oops, your memory failed you there again. I know you'd like to make the coincidence that the contested state was run by W's brother into a big deal, but he recused himself from the process. And after Bush took office, there were thorough recounts done just to make sure they got it right. You wouldn't happen to know the results of those too would you?

[transjen]

Yes the recounts showed AL GORE won
Jerseygirl Jen

[suebone]

Boy,JEN you get into this . a lot of this is over my head.
I side more with what you say about this tho.
keep it up. Sue b
(short & sweet)

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

Yes the recounts showed AL GORE won
Jerseygirl Jen

Do you have a link for this earth shattering information?

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Do you have a link for this earth shattering information?

What earth shattring infromation?, Everyone knows W didn't win even the GOP know it but they continue the lie that he won which is total BS Jeb and Harris throw a monkey wrench into the election and the unsupreme court ruled in W's favor dooming us to 8 years of W and it will take about 20 years to fix his messes he left behind and yet you and the GOP continue to claim none of it was W's fault What ever happend to a president who says the buck stops here for 8 years W and the GOP tried to shift blame over to Clinton and even Jimmy Carter when it was W who screwed up everything and yet you try to hold him unaccountable for anything, Face it W was the worst president ever and i dare say he was also the most dispised with an approval under 20% only the die hards like Rush,Ann and you still continue to stand up and defend him, He went AWOL, he was a drug user and alcholic, every business he ran was ran in to the ground and he's a cheat and liar and a weasel
Jerseygirl Jen

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

What earth shattring infromation?, Everyone knows W didn't win even the GOP know it but they continue the lie that he won which is total BS

No, it's only so called common knowledge against you far left-wingers. If it's such widespread information, it should be easy to find a reputable link to verify your claim.

Originally Posted by transjen

Jeb and Harris throw a monkey wrench into the election and the unsupreme court ruled in W's favor dooming us to 8 years of W blah blah blah

Again, Jeb recused himself from the process. Harris was just doing her job. With each recount Bush came out ahead, and people were holding up the election because they wanted to try and determine the "intentions of the voter". What kind of BS is that? Harris and the supreme court were right to put an end to the BS.... as later thorough recounts showed.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

What earth shattring infromation?, Everyone knows W didn't win even the GOP know it but they continue the lie that he won which is total BS Jeb and Harris throw a monkey wrench into the election and the unsupreme court ruled in W's favor dooming us to 8 years of W and it will take about 20 years to fix his messes he left behind and yet you and the GOP continue to claim none of it was W's fault What ever happend to a president who says the buck stops here for 8 years W and the GOP tried to shift blame over to Clinton and even Jimmy Carter when it was W who screwed up everything and yet you try to hold him unaccountable for anything, Face it W was the worst president ever and i dare say he was also the most dispised with an approval under 20% only the die hards like Rush,Ann and you still continue to stand up and defend him, He went AWOL, he was a drug user and alcholic, every business he ran was ran in to the ground and he's a cheat and liar and a weasel
Jerseygirl Jen

Oh, by the way, you forgot to answer this part... again.

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

There was a commission set up to find out what happened wasn't there? What were the results of that?

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by transjen

Yes the recounts showed AL GORE won

Jerseygirl Jen

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Do you have a link for this earth shattering information?

Actually, the recounts showed NO such thing.

In fact, what they DID show, is that Bush's margin of victory was actually LARGER than originally recorded. In the end, his total actually went UP. And that's even going by the recount method that Gore and his team wanted to use. And, yes, I have a link...

George W. Bush would have won a hand count of Florida's disputed ballots if the standard advocated by Al Gore had been used, the first full study of the ballots reveals. Bush would have won by 1,665 votes — more than triple his official 537-vote margin — if every dimple, hanging chad and mark on the ballots had been counted as votes, a USA TODAY/Miami Herald/Knight Ridder study shows.

The study is the first comprehensive review of the 61,195 "undervote" ballots that were at the center of Florida's disputed presidential election.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...loridamain.htm

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by transjen

how under equiped the troops were rember the shortage of armor for the Hummers and lack of body armor for the troops
Jerseygirl Jen

The reason behind the need for armor was:

1) The Active military elements(like the Rangers at Ft. Lewis or 101st Airborne at Ft. Bragg) are supposed to be the ones actually over there kicking ass and whatnot. Reserves are called up in case the Active guys need more people and Nat'l Guard are supposed to take over the active guys position stateside. That never happened and about 75% of the troops over there are Nat'l Guard and the other 25% are Active and Reservists.

2) The pecking order of defense funding goes Active and then Reserves and Guard. The Active guys get all the good shit and the others get the leftovers.

3) The nature of combat changed in a way that was hard to predict. No one ever anticipated that the enemy would start deploying shape charges or a cluster of 155mm Artillery rounds underneath the roads. Humvees were designed as fast insertion troop vehicles, not peace keeping vehicles and weren't designed to hold 700+ pounds of RHA and tempered glass; they were light for a reason. Get in and get out.

4) Mobilizing troops and equipment is a logistical nightmare especially supply. Getting shit over there is especially time-consuming and since most shit is sent by ship, it generally takes 3-6 months to get it into port(provided that the connex that just so happens to have all the body armor and support weapons has not fallen off the ship and ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic; this happens alot more than you'd think) and finally getting it over to the unit that it is supposed to go to(provided that the convoy that these are on have not been hit by an RPG during an ambush).

5) Unit organization: Suppose an Active Duty maintenance company gets sent over to fix vehicles. They don't have enough people so they grab Reservists to fill those slots. The reservists don't have body armor like the Active guys do so should something happen, they're SOL. Now suppose there is a high profile target near them and there are no infantry nearby or available to intercept him. The mission will change and the maintenance are going in. What do you think will happen to a group of people who are sent into the thick of shit that should not be there?



The beginning of the Iraq and Afghanistan war was shitty not because the leaders didn't care; it was because the whole operation had so many variables that could fuck up things up royally that you don't see.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

The beginning of the Iraq and Afghanistan war was shitty not because the leaders didn't care; it was because the whole operation had so many variables that could fuck up things up royally that you don't see.

The beginning of the Afghanistan war was perfect. Russia couldn't make any headway there after 10 years. We went in and took over the country within 2-3 months.

The beginning of the Iraqi war also went very well. The problem there was that we didn't keep up the pressure after we took over Iraq.