Thoughts on UFO's??

[Tread]

Originally Posted by TheSkronkDonkey

We also know that there are organic compounds throughout the cosmos. The chances of life arising just once, on one planet, in one obscure region of the universe, seems, well, remote. But we still don't know. We've created organic compounds in the lab, but we have never seen them begin to self-organize and replicate -- the critical process for life. If and when we discover this, it will be one of the biggest breakthroughs in modern science, and we will then be better equipped to understand how common, or how rare, life in the cosmos really is.

The hypothesis is that early RNA-Molecules are able to reproduce their selves out of existing substances.
The substances are formed out of chemical reactions. If amino acids are heat, like in black smokers, they can form a simple RNA. The simple RNA that can reproduce it self, is the most that can be found.
In combination with self organized reaction rooms, existence proven, they can form cells. The first microorganism with working metabolism.

But you are right, it has never been seen.

Originally Posted by johndowe

FTL travel: I remenber about 25 years ago they were talking about tachions sub atomic particles that traveled beyond the speed of light, also it was proven that electricity can travel faster than the speed of light.

Where it is proven that electricity can travel faster than the speed of light? Electrons and ions have a mass, and can't travel faster then the speed of light.

Tachyon would have a mass below 0, and until now they are only a possibility in math.


Can I ask you a simple question to your story. Why didn't you go close to them, if you see them so often and they didn't seem harmful?

[johndowe]

Hi there.

I am NOT a phycisist, i AM however an electronic technician i specialize in PC's, havent touched a soldering iron i over 20 years, but high very electric charges in the million of electron volt, the electric charge was said to make the electron's mass insignificant compared to it's electric charge and could thus travel faster then light.

About the little grey guys, only saw them 3 times as i stated, and i didn't think to get a camera and take pictures, there was a fence between where i was and where they were, and i wasn't too sure that getting too close to them was such a good idea, any more than they seem to, it's like when you see a skunk, it may not take much interest in you but if you get too close you are likely to get sprayed, they didn't seem to do anything and they also seemed to be a bit passive, but i don't know what would have happend if i got close enough to touch them, they probably would have left but i'm not sure, and what were they doing there? i have no clue, but there had to be a reason, and it seemed that they could go from where they lived and wher "i" lived easily where we can't (as far as i know) so i didn't want to chance it.

JohnDowe.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by johndowe

Hi there.

I am NOT a phycisist, i AM however an electronic technician i specialize in PC's, havent touched a soldering iron i over 20 years, but high very electric charges in the million of electron volt, the electric charge was said to make the electron's mass insignificant compared to it's electric charge and could thus travel faster then light.

You can't use every day experiences to determine what will happen at speeds approaching light. When an electron approaches the speed of light, it's tiny insignificant mass will be multiplied by the Lorenz Factor (referred to as gamma):
gamma = 1/(sqrt(1-v^2/c^2))

where c is the speed of light, and v is velocity.

i.e., if v = 99.999999% of the speed of light, then the electron's mass would be about 7000 times it's normal mass.

if v = the speed of light, then it's mass goes up to infinity. That's a no no.

Originally Posted by johndowe

About the little grey guys, only saw them 3 times...

uh... yeah.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Tread

Tachyon would have a mass below 0, and until now they are only a possibility in math.

Actually, tachyons would have an imaginary mass (imaginary as in the square root of a negative number).

[johndowe]

Hi there.

Immaginary numbers do exist and are used extensively when calculating vectors and (electrical) phase differentials corectly, havent done any such math in years but i still remember it, and in math you use the lower case i, in elctronics i is for intencity ie current, we use lower case j instead.

So maby tachions are as "real" ?

JohnDowe.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by johndowe

Hi there.

Immaginary numbers do exist and are used extensively when calculating vectors and (electrical) phase differentials corectly, havent done any such math in years but i still remember it, and in math you use the lower case i, in elctronics i is for intencity ie current, we use lower case j instead.

So maby tachions are as "real" ?

JohnDowe.

Yes, imaginary numbers exist, but not as values for physical quantities such as mass.

[johndowe]

Hi there.

Why not it would kinda be like vectored mass (vectored to the other side of the big bang and linked to tachions in that universe?).

Because to create so much mater you would need huge ammounts of energy but if you if the big bang created a positive and a negative universe on opposite plains, the energy needed becomes much smaller and sustainable, obviously can't proove it one way or the other, but it would explain a lot.

JohnDowe.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by johndowe

Hi there.

Why not it would kinda be like vectored mass (vectored to the other side of the big bang and linked to tachions in that universe?).

Because to create so much mater you would need huge ammounts of energy but if you if the big bang created a positive and a negative universe on opposite plains, the energy needed becomes much smaller and sustainable, obviously can't proove it one way or the other, but it would explain a lot.

JohnDowe.

The positive energy that particles are made up of are balanced by their gravity field (i.e. negative potential energy)

[johndowe]

Hi there.

Negative potential energy...

Well, like a mass above ground would have positive potential, negative potential energy would be like an under water bubble of air trying to get to the surface or like a negative electrical charge or anti mater type of negative potential energy?

JohnDowe.

[KittyKaiti]

I both believe in extraterrestrial intelligent life and have seen UFOs. In August 2000, me and my sister were looking out the bedroom window of the upstairs of my house. We saw a light in the distance. A plane route used to fly in the same direction, so we thought it was a plane. But then as it came closer we saw it was flying too low and too slowly to be a plane. It flew over the trees and houses across the street and then directly over my house. We ran from the front to the back of the house to watch it come over the other side but it was long gone. It travelled about five miles per hour and was very loud, like a rumbling. It was about 20 feet above the roof of the house. It was an octagon shape with a bright white light on each of the eight corners. This occurred about 10:30 at night. The craft was black. After it had gone, we rushed down the stairs to my mother and asked if she just heard the loud rumbling. She said no. It was loud enough for her to hear, I know that. This ended up giving me suspicions that I had also experienced "missing time", which is a common symptom of UFO encounters. Missing time occurs when a period of time passes without you knowing, maybe because you were unconscious, dazed or hypnotised. I think that the craft's technology gave off an energy that causes such, which is why as it passed over, it was gone before we could see it come over the back. I never looked at the clock after the sighting. I don't know how much time had passed between the initial sighting and us running to the back of the house to see it come over. To my knowledge and sister's knowledge it was only seconds. But because of "missing time", it could have been minutes or even hours.

Whether the craft was alien or a government experiment, I don't know. I do know that I saw something that is not currently used on this planet publically. I do though, believe in the existence of intelligent alien life that is visiting this planet and has been for thousands of years.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

I both believe in extraterrestrial intelligent life and have seen UFOs. In August 2000, me and my sister were looking out the bedroom window of the upstairs of my house. We saw a light in the distance....

Awesome! Did you get pictures? Or did anyone else in your neighborhood get pictures?

[TracyCoxx]

"A teaser?"

"Yeah."

"Er, what is ..."

"A teaser? Teasers are usually rich kids with nothing to do. They
cruise around looking for planets which haven't made interstellar
contact yet and buzz them."

"Buzz them?" Arthur began to feel that Ford was enjoying making life
difficult for him.

"Yeah", said Ford, "they buzz them. They find some isolated spot with
very few people around, then land right by some poor soul whom no
one's ever going to believe and then strut up and down in front of him
wearing silly antennae on their heads and making beep beep noises.
Rather childish really."

[KittyKaiti]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Awesome! Did you get pictures? Or did anyone else in your neighborhood get pictures?

If I had pictures they would have been posted here.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Awesome! Did you get pictures? Or did anyone else in your neighborhood get pictures?

I think that communicating with it via Harold Faltermeyers Axel F song would have been a more appropriate response rather than snapping pics. But that's just me.

[DSL]

Well haven't seen any flying disks or strange objects in the sky yet other then shooting stars ( space junk falling to earth ).
but true they are some life forms out there but not in our reach like about
25,000 to 42,000 light years away in fact our closes galaxy Canis Major Dwarf galaxy may hold some life forms.

WE are not alone!....

[Creedence]

While I believe life may exist in other galaxies I don't believe we experienced a phenomenon like Roswell.

I believe aliens might of been a cover story to keep the Soviet Union off their guard while the US developed new types of aircraft.

I'm not a conspiracy nut either I just think that makes the most sense.

[johndowe]

Hi there.

According to astronomers, there are billions of stars out there, and only this one would have a planet with life on it?

To me it seems almost impossible that we are on the only planet in the universe that can and does have life on it.

There are 3 types of stars, huge ones that are not that bright or warm, there are the small, very bright and very hot ones, both of wich wouldn't be good candidates to support life, but the medium stars, that are medium heat and brightness, like ours, are, even if there are only a few millions of these, some have to have life on them, had life or will have life, because ther is nothing special about this world that would make it much more likely to have life than any other similar planet in a similar solar system, as far as i know anyway.

And also statistically, if something happened once it is likely to happen again and have happened before, of course there is always a first time, and often a last time also.


JohnDowe.

[Tread]

If I see a skunk and there are no signs of defence from it, I would be curious about it, and I would try to get closer. But if I would see something Alien like, 3 times, I would try to know as much as possible about it. I can't belief someone recognize harmless Aliens and has no further interest and walk on as usual.

Calculating with a time point in electricity with inductance and capacitance is not like an imaginary mass. But in math possible.

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Actually, tachyons would have an imaginary mass (imaginary as in the square root of a negative number).

Sorry you are right.

[johndowe]

Originally Posted by Tread

If I see a skunk and there are no signs of defence from it, I would be curious about it, and I would try to get closer. But if I would see something Alien like, 3 times, I would try to know as much as possible about it. I can’t belief someone recognize harmless Aliens and has no further interest and walk on as usual.

Hi there.

Hey, you assume they were aliens, maby they were, maby not, animals have good instincts about things and people and since my dog didn't see them as hostile or a threat and i kinda concured, and i was keeping an eye on them, but if you weren't there you can't say i would have done this and that, you simply weren't there.

Seeing things that are as unusual as these little guys i acted caushiously, in retrospect the only thing i should have done i didn't was to try to communicate with them but i was a bit nervous every time i saw them, and as i said they didn't do anything that could be interpreted as hostile.

JohnDowe.

[Tread]

Originally Posted by johndowe

Hey, you assume they were aliens, maby they were, maby not

I said Alien like, not Alien.
But it's not that far to think of Aliens in a UFO Thread and your description of them:

Originally Posted by johndowe

... i saw 3 little guys that were an almost transparent light grey, about 18" tall ...
... they seemed to have brought some other less evolved creatures of ther type with them ...
... the 3 little guys changed their appearrance to look like weeds but light grey in color ...

Originally Posted by johndowe

Hey, you assume they were aliens, maby they were, maby not, animals have good instincts about things and people and since my dog didn't see them as hostile or a threat and i kinda concured, and i was keeping an eye on them, but if you weren't there you can't say i would have done this and that, you simply weren't there.

Seeing things that are as unusual as these little guys i acted caushiously, in retrospect the only thing i should have done i didn't was to try to communicate with them but i was a bit nervous every time i saw them, and as i said they didn't do anything that could be interpreted as hostile.

I can tell you about the "good instincts" about two neighbours and their dogs. One is happy to see any human, burglar, postman, visitors and so on. The other neighbour dog is afraid of everything that is not permanently there (except for its pride), cars, cats, birds, postman, people that walk closer than 50m (165feet), I guess even leafs.
I give nothing to dog instinct.

I'm sure that I would have done this, at the place I live and there is no sign of danger, especially in a "VERY QUIET" place.

You were acting caushiously, don't went close enough to identify them, but through a snowball near them?

I can't belief this story.

[Jenae LaTorque]

Ach, sounds to me like an encounter with "the little people." It is best not mess with them. They have some rather advanced weapons to go along with their cloaking "camoflage" equipment. You might end up like Rip Van Winkle and be out of it for a hundred years.

[johndowe]

Hi there.

Hey Jenae, everything's a big joke to you, isn't it?


And Tread, my dog had good instincts about those things.

JohnDowe.