my thoughts on tgirls and being gay
 

I see a lot of guys around here worrying about being gay. First, I think it's silly because why would you care if you were? Second, I think it's silly because I have tons of friends who are gay, and I'm not really attracted to them, and most of them aren't that attracted to me. So being attracted to a tgirl definitely doesn't make you gay. In the past couple weeks, the guys who have tried to pick me up have been a regular looking young black guy, a big white guy who looked like he should be in the UFC, a couple average middle-aged guys, a kinda emo guy, some stoner with a camo hat and a beard, a really well-dressed black guy in his 40s, and a gray-haired psychology professor. These guys all seemed straight. There's only been one gay acting guy hitting on me the past 3 times I went out, and he was just drunk and horny.

But the thing is, the clubs I go to would generally be considered gay clubs, and probably half the people there are gay, but most of the people who are interested in me seem straight. And those are the people I'm attracted to, too, even though I'm not really hooking up with them.

So I don't know if you want to consider yourself gay or not, but don't worry that you're going to turn into some prissy queen just because you like tgirls. That's not the way it works.

I really like the videos on tsseduction. I was watching this newer one with Yasmin Lee and a guy named Tristan. I think Yasmin is really cute and it's really cool seeing a girl-next-door instead of a big porn star, so I totally thought I'd be into the video. But this Tristan guy is totally gay acting. I don't know what it is. He doesn't have some super gay lisp. But the guy acts gay. And watching a girl with a gay guy is totally weird. I wanna watch tgirls with straight guys.

I was just watching that video and it made me think of all this so I just thought I'd give my opinion on it if anybody cares.

Yes, of course someone cares. :)
We care that we can express our thoughts in a safe environment.
Bionca tries as I sometimes try to educate those non-transitioned about why we transition. Sometimes I think transitioning itself is easier. It is hard to tell the difference bewteen those that hit on me for the right reasons, from those that hit on me for the wrong reason. I don't think I have ever been hit on by a gay guy. I have been approached by some very hot looking lesbiens.
So guys, lighten up. You are not gay. Some of you like us because we look like the girls we are. That's o-kay. ( you are not gay.) Some like us because of our difference. You are curious. That's o-kay. ( You are not gay.) Some like us because they think because of our difference we are some wild sex machine of the century. ( personally I find quite the opposite is true.) Those guys are sex obsessed. Not a healthy outlook on sexual relations and not someone I want to meet my parents either. These peopls may not be physical freaks but they are mental freaks.
I am not a freak. I'm a nice person. Those that can discover that in me is the type I want to meet.

Racquel, one sister to another. :kiss:

A Point From The Other Side Of A Short Eye-catching Skirt
 

From a so-called straight guy!!

If you feel family, friends and co-workers would react to your t-girl interest in an unpleasant way, keep your interest to yourself.

If you meet a t-girl you're attracted to, date her and more. Me: If I got serious w/ a t-girl, I would be open about our relationship, regardless of what others thought. But that's me.

You can go as far as you want, but you're not gay. If you're turned on to bio-women and trans-women, you are the degree of bi that you go.

Whether you go all the way w/ an attractive t-girl--some of whom are forum members--you've got to accept who you are, or live w/ doubt, guilt and regret. Regret if you turn down a chance for love or pleasure or both.

Plus, like Rocky who wants straight guys, you can want to date passable t-girls, like Rocky.

Yeah. I get hit on a lot, but most of them make it very obvious very quickly that they aren't really interested in anything but sex. A lot of them are married and wouldn't want to be seen in public (or probably even in daylight) with me. I feel bad that I've become so cynical about it, because there have been a few really nice guys who have tried to talk to me lately and I couldn't even take them seriously.



Speak for yourself! I'm definitely the wild sex machine of the century! Although it's been about a century since I had sex ... so maybe my crown has been revoked.

:respect:I had it when it counted.;)

In response to Racquel postings, Face it some 'straight' men,married or otherwise, are victims of their upbringing. To say a man would not be seen in daylight with a shemale, they have to alter their ways of thinking about all people in general.
My viewpoints have definitely changed. Not that I would have ever condemmed anyones lifestyle, but I would be delighted to have a dinner or drink with in public with a shemale as a friend or aquaintance. As a possible affair? Sorry, but it's out of town. But not because of being with a shemale, it would be with any woman. Racquel, take heed to Frans words, she's got the world by the balls.

transitioning
 

These discussions about transitioning are very helpful. It is easy to view transsexuals (shemales) as simply hot sex objects to have quick sex with. Being reminded that you are lovely good nice people helps transcend the raw lust evoked by the images on this forum.:respect:
Don't get me wrong, I like raw lust but I would also like to know and understand real transexual women. I presume most of the shemales displayed on this site are prostitutes. That's OK, its a way of making a living, if she can put up with the morons that are nothing more than a cock with two legs.:frown:
hugs for all of you.:hug:

Bravo!! Well said. If I may add, if your worried about it, perhaps your not sexually secure.

I think one point is that people who are not looking for trouble in their lives will shy away from the gay lifestyle, I'm not even sure there is a "heterosexual guys that like .....transsexuals lifestyle" (??!!) My point being that right or wrong, there definitely is a stigma surrounding non heterosexual activity. This can have the opposite effect and bring transsexuals closer together, too.

I am a rampant cock loving gay homosexual faggot straight guy!!:turnon:

the fact that ur afraid of being gay
 

now i am a closet gay.. mainly cause the industry i work in, it would be devastating for me to come out..
how ever.. if u think that viewing tranny images u gay. well technically it does.. even tho that ur looking it at a feminine form. there is still a cock attached to it. so u gotta ask urself .. are u attracted to the cock. .look at gay porn and just looked at the dudes cocks and see if it turns u on. if it does then u are gay. there is nothing wrong with being gay honestly.. there are problems with the person coming out of the closet tho depending on their circle of people. . but honesty just embrace it. enjoy it .. like someone said here. life is too short to be hung up on the pettiness of it all. just enjoy it. it makes u happy to view this material then i say go for it..

i think i may have gotten two or three forum posts on here mashed into one.
hehe .. enjoy people .. god damn it. . embrace the cock. and give it a kiss. it will kiss back..

i often wonder what my friends would think if the new about my new preference. i got a lot of flack from revealing i have a foot fetish, and i had to pretend and ignore when my friend went on the internet using my computer and saw a recent search request for latina shemales. it never came up but i'm certain he saw it because we didn't hang out for a couple of weeks after that happened. but i know that in liking transexuals, the only difference is one thing. everybody likes having sex and shouldn't be judged in the way they like to have it

guys who are true lovers of tgirls i dont believe question wether they are gay or not because they understand that they are not wanting to be with a guy. and why should they question it cuz a tgirl is still a girl ......

Does this picture of Jeff Stryker make you feel funny inside?

No, unless you count jealous.

More -mostly US- prehistoric sexual morale and the entirely wrong idea that in sexuality it's either black or white. Wake up, there are lots of greys in between.

The first thought to enter my head on seeing that was 'Liquify filter?' (fellow 'shopers will know what I'm on about.. )

Jeff Stryker's cock looked huge long before porn went digital. He's like John Holmes -- his cock is about 10" long semi-erect, but he can't quite get it all the way hard. Now that I think about it, Nefertiti has about the biggest cock I've seen that actually gets really hard.

I don't think Photoshop had the liquify filter till CS2 in 2005, and that picture's been floating around the net a lot longer than that.

ladyboys best
 

i definetaly do not like gay porn, even do not like hardcore because it includes men.

i always watch girl only and ladyboy movies.

also, not all shemale material excites me. only ladyboys and T-girl Mandy :D.

Does liking shemales make you gay?
 

I did not realize this site existed. I have been with 4 shemales and really enjoyed it. It was all oral.

It is odd, I do not think I could do the same with a regular male, though I know technically it is the same. While I love being around shemales, I find gay males bothersome.

So I am a bit confused. While I love giving oral to a shemale, I am not interested in other males at all. I am still interested in females too.

It has caused some conflict for me.

I am not really sure what I am asking here as much as just putting forward a statement.

Thanks

no. i'm straight

Well I am glad to know it is not just me who is conflicted, though a number of you do not appear conflicted but very firm in your beliefs.

I cannot bear mtm porn, but a dude and a shemale turns me on. Why?

This gets asked lots. So much so I have 2 brief answers...

1) Does it matter if it makes you gay? If so, why?

2) It boils down to how you view Trans*women. Are they women who have/had a penis, or are they men with tits?

Bionca
I have run into transvestites in New Orleans. They do not appeal to me. I think I am attracted to the very feminine shemales.

I have no interest in dating a guy. But I am fascinated by ts girls. I have had the fortune to have three encounters - one with two. I immensely enjoyed it.

I have had a fear of going back to it. I don't know why. As I said, I did not have anything but the most positive of experiences.

And while I could never imagine myself unzipping a guys pants and taking him, there is something exciting about that surprise in the panties of a shemale lover.

But I am confused by it.

I feel the same.

i love t-girls but have never been with one yet
i think i will have to see an escort t-girl this year tofulfill my fantasy
i don't think it is gay as i don't fancy men i just like the idea of playing with cock on a girl that's all

To be gay you need an openly recognisable sexual attraction to male characteristics. And I mean the whole nine yards. A gay man won't be attracted to mtf transexuals because of the female characteristics they openly display. A BISEXUAL man may do, because he finds female and male characteristics sexually attractive.
Whether you consider yourself straight or bisexual also can tie in to how much respect you show for trans women as well. If you think of them as women, respecting their sense of gender identity, then you think of yourself as straight. if you think of them as something in-between, then you most likely at least partly see yourself as bisexual, whereas if you see them as men, well, I don't think anyone fits that definition of both being attracted to them and seeing them as men.

I think I fall into the camp that sees them as mostly females, but a bit different on at least one characteristic.

Yea I'm new to this too, I ask myself the same questions. But I'm sure of 1 thing, I'm attracted to feminine characteristics, so I'm not gay... I have never been with a transexual, but I like watching the porn... Well seeing as I would consider transexuals chicks with dicks, and not men, I guess I'm straight.

So Amy has helped me discover myself a bit more....

Very well put Amy ...

IMHO .. your explanation should be posted as a "sticky" .. 'cos as sure as God made little green apples this old "chestnut" will crop up time & again .. :respect:

i am not confused
i am what i am and what i am is me
i dont need a label
i like what i like and he she it doesnt need a label
you dont have to climb into any particular box and i recommend nobody climbs into any box at all
do what you want to who you want if they want it too

and live your one short life to the max

I'm bi-sexual and I adore sucking cock so much and drinking cum but most of all and this might sound silly, one day I want to settle down with a woman. No, I won't get any cock behind her back because I'd never betray whoever I'm with. For some odd reason, when I'm in a relationship, I lose interest with porn because I feel as if that's another way of betrayl unless I know she likes porn. This has happened to me before, one relationship, I wasn't sure if she liked porn and I was afraid to ask and I never went near the stuff until after we broke up. That is why I know I'll stay away from cocks while I'm in a relationship - and other pussies as well.

Sorry to go off topic for a bit but I thought you might be interested in another way how the mind works for some people in a sexual manner.

Gay?
 

It seems to me, that to be gay, you need to be attracted to someone that looks like yourself. Men attracted to men, women attracted to women. If a strait man is attracted to a transexual, its because he perseves her as a women. I doubt that gay men are attracted to transexuals, they want a man.
The fact that transexuals may/not have a penis seems secondary to the perception . This is similar to what Amy said.

I just don't get this "Am I gay" feeling. Personally I try not to live my life as a label. I'm attracted to women and transsexuals and yet I don't see myself as gay, straight or bi, I just like who I like.

Just think how much better the world would be if we cut out all the bullshit.

Ladyboy-Fans also gay?
 

> i get that a lot he likes girls with dicks he must be gay i,m not into men i enjoy the company of women but i like shemales they say thats sick i guess it,s the way u look at it what can u do .:respect:

yeah i an gonna go with hank on this one, i am gonna have to say we are all a little on the bisexual side. lets face it what seperates the ladyboys we love from the biological girls we also like. its simple, the cock
so we have a fascination for cock. thats what it is, we all wish that our daintly girls had throbing members.
i wonder how many of you guys would prefer that your shemals had a pussy too, sort of like the japanese futanari girls? that would be ideal for me, the best of everything, a cock to suck on and an ass AND pussy to fuck. sounds great to me.
i think though that many of us either are not ever going to be interested in men, or just wont admit it. thats part of this as well.
i could fuck a femme boy, sure, as long as i dont meet him in mans clothes all unshaven and man like. its just like fucking a small titted ladyboy.
as long as i can pretend there is some feminintiy there i think i am happy.
like i said i wont be going to the local gay bar and picking up a leather man anytime soon

yea i agree there i am in no way intersted in guys what so ever i think i could pleasure a shemale unless they where so freaking hot and there is some of those out there

I'm not going to explain it to you. Bionca and I have done that before on many a post. But you are so wrong. You like shemales, not for the "male" but for the "she".

Not into guys
 

I love all sorts of ladyboys. I primarily like Asians - they tend to be more petite and feminine in my opinion. I even find "femboys" attractive, but I have absolutely no interest in a man. My first attraction is definitely a cute, girlish face. Body or especially facial hair, overly large frames, and deep voices are turn-offs for me. Despite all of this, I much prefer a very well-endowed ladyboy.

Exactly what I think. I have wondered if looking at shemales makes me gay, but looking at guy on guy does absolutely nothing for me.

dunno bout that. look around and you will usually hear(see) the guys here talking about one certian aspect of the shemale. her cock. there must be a thousand threads on here about it.
if we were interested in the SHE we would be with bio girls. so while we are interested in the she, we are also interested in the male parts as well.
since you dont want to explain it, or shoot me a link to another post where you or bionca do explain it, i cant really give you anymore than this. i dont know what your arguement against cock interest would be(does that make sense)

we like the she shape, but we also like the he organ, like i said its pretty simple, we all want out women with cocks, other wise we would just go get bio girls

Doubt it. If the poster liked shemales not for the male, but for the she (meaning, just for the she), then he could simplify his life immensely by only focusing on cisgirls. There are so many more of them ... at last count, more than half the people on the planet fall into that category. A lot more options. But it doesn't seem to be the case that people who like shemales like them specifically for either the male or the she. They like them for the both-ness.

Of course, I could be wrong. Like the original poster, I'd welcome a link to a thread where your point of view is spelled out in more detail.

As males, we know how how well our cock can produce pleasure. We know how much we enjoy females and their beautiful bodies. We know how good it is to have our cock inserted in a female. We put all of these feelings together when we view a beautiful shemale displaying her lovely cock, our mind tells us that this girl has special sexual attributes well beyond a regular female. All of her is female and all of her is desirable, including her female
cock. Biologically the male penis is analogous to the female clitoris.:inlove::turnon::inlove:

shecock?
 

A further comment.
Suppose a genetic female could get gene therapy on her genitalia that would transform her clitty into a functional penis. I suspect that we (men) would find it equally desirable as a transexual penis. Not only that, if she still had a pussey then she would be a hermaphrodite (futa. girl). How much fun would that be? :drool::p:coupling::turnon::inlove:;):lol:

Yes, you all are the faggiest fags who ever fagged a fag... happy?? Oh wait.. you are trying to save some bit of heterosexuality so that when WE get shit on YOU can stay nice and comfortably wrapped in your hetero-ness.

Here is the deal from my perspective - does it matter if you are? If it does, why? You are aware that most people who know will think you are? As someone who grew up assumed to be gay, who was very openly attracted to men in a male context, the very last thing I want is to be some closet for some guy. Maybe that's my lot in life if as a trans*woman, but I hope it isn't.

exactly
 

Thanks, Bionca. I was just about to write something quite similar. As all of you ponder this question, consider what the world would be like if everyone could just live happily with whatever their attractions (so long as they aren't hurtful in the way child molestation is, for example), and everyone would be fine with the attractions of others. Labels of the sort being discussed in this thread are the type that keep us from ever getting past discrimination, as well as keep us from being able to embrace our true selves.

Answering for myself? No. In my comment above, I was merely responding to a statement that Franalexes made ("You like shemales, not for the 'male' but for the 'she'"), and responding using the terms in which the statement was framed. That was not intended as a validation of those terms. The statement ("You like shemales, not for the 'male' but for the 'she'") seems as reductive, and as much an oversimplification, as if a het person were to take the opposite tack and say: "if you're attracted to a trans person, just accept that you're gay, and get on with life".

The point is that framing it as an either/or proposition is not going to work. The conventional categories themselves do not work. The premise and terms of the discussion itself lack validity.

Again though, I could be wrong, and I would be interested in reading the other posts to which Franalexes alluded.

exactly, again
 

You are absolutely right: framing it as an either/or does not work. I would contend that it should not work; in fact, I don't want it to work, because it leads us right back to labeling, or -- as you put it -- "conventional categories."

No one could rationally deny that there is a point in labels and categorization: it serves to make easier the understanding that all of us seek. But it has such a horrid downside.

What joy there is in coming around to just being who you are without anyone else defining it.

Why Does this Question Piss me off?
 

Well, the answer - either way denies some large portion of my life. If I say "yes" you are gay.. then my identity is a lie and I'm a guy with tits. If I say "no" and assure guys they are totally hetero, then I deny the fact I was perceived as a gay guy, harassed as a gay guy. It belittles an important and formative point in my life. It can also make it seem that I couldn't "cut it" as a gay guy and took the easy way of hetero living.

While asked of the men here, the answer affects me and gals like me - because we can't win. We can't win because no matter how much we all may want something, society will still call you and I "fags". Maybe I have a leg up, since I grew up with that one.

Seems like a lot of us are saying the same thing ... it isn't as simple as yes/no, either/or, etc.

I like the point smc is making ... that it's hard to get through life without using labels and categories ... the act of using language is one of labeling, to a large extent. But often the labels, as much as we try to apply them, fall down ... they just don't "stick". Eventually language and constructs may catch up with what is ... language does evolve. But I'm in agreement with those who aren't holding their breath, or waiting around for it to.

Yes, mostly the general outcome of this question is "it doesn't matter" or that there isn't a neat tidy label to apply. But, it keeps coming up. There must be some reason why this so often asked. I think probably the answer to "why are you asking" may reveal quite a bit of information.