Serious Question for Transwomen

[tgsexual]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

I will for ever challenge the view that genitals are necessarily signifying gender. When trans*women choose to go through SRS it's probably based on an adopted societal modus operandum that a penis sits on a man, a vagina in a woman and all that jazz. It may be a strong and personal feeling, but it's none the less based on a rather traditional view on sexual organs.

Could they ever truly realize that gender identity happens between the ears and not between the thighs, many regrets would be avoided.

But we live in a prude mentality society that continuously mistakes sexual attributes with gender identification, and as long as transsexuals buy into that false perception they will keep mutilating themselves. Some may feel happy and liberated, others may regret it...

H

That makes me wonder H,

If transwomen were born into a society that quite easily accepted people living with whatever degree of femininity or masuclinity they wanted, or adopt to any number of categories that were considered fine and dandy amongst their brethren, would they still feel the need to make changes to their body that simulate the female status?

Or to go more extreme, if a transwoman was born amongst a colony of only transwomen people, and knew nothing of females, would they feel a desire to reassign their genitals? It's hard to imagine so.

Then again, if one grew up without a penis, and lived amongst women only, having never seen a penis, could they still desire to suck a cock? Perhaps all desires have their origins in our social circumstance.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by tgsexual

That makes me wonder H,

If transwomen were born into a society that quite easily accepted people living with whatever degree of femininity or masuclinity they wanted, or adopt to any number of categories that were considered fine and dandy amongst their brethren, would they still feel the need to make changes to their body that simulate the female status?

Or to go more extreme, if a transwoman was born amongst a colony of only transwomen people, and knew nothing of females, would they feel a desire to reassign their genitals? It's hard to imagine so.

Then again, if one grew up without a penis, and lived amongst women only, having never seen a penis, could they still desire to suck a cock? Perhaps all desires have their origins in our social circumstance.

To me it's kinda simple... ppl keep mistaking genitals for gender... trans*ppl as well as others. Based on my PERSONAL experience (mind you, I'm NOT a scientific researcher - I only react empirically to what my friends and lovers tell me), very few trans*women truly want to cut anything off. Some do, and all best wishes to those who do... but they are hardly representative of trans*women on a broader scale.

Society is to blame for many things. Certainly a lack of true democratic openmindedness that seems to be so hard for any one to accept.

And in that lack of understanding, our democratic law makers keep missing the point. Based on stupidity and a little bit of hatred too, I'm sure.

Taboo rules the world!

Trannies are freaks, ain't they? Pathetic and confused souls with a screwed up mind! Ain't they? The kind of non-ppl we all laugh about and shake our better-witted heads over because we have obviously from the very beginning understood that their gender issues are just hillarious and so totally "elephant-man..." So at least, if they take them selves seriously, then the least they could do is to mutilate them selves. We'll still smile, but at least - after they are severely mutilated - we MAY grant them their ridiculous wishes... the poor, confused souls... who cares? They don't matter a bit any ways... do they?

I get your point, tgsexual, but I still get so sad when this issue comes up, bcuz it is so unreasonable.

H

[alanamead]

From the perception of somebody who's know since they were 5 that they were female (one of the earliest things I can clearly remember in my life), I don't think any single one of these factors stands out. They all affect my thinking about SRS and I'm not in the "I hate my penis" camp - I just want it turned inside out!