Terror in my country :(

I would like to inform you that there is a terror called PKK in my country, TURKIYE, at the east side of my country, there is a war, really war. i don't know how many of you are knowing this ? this Terrorists called them PKK and this is a Kurdish people based organization. They are killing people about 20 and more years. In turkey there is no difference about people who is TURKIYE citizen if Turkish, Kurdish or.... etc. who is Turkiye citizen, you have same rights with all people. Some Kurdish people who has benefits from this wants to divide our country and some powers which we don't know support this Terror organization.They are cheating young and innocent people and they train and send them to the mounts and let them live like an animal and let them kill people who are living there and war with Turkiye Forces. But every day people is killing. Kurdish and Turkish people is living together for a long years. In Iraq our army forces will have an operation in these days. i hope that will be the end of that terrorist organization and all of us will be happy and live a good life. But This is not the whole story about PKK Terrorism.i just wanted to inform , please support Turkiye and inform that there is a really people (women, men, girl, boy,baby) slaughtered although our army forces are there.



NOTE : And if you will read the History you will see the truths about which they called Armenian genocide, this is completely ridiculous. There is real genocides in history and they should talk about these real things.

[tux]

I do not adorse or like violence at all... Dont get me wrong on this. (please).

Anyway..
For me, pkk are not terrorists, they are fighting a fight, wich for them are a freedom-fight.. That is bad in it self, because people eventually die horribly..
For them it is fighting for the survival of their culture and so on... etc. etc..

For a normal turkish man, woman or child, they could easily be looked at, as a terror-organisation (christ it is a popular word these days..)..
Why?? Because people on the other side of the struggle, are likely to be considered terrorists..

I look at this on a different angle... My angle says that both sides of this loong conflict, are fighting for power.. Yes.. The core of this conflict, have allways been the question of who are the ones, that can or can not tell others to do or not to do...

Look at it this way... Will U consider braveheart to be a freedomfighter or a terrorist?? Well.. If it was today, that he lived, then he would for shure (pardon my bad english), be considered a terrorist..

All that said... PKK is only fighting on the same terms and wishes, that schotland and ireland were fighting years and years ago..
The only difference today, are the way that people are dying...

Please look for "Henry Rollins 'Ember of Rage' " on You tube...
He is sooooo right on war... The reason for war, are allways bad..

Keep in mind, that if U don't stop this war, then U will give the war to your children. And the only thing that U can say, when they ask U, are that u did not stop the war for them...


Now... Sorry if I offended U.. I just want people to stop fighting...

Yes my friend, People shouldn't be fight and war with eachother. But you say PKK is not a terrorist organization they want their freedom.
I want to ask you " how much do you know this organization ? aren't they free ? Is Turkey genocide Kurdish People ? "
NO!!

If you know Turkey, you will see. Kurdish people or Turkish People. if i have a rights for something. they have too. they have a paper which says you are a Turkish republic citizen, you can do everything you want as an economic or family way. I have Kurdish people in my family and they are very good and nice people.

But there is some secret powers that we don't know in this situation as an economic power and money.

Our Army can finish this problem easily,i think.We have a powerful army.But they don't or didn't want. Our Army take money from government for this problem, extra. When an Army officer goes to that area to fight they earn twice (x2 salary)so they didn't want to finish i think.

And there is a Petrol on that area but they don't let us.Some secret powers don't stop this. Some secret powers give support to them. some secret power train that people which you can see on their munitions and guns.

Innocent people are dying and cheating. PKK the Terrorist Organization is cheating young people and they let them to die on the mounts and let them live as an animal in the caves to fight and war. On the head of PKK, they live as a king and spend money. their stupid fighters are on the mounts and live like an animal. Thats foolish. I don't know why they don't see it.

If Turkey give that area to PKK the Terrorist Organization, that will be not good in the world arena as a power and honour.And that area is our we don't have to give. we have a good and ostentation history in the world as an Ottoman empire and Turkish Republic and every Turkish people is a patriot in themselves.

Why we war ? why people war ? why people don't live in peace ?

Make love !!! Don't WAR !!!

[tux]

I am quite well known in world history.
Though I am from scandinavia, my knowledge of history is quite broad.
I know stuff, like; If it wasn't for the arabian culture, then we in europe would still be happily unaware of greak history, and the idea of democracy.

I am not religeous, i hate all religeons, and i am so happy not to have any god or god's... That way, I can see stuff more clearly... But, it was not religion that i wanted to discuss...

Now..
The kurds.. What about them??
Now.. I know that PKK was a political party, that wanted to have a free kurdistan. Yeahh.. I know.. The kurds, wich are spread throughout 3 different countries, close to and over 3 boarders. Iraq, turkie, and Iran.
The kurds have their own culture, and are the largest group of humans, without any country.. If we look away from gypsie's worldswide.

The reason for this fight (freedomfighters seen from one side, and terrorists seen from the other side), are in it's purest form, the right for a country.
Nothing more nothing less.

Now...
There are allways two sides to one truth.. Right?..
Yes.. They kill.. So does the soldiers.

My point is..
Why not stop fighting.. Why not forgive??
Now we can't have that can we?? The human being are depended for hating in some more or less widespread idea or something..
It is true!! If we hate the others, then we have the right culture don't we??

Now...
I don't adorse PKK's use of violence, and i don't adorse the army's use of violence.. The only point that i wanted to make clear, is that someone is not allways terrorists, and if people would see the other side's views, then war would be a thing of history.

Still... We can't have that can we?? Humans want to kill and hate... Or will we??

[shemalelolatoronto]

what a right replay for this turkish, my mom is Kurdish from Turkey and I am so glad to be a Turkish Kurdish and fuck all over the world who I want to ( I meant intercourse ) Tslover needs to read more books or go to leave in some kurdish areas and see their pain and war between each other for food , fabric and a decent life

Originally Posted by tux

I do not adorse or like violence at all... Dont get me wrong on this. (please).

Anyway..
For me, pkk are not terrorists, they are fighting a fight, wich for them are a freedom-fight.. That is bad in it self, because people eventually die horribly..
For them it is fighting for the survival of their culture and so on... etc. etc..

For a normal turkish man, woman or child, they could easily be looked at, as a terror-organisation (christ it is a popular word these days..)..
Why?? Because people on the other side of the struggle, are likely to be considered terrorists..

I look at this on a different angle... My angle says that both sides of this loong conflict, are fighting for power.. Yes.. The core of this conflict, have allways been the question of who are the ones, that can or can not tell others to do or not to do...

Look at it this way... Will U consider braveheart to be a freedomfighter or a terrorist?? Well.. If it was today, that he lived, then he would for shure (pardon my bad english), be considered a terrorist..

All that said... PKK is only fighting on the same terms and wishes, that schotland and ireland were fighting years and years ago..
The only difference today, are the way that people are dying...

Please look for "Henry Rollins 'Ember of Rage' " on You tube...
He is sooooo right on war... The reason for war, are allways bad..

Keep in mind, that if U don't stop this war, then U will give the war to your children. And the only thing that U can say, when they ask U, are that u did not stop the war for them...


Now... Sorry if I offended U.. I just want people to stop fighting...

[prague]

Oh, the paradoxical quesiton of "terrorist" and "terrorism". How does one define a terrorist? When should a act of violence be considered terrorism? Hmm, the question aren't easily answered; however, just remember: "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

[itbewayne]

Terrorism, in the modern sense, is violence, the threat of violence, or other harmful acts committed for political or ideological goals.

Most definitions of terrorism include only those acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians).

"There is the famous statement: 'One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.' But that is grossly misleading. It assesses the validity of the cause when terrorism is an act. One can have a perfectly beautiful cause and yet if one commits terrorist acts, it is terrorism regardless

[2WayStreet]

Make LOVE not WAR

[Nikki]

Originally Posted by 2WayStreet

Make LOVE not WAR

exactly...........

Originally Posted by itbewayne

There is the famous statement: 'One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.' But that is grossly misleading. It assesses the validity of the cause when terrorism is an act. One can have a perfectly beautiful cause and yet if one commits terrorist acts, it is terrorism regardless

True, true.
The Kurdistan Workers want a free Kurdistan...well, fuck them. If they keep causing trouble, Turkey might very well be provoked into a full invasion of Iraqi Kurdistan. I'm talking massive regional destabilization. Iraqi Kurdistan is the most secure area of Iraq, and the last thing it needs is total war between the PKK and the Turkish Armed Forces.

What is Kurdistan ? What is that, my friend ? Is there a place called Kurdistan in the world ?

Someone's terrorist is someone's freedom fighter, it is true.
But if u want something that is not belong to u, the other side will prevent this. And if you don't understand that is not belong to u again, the other side have rights everything to protect its belongings.

[sesame]

Originally Posted by Tux

For me, pkk are not terrorists, they are fighting a fight, wich for them are a freedom-fight.. That is bad in it self, because people eventually die horribly..
For them it is fighting for the survival of their culture and so on... etc. etc..

Terror is not a tool for sane people. Its a weapon cherished by bottom feeding shitheads and Cowards.

If a man of honour is annoyed by someone, he should strike that particular someone. But a coward who really sucks at fighting and actually shits his pants to face the enemy upfront, will kill any innocent unarmed child, totally unrelated to the target. And perhaps flaunt and prance around bragging about his sickening deed!

Terrorists are specks of mud on the face of the earth. They have no purpose, no honour, no heart. They are just greedy, thoughtless machines of destruction, toys in the hands of corrupted politicians.

May God rid the beautiful planet from them, for good. Amen.

[johndowe]

Originally Posted by prague

Oh, the paradoxical quesiton of "terrorist" and "terrorism". How does one define a terrorist? When should a act of violence be considered terrorism? Hmm, the question aren't easily answered; however, just remember: "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

Hi there.

A terrorist is a terrorist, the expression "freedom fighter" was created by them for them to justify their COLD BLOODED MURDERS, and if they cared about their people, they would take their fight to the streets protesting, doing petitions, using every diplomatic tool in the book, but not MURDER, saying you are a "freedom fighter" doesn't make it so, any more than if i say i am the king of the world, diplomacy takes years to come through with positive results, while over the last 2000 years terrorism hasn't accomplished a damned thing other than MURDERING and MAIMING inocent people both neutral, friend and foe, VIOLENCE is never a good solution to any problem, all it achieves it to cause more violence and hate.

AND to me terrorist are the lowest most disgusting sub human beeings in the universe, if anybody would deserve to be exterminated it would be them.

Also, when they MURDER all those people they get people to side with their enemys, so terrorism is self-defeatist, the more you "PLAY" the more you lose, you lose your freinds, your family, the people you MURDER, your cause and most importantly you lose yourself to the hate and violence.

GOOD JOB, RETARDS!

There are always alternatives to violence, aspecially terrorist type violence, if you protest and your people get killed, you get public sympathy for your movement instead of losing that person to a suicide bombing and LOSING public sympathy.

There are a lot of ways to get your point across today, terrorism isn't one of them, there are news agencies, like newspapers, tv news, the internet, word of mouth, marches, petissions, business strikes; refusal to work etc. one person can be repremended, 10 also but 100, or 1000, harder to do.

If you are under an oppressive, dictatorship, the only violent action that i and many would find acceptable would be to kill the dictator and his top aides and no more, you "take care" of the problem, and you don't MURDER the inocent victims of his reign of violence along a few of his men that are usually in it to save themselves and to make a living.

JohnDowe.

[ila]

Originally Posted by johndowe

Hi there.

A terrorist is a terrorist,......

That was pretty blunt and to the point, John. You have some very good points.

[johndowe]

Originally Posted by ila

That was pretty blunt and to the point, John. You have some very good points.

Hi there.

Sometimes blunt is the only way to get your point across on topics like this one, and sometimes it's not enough you'd have to slap them around to make them understand. (what pain the terrorost inflict, not only physical but more isnidiously, psychological)


JohnDowe.