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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
This is something people need. And if sacrifices must be made to give the people something as vital as that, then why not? This is not insidious. It is a matter of compassion for the fellow man.
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What if the fellow man smokes and eats donuts for breakfast, a #6 supersized at McDonalds, snacks on candy in the afternoon, has fried chicken for dinner and rounds it off with ice cream every evening? Do my taxes pay for his triple heart bypass surgery?
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Tracy, you were born, fed and bred in a country that has no sense of community. No sense of solidarity. It is every man for himself. The cowboy is a national symbol! But no one can live by oneself.
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Who are you to say that no one can live by their self? It's not your cup of tea, but it might be someone else's.
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
I do not know your background Tracy. But I cannot help thinking that you were well taken care of when you were younger. That your parents had the means for ___ (whatever means those were for whatever you needed).
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My family was lower middle class. My parents didn't go to college. I worked through college and paid half my expenses for my bachelors and paid all my expenses for my masters. When I graduated I had no loans. The fact that I worked to pay for college was looked at by my employer as positive and showed that I had initiative. It also was looked at as valuable experience for the job. I now have 2 masters degrees and am in the upper middle class and support a family of 5 with my salary. I didn't have quite as far as those in poverty to pull my self up by my bootstraps but I did, and in doing so it made me more capable and I had to improve myself.
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Often when I hear opposition to such things as a system where all are given healthcare or supplying higher education, it does not seem to truly be about financial concerns, but about disregard for anyone other than oneself. Is this the case with you? Or could I rest easy knowing it is not so?
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If you think we do not care for anyone other than ourselves, look
here. And that's just government contributions. American individuals donated $226 billion in charities last year. It would take 3 Frenchmen, or 7 Germans, or 14 Italians to equal the charitable donations of 1 American.
But the fact is we are facing collapse of the US dollar. When the US government spends $trillions on stimulus packages, that's not our money. That's other countries money like China, and we do it without considering their reaction. Isn't that a bit arrogant? Then on top of that we add the national health care program. There's another $trillion... surely the Chinese won't mind another trillion. How long can this last?