Self Defense

[smc]

There is always that one time where your dome is not enough. I am just prepared for that time when I may need to use both. :)

I assume that by "your" you mean yours, Postman. Because you wouldn't want to presume how powerful mine is, or that of anyone else, right? ;)

[The Conquistador]

I assume that by "your" you mean yours, Postman. Because you wouldn't want to presume how powerful mine is, or that of anyone else, right? ;)

I'm being realistic about it. You can minimize the occurance of a theat by being sensible and staying away from a risky situation/area(i.e. using your noggin), but no matter how much you minimize an occurance, the threat is still present.

Think of it as a spare tire, jack and tire iron for your well being... ;)

[smc]

I'm being realistic about it. You can minimize the occurance of a theat by being sensible and staying away from a risky situation/area(i.e. using your noggin), but no matter how much you minimize an occurance, the threat is still present.

Think of it as a spare tire, jack and tire iron for your well being... ;)

I think you have perceived only part of the point I was making. Yes, I use my brain to minimize threats, make sensible decisions, and stay away from risky situations. You correctly call that "using your noggin." But I also use it as a weapon. I have used the power of persuasion to win what would have otherwise been a fight involving violence on more than one occasion. (I have little doubt that I would have lost had the threatened violence ensued.)

I call the latter "using your wits."

[The Conquistador]

I think you have perceived only part of the point I was making. Yes, I use my brain to minimize threats, make sensible decisions, and stay away from risky situations. You correctly call that "using your noggin." But I also use it as a weapon. I have used the power of persuasion to win what would have otherwise been a fight involving violence on more than one occasion. (I have little doubt that I would have lost had the threatened violence ensued.)

I call the latter "using your wits."

I understand that. It is always advisable to de-escalate a potentially harmful situation without using physical force. I keep my guns and steel as a last resort; I would never use it as a means to defuse a situation where the outcome could have turned out otherwise had someone been talked down. Of course persuasion and reason is the best way to win a fight and being able to talk someone down is preferable to shooting them. However, the situation dictates the level of force and you will know quickly when a firearm or blade will become absolutely necessary. Diplomacy and verbal persuasion is not always effective against your local crackhead/tweaker, espesially if they have themselves a nifty crowbar or knife and are coming straight for you. In that event, I let John Moses Browning or Gaston Glock do the "persuading" for me. Usually, the sound of racking a weapon is sufficient to let someone you know mean business.

I pray to God that I never have to shoot someone in defense of myself and I hope to God that I never have to live with the burden of taking someones life. I am just prepared for a time when I may be confronted with the options of kill or be killed.

[franalexes]

For many years in the course of my job, I carried a .357. I never had to use it. I got rid of it a few years ago. With the advent of a few serious crimes around and a friend expressing some consideration of my present living style; I went out today and re-armed.
I got a good deal on a S&W .44 Russian. I tried it too. First shot set me on my ass. :blush: I learned quickly to stand correctly. I can now hit a soda can at 60 feet. The .357 would break a bone. The .44 is heavier but slower. It removes the bone! Whatever I don't like that's on the outside; is going to stay on the outside.
Am I being too paranoid about carrying heat? Ive been n situations where heat keeps things cool.

[randolph]

For many years in the course of my job, I carried a .357. I never had to use it. I got rid of it a few years ago. With the advent of a few serious crimes around and a friend expressing some consideration of my present living style; I went out today and re-armed.
I got a good deal on a S&W .44 Russian. I tried it too. First shot set me on my ass. :blush: I learned quickly to stand correctly. I can now hit a soda can at 60 feet. The .357 would break a bone. The .44 is heavier but slower. It removes the bone! Whatever I don't like that's on the outside; is going to stay on the outside.
Am I being too paranoid about carrying heat? Ive been n situations where heat keeps things cool.

A few years ago, my wife left the house and pushed the wrong button on the security pad and it sent a security breach message to the Sheriff. In the meantime, I came home and went up to my office. Later I heard something downstairs. I walked out of my office to be faced with two officers pointing their guns directly at me and yelling "freeze". Naturally, I did (almost froze to death, lol). It's a good thing I left my magnum 12 gauge shotgun in the room. :eek:

[katieayanami]

i never go out alone for the most part without an escort.
i get too many people following.

[smc]

i never go out alone for the most part without an escort.
i get too many people following.

That's not difficult to imagine. You'd certainly turn my head! :yes:

[katieayanami]

i know i am not completely passable but i know that alot of guys like the femmeboy thing so that adds to it.

[Trogdor]

i know i am not completely passable but i know that alot of guys like the femmeboy thing so that adds to it.

Or you got the crackpots, upon finding out what you are, might not be happy.
I am always for concealed weapons, since bad guys prefer the would be victim to not be armed, and the cops only show up to clean up the mess after one's body has gone cold.....plus a lot of cops can be just as dangerous as the people they are supposed to protect us from.




And you're pretty passable to me, Katie. :cool:

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Wow, I didn't realise so many of you lived in Somalia and had to brave bandits and paramilitaries that roam the streets slaughtering innocents every night. Not living in a lawless failed state likr you guy, I can't really appreciate the need to be tooled up with dozens of guns, ready to defend against armed thugs which I assume must be beating at your doors every night and ambushing you as you make a dash through the crossfire in the streets. Good luck to you guys, I mean personally I don't feel the need to carry a gun, I just keep my can of lion repellent handy, I mean, a lion could escapes from the zoo at any time and devour me, you have to be prepared right. This is also why I keep my combined meteor strike sheild and lighting conductor with me too, I don't wana be a victim!

[randolph]

Wow, I didn't realise so many of you lived in Somalia and had to brave bandits and paramilitaries that roam the streets slaughtering innocents every night. Not living in a lawless failed state likr you guy, I can't really appreciate the need to be tooled up with dozens of guns, ready to defend against armed thugs which I assume must be beating at your doors every night and ambushing you as you make a dash through the crossfire in the streets. Good luck to you guys, I mean personally I don't feel the need to carry a gun, I just keep my can of lion repellent handy, I mean, a lion could escapes from the zoo at any time and devour me, you have to be prepared right. This is also why I keep my combined meteor strike sheild and lighting conductor with me too, I don't wana be a victim!

It's a good thing you are well armed but you didn't mention trouser snakes. They are quite common you know. ;)

[franalexes]

I figure there are two kinds of T-girls;
those that have been threatened and asaulted;
and those that are going to be.

[Trogdor]

I figure there are two kinds of T-girls;
those that have been threatened and asaulted;
and those that are going to be.

Yep, a few years ago here in Detroit, 2 of them got beat up when they went out on a weekend night, if my memory serves.

[JodieTs]

I figure there are two kinds of T-girls;
those that have been threatened and asaulted;
and those that are going to be.
The sad truth is that one could also accurately say
transsexual females
&
recently transitioned transsexual females,
respectively.

[franalexes]

A few days ago a fellow member (TS) asked me why we are here on a porn website full of perverts? ( Yes, her actual words.)
Not sure why but I want you guys to know that not all aspects of our lives are as glamorous as your fantasies would have you believe.
Jodie, if I didn't use the right words, feel free to add to them.:respect:

[ila]

A few days ago a fellow member (TS) asked me why we are here on a porn website full of perverts? ( Yes, her actual words.)

Help me understand this. Transwomen want to be accepted, but yet if a guy likes transwomen then he is a pervert?

Respect is two way street. Respect the men if you want respect in turn. It is uncalled for to refer to all men as perverts.

Last point; why would someone that refers to men on here as perverts come on here herself?

[franalexes]

Now Ila , I'm sure she wasn't refering to ALL. But sometimes predominant thoughts are caused by a bad experience by a few.
You will have to ask her for an answer to your second question. pm me if you want to explore further.

[franalexes]

Last point; why would someone that refers to men on here as perverts come on here herself?

Maybe she wasn't here searching for you.:no:
Maybe she was searching for me.:yes:;)

[randolph]

Maybe she wasn't here searching for you.:no:
Maybe she was searching for me.:yes:;)

The term "pervert" has many meanings. Current usage usually refers to sexual behavior. Some people would consider anal sex perverted. Some people would consider oral sex perverted. My impression is that no one participating on this forum would consider either of these activities perverted, per se. It's the exploitation of another human being for selfish gratification with no regard for the other person that, to me, is a perversion.

[JodieTs]

Help me understand this. Transwomen want to be accepted, but yet if a guy likes transwomen then he is a pervert?

Respect is two way street. Respect the men if you want respect in turn. It is uncalled for to refer to all men as perverts.

Loopy tranny
It goes like this.
"I can never date a man who knows and accepts I'm a Ts
coz he is a perv only into me coz I have a penis"
"That's why I only date men who have no idea of my past"
"And I only tell them after we go to bed
and after he has found a penis rather than the expected vag"
"One day I hope to have a second date...."

Last point; why would someone that refers to men on here as perverts come on here herself?
Yes Ila it's a very good point.
It's not like you can miss the sites probable nature
given its address: Transladyboy.
The sad thing is that this person used to be a man
but now has tits & six inch heals,
and a ludicrously high-pitched pantomime-dame-type voice,
and a skirt length which maybe ok on a sixteen year old girl,
but not the 55 year old they actually are.
No guesses as to who the general public would see as the pervert!

Oh if anyone is interested, I've found a YouTube video of them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxLBpa7g5fg

[JodieTs]

Help me understand this.
Transwomen good.....men pervert bad?

Well I used to get a kick at the entrance to tranny clubs.
I'd lean over to the cashier and ask
"Does this club have changing facilities
and is there a conveniently placed chair?"
They would look at me confused as I started saying this line, long after I had transitioned.
"But you are a woman, why do you want changing facilities?"
" I love watching men strip off and then dressing up as women,
....it really turns me on" :lol::lol::lol:

I am a very very bad person and must stop saying things like this, just to annoy people. :):):):innocent:

[randolph]

Jodie "I can never date a man who knows and accepts I'm a Ts
coz he is a perv only into me coz I have a penis"

Why would wanting to suck a shecock be perverted when eating pussey is ok? Is it perverted when on a date with a girl, you are thinking about her pussey? If I was dating a TS, I would definitely be thinking about her shecock.

[JodieTs]

Jodie "I can never date a man who knows and accepts I'm a Ts
coz he is a perv only into me coz I have a penis"

Why would wanting to suck a shecock be perverted when eating pussey is ok? Is it perverted when on a date with a girl, you are thinking about her pussey? If I was dating a TS, I would definitely be thinking about her shecock.

I've no idea at all Randolph.
The truth is it's all the same.

You need to be patient and wait for the ts who wrote to Fran, to let us know.
Seems a bit weird for a person to join a site called Transladyboy
and then gripe about the sites nature and people it attracts.

I'm dead curious to know what she makes of me or Fran or Bionca.
Our motivation will be a little different to most of the men here, yes.
But we are still on here posting.

I hope this one runs a bit, sure to be entertaining. ;) :yes:

[aw9725]

Last point; why would someone that refers to men on here as perverts come on here herself?

I didn't realize my "ex" was a member of this forum... :lol: :lol::lol: Sorry couldn't help it! :innocent:

[randolph]

Well I used to get a kick at the entrance to tranny clubs.
I'd lean over to the cashier and ask
"Does this club have changing facilities
and is there a conveniently placed chair?"
They would look at me confused as I started saying this line, long after I had transitioned.
"But you are a woman, why do you want changing facilities?"
" I love watching men strip off and then dressing up as women,
....it really turns me on" :lol::lol::lol:

I am a very very bad person and must stop saying things like this, just to annoy people. :):):):innocent:

Your post just made me remember an experience years ago. I was in a bar in Tucson. A nice girl came over and gave me a lap dance. After a couple of beers I went into the bathroom. Sitting there behind a table covered with all kinds of cosmetics was a nice looking guy. I felt startled and very uncomfortable. I took a leak and left. I guess I was in a tranny bar and didn't know it. :cool:

[shoreleaveoic]

Better to have it and not need it...then not have it and need it.

It always amazes me that despite where you go in the world minority groups have a firm distaste of arms, yet the majority of people always have a monopoly on arms.

In America most guns are owned by white males. Meanwhile groups that probably need arms (from a historical standpoint such as racism, prejudice, institutionalized segregation) always are vehemently against ANYONE owning arms.

Blow the mind away....does anyone read history books?

Look into the history of gun control in America, Germany, Japan, etc....that alone should be proof that everyone should own weapons.

If you want information, an organization called "Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership" has made a video you can buy or find online that documents the real purpose of gun control.

And before someone says "In japan they don't have guns and low crime so it would work in america too, hur dur!" Your forgetting an important cultural factor, East Asiatic peoples have a different culture than Western Peoples. Try this experiment out one day, walk into a bar in the USA, Mexico, or Jamaica. Slap a man sitting at the bar as hard as you can. Then try the same thing in a bar in Japan, China or Korea. In one country the people may yell, say something, and curse....in another country you will be killed! Its not the weapons, its the culture.

Hell, look at video games. Japan makes Super Mario and Street Fighter II. Both cartoonish games...we make Mortal Kombat and Call of Duty. You can't just ignore culture factors and assume guns make people violent.

Bottom line, don't depend on police, boyfriends, neighbors or the good nature of others for your own personal defense. Get a Glock, get a reloading press, practice and carry it daily...or continue rolling the dice and hope things work out in your favor. People ask me why I carry a gun, then I ask them why they wear a seatbelt, or have a fire extinguisher, or insurance...etc....

[tslust]

Bottom line, don't depend on police, boyfriends, neighbors or the good nature of others for your own personal defense. Get a Glock

Glocks are crap, I'll keep my Smith & Wesson.:lol::kiss:

[The Conquistador]

Glocks are crap, I'll keep my Smith & Wesson.:lol::kiss:

To each their own. I have a G17 and it works and feels just fine. :)

[tslust]

Bottom line, don't depend on police, boyfriends, neighbors or the good nature of others for your own personal defense.Can't depend on cops, prosecutors, and judges. The best justice is in my holster.

[smc]

I continue to believe that the best defense is a good offense. :yes:

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

I continue to believe that the best defense is a good offense. :yes:

So what does that mean? Do I go round and exectute any suspected criminals?

edit: oh wait, I found exactly what you meant! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-mwrH87Ncw

[smc]

So what does that mean? Do I go round and exectute any suspected criminals?

edit: oh wait, I found exactly what you meant! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-mwrH87Ncw

I actually meant taking steps to change the world such that criminality, for example, is reduced drastically. But your YouTube posting works, too. :lol:

[Enoch Root]

So what does that mean? Do I go round and exectute any suspected criminals?

edit: oh wait, I found exactly what you meant! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-mwrH87Ncw

Mother of god. I think I'll end up in one of those sheds if ever I step foot in Arizona.

[tslust]

I actually meant taking steps to change the world such that criminality, for example, is reduced drastically. But your YouTube posting works, too. :lol:

What about these steps: 1. Shoot first 2. Ask questions later

[smc]

What about these steps: 1. Shoot first 2. Ask questions later

Yeah, that's really worked out well over the course of history. :no:

[tslust]

Yeah, that's really worked out well over the course of history. :no:

Sigh I guess you're right. But, I can think of one SOB that I would love to introduce to Judge Colt.

[JodieTs]

You're European I take it?
Now if you're like me and live in the ghetto and are a transsexual, you are at extraordinary risk of assault, rape, murder, home invasion, etc.

But guns are not only for keeping out criminals but also for keeping out the government.
Look at the United Kingdom. These countries are decaying into Police States and the people have no defense.
Totally spot on.
The state {UK} will not protect us
nor allow us to protect ourselves.
They just don't care.

[JodieTs]

It would save much more life if more people would learn first aid than having a gun for home defense.

Why should a Thief kill you and should other people invade your home?


Only an idiot would say something like "What are the chances of a home invasion actually happening? I don't really need to be prepared."
Now if you're like me and live in the ghetto and are a transsexual, you are at extraordinary risk of assault, rape, murder, home invasion, etc. I highly recommend arming yourself if you fall into this category of "high risk persons", such as myself.

In Europe and pretty much everywhere in the world, you have been stripped of your only defense against totalitarianism. Look at the United Kingdom. ...decaying into Police States and the people have no defense.

The UK is shit. And yes it has become a police state.
All the criminals are armed.
The rest of us are not.
it is illegal.
Even if we defend ourselves we are arrested.
And Transsexual women are very high up the stats for being murdered.
If you whore as well, your life expectancy drops to that of a Mayfly.

dailymail.co.uk Manchester-shopkeeper-72-stabs-armed-robber-death-florists.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019263/Cecil-Coley-Manchester-shopkeeper-72-stabs-armed-robber-death-florists.html)
Yesterday, a 72 year old florist was playing dominoes.
His shop was shut.
Two armed men broke in.
There was a scuffle.
One of the armed robbers was fatally stabbed.
The shopkeeper was injured and taken to hospital.
The shopkeeper was also arrested on suspicion of murder.

For fucks sake, he should have been given a community medal and award.
He was later cleared. www.independent.co.uk/florist-raider-cleared-of-murde (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/florist-raider-cleared-of-murder-2327398.html) But that's not the point. He shouldn't have been arrested.
Norway. If some of those 75+ murdered teenagers had been armed then that nutter would have been killed before he had spent a whole hour executing them all.

Europe is shit.

[JodieTs]

What worries me when i read this topic, is that how often crimes of an extreme nature seem to happen in america. This is just my thoughts, but surely if guns were illegal, sure you wouldent have one, but neither would the criminals. So crime would decrease. But thats just my 2 cents.
Is there any Tgirl from the UK or elsewhere who needs to defend themselves on here? it would be interesting to find out how. as guns and knifes are illegal to carry in this country.
I'm in the UK.
There is a huge volume of gun and knife crime.
All guns and all locking knives and all knives over 3" are illegal.
These laws have not reduced the crime. The armed crime has gone up.
The armed criminals don't obey the law. Which makes things very unbalanced.
Police response times are massively variable. Most crimes they don't even come out to.
Trans escorts. In Birmingham there are asian and eastern european gangs targeting gay male escorts and trans escorts
to do gang rape and assault on them.
So what do we need? Besides a miracle?
Guns. Lots of guns. ...
queue Matrix lobby scene...

[JodieTs]

Hey Tread what do you guys do over there if someone breaks into your home with the intent to rob and maybe hurt you?
We get assaulted robbed murdered.
You knew that though.

[Suckslut]

I thought the UK has a very low murder rate?

Something like a couple people a year or something?

[JodieTs]

I figure there are two kinds of T-girls;
those that have been threatened and asaulted;
and those that are going to be.

I'm not so sure.
I know a lot of other transsexual women;
but I don't know any who have not been threatened or assaulted.

[JodieTs]

I thought the UK has a very low murder rate?

Something like a couple people a year or something?

Nope
http://www.telegraph.co.uk Murder-rate-increasing-amid-epidemic-of-knife-and-gun-crime (www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2287360/Murder-rate-increasing-amid-epidemic-of-knife-and-gun-crime.html")

dailymail.co.uk/news/article The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html)

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2011/04/04/scotland-in-the-grip-of-murder-mayhem-as-homicide-rate-soars (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2011/04/04/scotland-in-the-grip-of-murder-mayhem-as-homicide-rate-soars-86908-23036763/)

www.murdermap.co.uk (http://www.murdermap.co.uk/pages/blog_01/blog_item.asp?Blog_01ID=170)

http://www.ukdebate.co.uk/What does everyone here think of gun control? (http://www.ukdebate.co.uk/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=7658bd802a03d6ba2b21b6d18741f9 1a&topic=19524.0) ---look at the table stats on the first post.
Legal carrying of weapons correlates with less crime.
I'd suggest its just the possibility that a person is armed, will dissuade attacks.

[JodieTs]

What about the bullets?
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[JodieTs]

In a situation
never shout out for help
never shout "Rape"
never shout "I'm being attacked"
never shout "call the cops"

You will generally be ignored
(People are like that...Huge studies about group negation of responsibility)

Instead shout "Fire"


This will get everybody running over and confuse the attacker/s
they will think you are a loony ie. unstable, unpredictable,
which is good.

[The Conquistador]

@ Jodie: It's such a shame to see the murder rates of the UK. When I see stuff like that in the news, it makes me glad that I spent that $300 on my Mossberg 500.

How does Parliament expect to save England from the threat of zombies when everyone is disarmed? I am sure Misters Lee and Enfield would see the folly of such gun control.






PS: I'll be sure and send you a shotgun for Christmas... ;)

[KittyKaiti]

@ Jodie: It's such a shame to see the murder rates of the UK. When I see stuff like that in the news, it makes me glad that I spent that $300 on my Mossberg 500.

How does Parliament expect to save England from the threat of zombies when everyone is disarmed? I am sure Misters Lee and Enfield would see the folly of such gun control.

WOOT WOOT for the Mossberg 500. I got one too with the pistol grip and M4-style retracting stock, 7 + 1 capacity. :cool:

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Nope
http://www.telegraph.co.uk Murder-rate-increasing-amid-epidemic-of-knife-and-gun-crime (www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2287360/Murder-rate-increasing-amid-epidemic-of-knife-and-gun-crime.html")

dailymail.co.uk/news/article The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html)

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2011/04/04/scotland-in-the-grip-of-murder-mayhem-as-homicide-rate-soars (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2011/04/04/scotland-in-the-grip-of-murder-mayhem-as-homicide-rate-soars-86908-23036763/)

www.murdermap.co.uk (http://www.murdermap.co.uk/pages/blog_01/blog_item.asp?Blog_01ID=170)

http://www.ukdebate.co.uk/What does everyone here think of gun control? (http://www.ukdebate.co.uk/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=7658bd802a03d6ba2b21b6d18741f9 1a&topic=19524.0) ---look at the table stats on the first post.
Legal carrying of weapons correlates with less crime.
I'd suggest its just the possibility that a person is armed, will dissuade attacks.

What a collection of joke articles.

UK murder rates may be higher than in the 60's however they are still about 1/4 of the murder rate in the US.

Those graphs in your last source as ridiculous. The ones for US cities that supposedly show murder rates dropping or increasing in response to gun laws don't show anything of the sort, they almost all show the change in rate starting or entirely occurring before the law changes. The Washington and Chicago ones that supposedly show a rise after handgun bans show murder rates staying steady for about 10 years after the bans (when they had previously been rising), then they both rise suddenly around 1990, oh, wait, that's when the US went into recession.

The daily mail article (there's the clue it's bullshit, anything in the daily mail, assume the opposite it true) is a complete joke, because as anyone who payed attention to the news knows, they changed the categorisation of violent crime in the UK to include common assault and affray where people are not injured (infact in affray you don't actually have to even have to have touched), whereas other countries only count crimes as violent if someone is actually injured. The articles does infact even admit itself that it is a crock of crap, and that crimes rates are falling since 1995.


And whoever wrote about the Norwegian Terrorist attack, that if only the kids had guns... Are you seriously suggesting that we should be arming children? do you really think that's a good idea to give kids guns. How about you mention that the shooter bought his gun legally, and he got high capacity magazines by mail order from the US.

Criminals always get hold of guns illegally, but they are used almost exclusivly against other criminals, almost all deranged killers who have gone on sprees use legally bought guns, and it's the high capacity magazines that gun nuts insist on keeping legal that allow them to murder such high numbers of people.

As for the 'police state' argument what a load of moronic shit. Lets remember which country STILL has warrantless wire taps, secret searches, tracking your internet, your mail, and even books at your library, has corrupt judges locking people up for money, runs an offshore gulag and has the highest prison population per capita in the world. I don't see any gun waving crowds fixing the situation in the US.

[JodieTs]

Jodie
How does Parliament expect to save England from the threat of zombies when everyone is disarmed? I am sure Misters Lee and Enfield would see the folly of such gun control.

PS: I'll be sure and send you a shotgun for Christmas... ;)

Leicester is a bad place to live if Zombie invasion is a worry
>>>Here's why<<< (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-13713798)

Zombies are actually not a problem in real terms; here's why:
7 Scientific Reasons a Zombie Outbreak Would Fail (Quickly) (http://www.cracked.com/article_18683_7-scientific-reasons-zombie-outbreak-would-fail-quickly.html)

I've actually got an S.P.A.S. 12...
http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv212/quack_quack_quack/SAM_0212Medium.jpg

My 'nick' is "Duck" hence the logo and word scratched on the folding stock.
Ok ok that's CoD: Black Ops.
{real guns scare me}

[JodieTs]

What do you lot think about Tactical folders?

Yes I'm hugely aware they take x3 the time to deploy over a fixed blade,
>>>click here<<< (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZivRcSnPyw) Watch from the six minute mark.
ButIMHO, they seem to be more practical
ie take up less room plus not so intimidating when not in use
....Don't want to scare random non-threatening people.

The Cold Steel AK-47 & AK-47mini, both look functional and scary!
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/csstoreonline_2167_36030390

[JodieTs]

What a collection of joke articles.
UK murder rates may be higher than in the 60's however they are still about 1/4 of the murder rate in the US.
Those graphs in your last source as ridiculous.
The daily mail article (there's the clue it's bullshit, anything in the daily mail, assume the opposite it true)
True. I always use the Daily Mail for ?source material? when I know full well that reputable references say the opposite.
My man was very loudly protesting that article was rubbish.
Still, the truth is that some parts of the UK are very dangerous to trans
(think east end London...one of my trans friends lives there and talks about targeted gang violence against trans women and gay men)
I've experienced violence, again in the bad parts of London,
but never before I transitioned.
And not for the last three years which is down to ?passing?
rather than a liberal attitude amongst the scum gangs.
What about Andrea Waddle?
And other trans escorts in the uk.
Very highly vulnerable and often targeted.
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?p=958814#post958814
Quote:...background on the birmingham robberies Ive heard a couple of stories from some girls there, but thought it was coincidental rather than anything specific.
>>>its called "gang banging" , asian/eastern block gangs assaulting and robbing escorts, particuarly tv/ts and gay males. (also some gg) but mostly trans/gay.
wont go into how they do it on here butnits easy enough to imagine

And whoever wrote about the Norwegian Terrorist attack, that if only the kids had guns... Are you seriously suggesting that we should be arming children? do you really think that's a good idea to give kids guns. How about you mention that the shooter bought his gun legally, and he got high capacity magazines by mail order from the US.
Most of the gun crime in London is done by children, with illegal guns.

Criminals always get hold of guns illegally, but they are used almost exclusivly against other criminals, almost all deranged killers who have gone on sprees use legally bought guns, and it's the high capacity magazines that gun nuts insist on keeping legal that allow them to murder such high numbers of people.
That's state propaganda to keep the people convinced things are safe.
Just look at the BBC news reports, the local papers, to see a lot of violence is against the general population. And I'm not talking about guns only.
Also, It's only the criminals who carry guns. That's hardly a safe situation.

As for the 'police state' argument what a load of moronic shit. Lets remember which country STILL has warrantless wire taps, secret searches, tracking your internet, your mail, and even books at your library, has corrupt judges locking people up for money, runs an offshore gulag and has the highest prison population per capita in the world. I don't see any gun waving crowds fixing the situation in the US.

28 day detention which Tony B(liar) wanted as 92 days., Without trial.
No automatic right to protest.
Need police permission to have a gathering
APNR everywhere. Tracking EVERYONE not just criminals
DNA database
ID cards. Some suggestion Tories trying to bring that back
Suggestion to get everyone on DNA database when they are born.
Extradition treaty with the USA Gary McKinnon ++Nat West Three
where our rights are fucked over by those in charge.
Transfer of sovereignty power to Brussels without mandate.
No Bill of rights, like the USA have
no second amendment
No right to silence. In fact silence may now be taken by court as an admission of guilt.
Illegal to film or take a photo of a policeman
GCHQ looks at everything in the UK.
(If you type: ?Atom bomb? three times in a row you see a white van parked outside, with a rotating Ariel) {Ok. I made that one up}
Oh on the subject on Guantanimo, a UK citizen was locked up there for years,
then later released without charge, while the uk did nothing.
Ok the uk is one of the top 4 exporters of weapons to dodgy states, despite the majority of people being against it.
2, 000,000 people marched against the Iraq war but B(liar) ignored them
Fingerprinting schoolchildren (outlawed by current regime)

Why all those things?
Oh yes, ...coz it's a friggin police state.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

correction time:



28 day detention which Tony B(liar) wanted as 92 days., Without trial. (ended this january)
No automatic right to protest. (not true, protests outside parliament require notice but can't be denied)
Need police permission to have a gathering (not true)
APNR everywhere. Tracking EVERYONE not just criminals
DNA database (was ruled illegal by the European court and will be dismantled)
ID cards. Some suggestion Tories trying to bring that back (still not happened)
Suggestion to get everyone on DNA database when they are born. (wow, so speculation == reality now?)
Extradition treaty with the USA Gary McKinnon ++Nat West Three
where our rights are fucked over by those in charge.
Transfer of sovereignty power to Brussels without mandate.
No Bill of rights, like the USA have (European human rights legislation is better than the US bill of rights)
no second amendment (and again..)
No right to silence. In fact silence may now be taken by court as an admission of guilt. (not true, you have the right to silence, interestingly tho, in the US, they can override the right to silence)
Illegal to film or take a photo of a policeman (not true, it's a lie made up by police, if a policeman ever tells you that you can't take a photo, tell them to fuck off and ask them for their badge number)
GCHQ looks at everything in the UK. (they want you to think that, but they don't, service providers have consistently told the authorities to swivel on it)
(If you type: ?Atom bomb? three times in a row you see a white van parked outside, with a rotating Ariel) {Ok. I made that one up}
Oh on the subject on Guantanimo, a UK citizen was locked up there for years,
then later released without charge, while the uk did nothing.
Ok the uk is one of the top 4 exporters of weapons to dodgy states, despite the majority of people being against it.
2, 000,000 people marched against the Iraq war but B(liar) ignored them
Fingerprinting schoolchildren (outlawed by current regime)

Why all those things?
Oh yes, ...coz it's a friggin police state.

Anyhow, I'm not sure how any of those things are worse than what has gone on in the US, which defeats the point you were trying to make that somehow having guns magically stops the development of a police state.

[aw9725]

The issue of gun ownership and the ?right to carry? is very politically charged. Like so many complex issues there are valid arguments on all sides and an individual?s feelings may be influenced by many factors such as what country they live in, their culture, and their own past experiences. I happen to believe that if one is properly trained and carries a gun legally and responsibly it can go a long way towards making them safer. I also think that working out, learning a martial art, taking a self-defense class, or simply ?being aware? of your surroundings can also be quite effective and are often the best alternatives no matter where you live. Simply by feeling good about yourself and walking confidently you can avoid being a victim.

My purpose in starting this thread was to promote the idea of ?self-defense? and perhaps share things that have worked with each other. Not necessarily to promote guns or discuss whether it is ones ?right? to carry a gun. I shouldn?t have to explain to the members of this forum how real the threat of violence and hate crimes toward members of our community is?all over the world. There are many ways to deal with the possibility of violence?from avoidance to direct armed confrontation. I live in the United States where it is legal (in most places) to carry a gun. I have training in martial arts and I guess some people would say am ?obsessed? with strength and fitness.

Also, the situations I am considering are those that are most likely to occur in everyday life. Such as being followed out of a bar by a gang of troublemakers, a confrontation in a parking garage or mall, or perhaps someone breaking into my home with the intent of harming me or my family (a member of TLB who doesn?t like my posts maybe? :lol:). I have a M2F friend who is deathly afraid of having her car breakdown on I-65 downtown and being confronted by a gang--and she is even more afraid of guns--she and people like her were who I had in mind when I started this thread. The recent tragedy in Norway is something else entirely and my heart goes out to the victims and their families. Ila once suggested that I should teach a self-defense class for transwomen. I would be happy to share what I know with others on here or, if you live near Indianapolis and want to learn how to shoot or just ?kick someone?s ass? should you ever have to ;) PM me.

[JodieTs]

correction time:
Anyhow, I'm not sure how any of those things are worse than what has gone on in the US, which defeats the point you were trying to make that somehow having guns magically stops the development of a police state.

JodieTs
Double correction time:

Oh on the subject on Guantanimo, a UK citizen was locked up there for years, then later released without charge, while the uk did nothing.
>>>We agree on this one?

Ok the uk is one of the top 4 exporters of weapons to dodgy states, despite the majority of people being against it.
>>>We agree on this one?

2, 000,000 people marched against the Iraq war but B(liar) ignored them
>>>We agree on this one?

Fingerprinting schoolchildren (outlawed by current regime)
>>>We agree on this one?

APNR everywhere. Tracking EVERYONE not just criminals
>>>We agree on this one?

Extradition treaty with the USA Gary McKinnon ++Nat West Three
where our rights are fucked over by those in charge.
>>>We agree on this one?

Transfer of sovereignty power to Brussels without mandate.
>>>We agree on this one?


28 day detention which Tony B(liar) wanted as 92 days., Without trial. (ended this january)
>>> They want to bring it back
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13882528
Isabella Sankey of campaign group Liberty said:
"Fourteen days is already far longer than any comparable democracy"

No Bill of rights, like the USA have
(European human rights legislation is better than the US bill of rights)
>>>Oh no it's not. It is not as robust as the USA bill of rights for the individual citizens protection from the state.
For a start, it gives the right to bear arms.but it is a freedom the uk does not have, fact.

USA bill of rights says:
Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The UK dilutes this to the following:
Human Rights Act:
Article 11: Freedom of Assembly
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and to freedom of association with others, including the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

(2) No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others

This Article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the state.

For fucks sake....
If they don't like what you are doing, they can send the army in....
Now do you see the difference?

no second amendment
(and again..)
>>>Likewise
The second amendment of the USA constitution enshrines the right of citizens to bear arms
There is nothing like that in the European act.

No automatic right to protest.
(not true, protests outside parliament require notice but can't be denied)
>>>Protests have to be notified to the police 6 days in advance.
And the police can refuse permission.
Public Order Act 1986
PART II PROCESSIONS AND ASSEMBLIES
11. (1) Written notice shall be given in accordance with this section of any proposal to hold a public procession intended
(a) to demonstrate support for or opposition to the views or actions of any person or body of persons,
(b) to publicise a cause or campaign, or
(c) to mark or commemorate an event,
And a senior police officer can refuse permission.

Need police permission to have a gathering
(not true)
>>>Under section 14 (1) If a senior police officer has concerns about any public assembly,
they may impose conditions upon the persons organising the assembly, its max duration, number of persons involved.
Criminal charges can be brought against those not complying with orders
(max. sentence 3 months prison and / or Level 4 fine).
so they can't stop you gathering,
But like Monopoly, you can collect 3 months and go directly to jail.

DNA database
(was ruled illegal by the European court and will be dismantled)
>>>citation please
>>>Anyway http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/may/18/police-dna-database-supreme-court
The police are refusing to remove innocent people from the database

Suggestion to get everyone on DNA database when they are born.
(wow, so speculation == reality now?)
>>>It's called not trusting the powers as they abuse it when the people look away

ID cards. Some suggestion Tories trying to bring that back
(still not happened)
>>>It's called not trusting the powers as they abuse it when the people look away

No right to silence. In fact silence may now be taken by court as an admission of guilt.
(not true, you have the right to silence, interestingly tho, in the US, they can override the right to silence)
>>>In the USA the right to silence is guaranteed under the 5 amendment.
But in the UK, you no longer have the right of silence
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/police/powers/custody/
Right to silence

You also have the right not to mention anything when questioned. However adverse inferences can be drawn from this. No inferences may be drawn if a person has not been given the opportunity to consult a solicitor before being questioned, charged, or informed of a prosecution.

Illegal to film or take a photo of a policeman
(not true, it's a lie made up by police, if a policeman ever tells you that you can't take a photo, tell them to fuck off and ask them for their badge number)
>>>This was banned under the "Fuck you over terrorism excuse" act.
...people got arrested for it.
A senior police officer has advised my partner that you can photo/film police. I stand partially corrected on this.
But you need to tell the local beat bobbies this ;)
9LMKBuGvGUo
You tube this there are tons of films like this one.

GCHQ looks at everything in the UK.
(If you type: ?Atom bomb? three times in a row you see a white van parked outside, with a rotating Ariel) {Ok. I made that one up}
(they want you to think that, but they don't, service providers have consistently told the authorities to swivel on it)
>>> "Google" Deep Packet Inspection (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=deep+packet+inspection)
>>> Also "Google" Duncan Campbell ECHELON (http://www.google.co.uk/search?sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=Duncan+Campbell+Elechon&btnG=Search&pbx=1&oq=&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=)

No tin foil hats were used in the production of this "Correction" of your "Correction"

As I said Police state. :respect:

[JodieTs]

Anyhow, I'm not sure how any of those things are worse than what has gone on in the US, which defeats the point you were trying to make that somehow having guns magically stops the development of a police state.


I never said that having guns magically stops the development of a police state.
Don't misquote me; guns scare me, so I wouldn't say that.

However, a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
{2nd amendment} Those guys seem to know more about these things that I do.

Also, take a look at Switzerland....
Gun_politics_in_Switzerland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/1566715.stm
Guns are deeply rooted within Swiss culture - but the gun crime rate is so low that statistics are not even kept.

The country has a population of six million, but there are estimated to be at least two million publicly-owned firearms, including about 600,000 automatic rifles and 500,000 pistols.

I bet they don't get a lot of break-in's either....

[JodieTs]

Seems a guy cruised thru a stop sign, or whatever, and got pulled over by a local policeman. Guy handed the cop his driver's license, insurance verification, plus his concealed carry permit.

"Okay, Mr. Smith," the cop said, "I see your CHL permit. Are you carrying today?"

"Yes, I am."

"Well then, better tell me what you got."

Smith said, "Well, I got a ...357 revolver in my inside coat pocket. There's a 9 mm semi-auto in the glove box. And, I've got a .22 magnum derringer in my right boot."

"Okay," the cop said. "Anything else?"

"Yeah, back in the trunk, there's an AR-15 and a shotgun. That's about it."

"Mr. Smith, are you on your way to or from a gun range?"

"Nope."

"Well then, what are you afraid of?"

"Not a damn thing."

[KittyKaiti]

Seems a guy cruised thru a stop sign, or whatever, and got pulled over by a local policeman. Guy handed the cop his driver's license, insurance verification, plus his concealed carry permit.

"Okay, Mr. Smith," the cop said, "I see your CHL permit. Are you carrying today?"

"Yes, I am."

"Well then, better tell me what you got."

Smith said, "Well, I got a ...357 revolver in my inside coat pocket. There's a 9 mm semi-auto in the glove box. And, I've got a .22 magnum derringer in my right boot."

"Okay," the cop said. "Anything else?"

"Yeah, back in the trunk, there's an AR-15 and a shotgun. That's about it."

"Mr. Smith, are you on your way to or from a gun range?"

"Nope."

"Well then, what are you afraid of?"

"Not a damn thing."

Total badassry. :lol:

[KittyKaiti]

I never said that having guns magically stops the development of a police state.
Don't misquote me; guns scare me, so I wouldn't say that.

However, a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
{2nd amendment} Those guys seem to know more about these things that I do.



Having guns doesn't specifically prevent the development of a police state but key incidents can spark the revolution which results in the overthrow of the regime and establishment of a new government, as specified in our own Declaration of Independence. For example: the government outlaws guns and negates the Second Amendment or, unlawfully imposed Martial Law or Homeland Security decides to start hauling certain peoples off to those FEMA camps.

[Suckslut]

I don't have a problem with people keeping fire arms in their homes, but I don't think it is realistic either to have 20,000 people walking the streets of London or New York City openly carrying fully automatic machine guns.

[KittyKaiti]

I don't have a problem with people keeping fire arms in their homes, but I don't think it is realistic either to have 20,000 people walking the streets of London or New York City openly carrying fully automatic machine guns.

WAT.... only in Somalia.

[The Conquistador]

I don't have a problem with people keeping fire arms in their homes, but I don't think it is realistic either to have 20,000 people walking the streets of London or New York City openly carrying fully automatic machine guns.

It's alot more practical to open carry a pistol than a 20 something pound M240B. I don't think there are many hip holsters for crew served weapons like that...

Plus, quick reloads are a bitch with a 100 round belt, not to mention the additional weight it adds.

[KittyKaiti]

It's alot more practical to open carry a pistol than a 20 something pound M240B. I don't think there are many hip holsters for crew served weapons like that...

Plus, quick reloads are a bitch with a 100 round belt, not to mention the additional weight it adds.

My preferable loadout for outings would be an AR-15 in the trunk with ready-to-roll loaded 30 round magazines (unloaded gun) and maybe an extra handgun with loaded magazines ready (unloaded gun), preferably .45 ACP like a 1911. On my person would be a loaded CCW .45 ACP 1911 and one extra full magazine, a police style Taser gun open carry on thigh and a small knife hidden in a back pocket. Maybe when I'm settled out living in Florida or Nevada. In the home? LOL I'd be like a collector cuz I just love guns. :cool: :cool: :cool:

[The Conquistador]

My arsenal includes a Glock 17, AMT .380 Backup, 2 Mosin-Nagant rifles(One is an M44, the other an M38) and my trusty Mossberg. I have an AK-74 in the works but that is expected to be finished late September.

All I want next is a Saiga 12 shotgun or a Saiga .308. I like the semi-auto and familiarity with the AK platform of the Saiga 12 but I want a DMR type rifle that the Saiga .308 can provide without the expensive price tag or ammo cost usually associated with other platforms.

Recap:

AK-74: General Purpose Rifle
Saiga .308: Designated Marksman Rifle
Mosin-Nagant: Hunting/Longer range rifle
Mossberg 500 or Saiga 12: Close Quarters/Home Defense
Glock 17: Home Defense/ General purpose
AMT .380 Backup: I'm fucked because the above has failed me.

I'd like a 1911 but a good quality one (here in Cali anyways) will run you $700+. That plus the price of .45ACP is unfeasable at this point. If I do get another pistol, it will probably be a Tokarev TT-33 plus a spam can of 7.62x25. :D

[Slavetoebony]

More self-defence tips at

http://www.pinkpistols.org/

[smc]

More self-defence tips at

http://www.pinkpistols.org/

Just what we need: more people carrying guns around. :no:

[JodieTs]

Vincent Cooke was arrested for murder >>>click here<<< (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3821759/Dad-Vincent-Cooke-is-held-over-burglar-murder.html) after two scum tried to force their way through his front door.
Burglar Raymond Jacob had a fucking knife which Vincent grabbed off him,
then he killed the fucker.
Vincent's wife and young child were on their way home and arrived towards the end of the attack.

If you live in the UK and need to defend your life by killing some evil scum.
Do not report to the police but dispose of the body.

I hate the UK.

[randolph]

Vincent Cooke was arrested for murder >>>click here<<< (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3821759/Dad-Vincent-Cooke-is-held-over-burglar-murder.html) after two scum tried to force their way through his front door.
Burglar Raymond Jacob had a fucking knife which Vincent grabbed off him,
then he killed the fucker.
Vincent's wife and young child were on their way home and arrived towards the end of the attack.

If you live in the UK and need to defend your life by killing some evil scum.
Do not report to the police but dispose of the body.

I hate the UK.

Supposedly, here in the US, if you kill them inside the house, it's OK. Just don't kill them in the yard or drag then inside if you do.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Vincent Cooke was arrested for murder >>>click here<<< (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3821759/Dad-Vincent-Cooke-is-held-over-burglar-murder.html) after two scum tried to force their way through his front door.
Burglar Raymond Jacob had a fucking knife which Vincent grabbed off him,
then he killed the fucker.
Vincent's wife and young child were on their way home and arrived towards the end of the attack.

If you live in the UK and need to defend your life by killing some evil scum.
Do not report to the police but dispose of the body.

I hate the UK.

This is the dumbest post I ever read. Stop reading dogshit off Murdoch's toilet paper and get yourself aligned with reality. What exactly do you expect police to do when they have a dead body, do they just take his word for it and go home?

He was immediately released on bail and it's almost certain he will be acquitted if things occurred as he claimed, but the police still have to investigate.

The shitpeddlers (anyone employed by murdoch can't be called a Journalist) of course love to stir it up and print a big scare story, defend yourself and go to jail, but the fact is, if you look at what really happens, almost all of these people are acquitted or never go to court, only a few exceptions like tony martin, who wasn't acting in self defence, he chased after a kid who was running away and shot him multiple times in the back with an illegal sawn-off shotgun.

Fact is, people who really are acting in self defence are acquitted, it's only the vigilante loons who go about torturing people or gunning them down in the street that go to jail.

[vibesfan]

I'm so happy that I live in a shall issue concealed carry state.:yes::yes:

[JodieTs]

Dear slutty,

1. If you don't like what I write - then don't read it.
Stop twisting my words as I never said the police shouldn't investigate.
Yes the police should investigate the incident. But it is wrong to arrest the victim on a murder charge,
DNA him and keep both the DNA and the arrest on file for the rest of his life. That IS treating him like a criminal.
And will continue after he is acquitted, for the rest of his life.

2. If you don't want me to quote from Murdoch press then tell me which news source you do trust and I'll quote from that.
Meanwhile, here's one from a non Murdock source:
telegraph.co.uk: Raymond Jacob, 'burglar' stabbed to death by householder, was career criminal with history of violence. Raymond Jacob, had dozens of convictions for burglary, robbery and theft, and once served an 18-month prison sentence for beating a man unconscious and leaving him looking ?like a piece of meat? Asked about the incident, Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg said: ?The law is very clear: you have every right to defend yourself, your home, your property, your family.? (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8775111/Raymond-Jacob-burglar-stabbed-to-death-by-householder-was-career-criminal-with-history-of-violence.html)
I'm pretty news source neutral. I pulled out the Sun as that was the top link when googling "Vincent Cooke murder charge"
Also, I understand from numerous sources, reported over the years, such as ex-journos and editors, some of whom are now quite hostile to Murdoch. They consistently say that Murdoch does not direct or directly influence editor on the news reports, nor the slant they give said reports.

3. Did you miss the bit last month where the riots showed people breaking into homes and shops, setting fire to same, many with residential flats above and lines of police watching and doing nothing? By chance and chance only, no one was burned alive.

4. Remember, you are a "weekend warrior"- a transvestite who occasionally plays "Dress-up" Either exclusively in your own home or maybe a tranny venue, for your hobby's of: Deepthroat, Anal, Rimming, Footlicking, posing in lingerie, swallowing cum, pee, spanking, restraint.
You don't walk-the-walk and so are totally clueless about the risks, threats and actual violence transsexual women and transsexual men face every day.

5. A good friend specifically didn't keep any weapon at home because she feared the law would be used against her, should she have to defend her life.
A year after saying that, she was raped and murdered in her home on the South coast. They caught the perp, eventually, but she is still dead.



This is the dumbest post I ever read. Stop reading dogshit off Murdoch's toilet paper and get yourself aligned with reality. What exactly do you expect police to do when they have a dead body, do they just take his word for it and go home?

He was immediately released on bail and it's almost certain he will be acquitted if things occurred as he claimed, but the police still have to investigate.

The shitpeddlers (anyone employed by murdoch can't be called a Journalist) of course love to stir it up and print a big scare story, defend yourself and go to jail, but the fact is, if you look at what really happens, almost all of these people are acquitted or never go to court, only a few exceptions like tony martin, who wasn't acting in self defence, he chased after a kid who was running away and shot him multiple times in the back with an illegal sawn-off shotgun.

Fact is, people who really are acting in self defence are acquitted, it's only the vigilante loons who go about torturing people or gunning them down in the street that go to jail.

[KittyKaiti]

Upgraded my home defense system... :coupling:

[Slavetoebony]

I never said that having guns magically stops the development of a police state.
Don't misquote me; guns scare me, so I wouldn't say that.

However, a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
{2nd amendment} Those guys seem to know more about these things that I do.

Also, take a look at Switzerland....
Gun_politics_in_Switzerland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/1566715.stm
Guns are deeply rooted within Swiss culture - but the gun crime rate is so low that statistics are not even kept.

The country has a population of six million, but there are estimated to be at least two million publicly-owned firearms, including about 600,000 automatic rifles and 500,000 pistols.

I bet they don't get a lot of break-in's either....

Switzerland hasn't been invaded for 800 years. This is unique for war-torn Europe. Even during WW2 they managed to keep the Nazis and allies from violating their territory. Why? Because unlike other countries in Europe, the Swiss did not give up their right to be armed.
In modern-day Switzerland, criminals don't dare to attack people because they know their opponents are armed. Compare this to neighbouring Germany. A country of very similar culture with exactly the same mix of natives and immigrants. The only difference is that Germany enforces gun control, and the crime rate, including armed robbery, murder and rape is spiraling out of control. Guns make a safer society, that's a fact.

[Enoch Root]

Both of you appear to assume that the low crime rate is causally related to high gun ownership. Which may not be the case. That effect A (low crime) exists in a country with circumstance B (high gun ownership) does not necessarily mean that A causes B.

[ila]

Switzerland hasn't been invaded for 800 years. This is unique for war-torn Europe. Even during WW2 they managed to keep the Nazis and allies from violating their territory. Why? Because unlike other countries in Europe, the Swiss did not give up their right to be armed.

Actually Switzerland's territory wasn't violated because Switzerland was a neutral country and no other country wanted to violate that neutrality. It might also be noted that the allies did in a way violate Switzerland's territory. The allies sent a stream of bombers over Switzerland enroute to bomb the monstery at Monte Cassino.


In modern-day Switzerland, criminals don't dare to attack people because they know their opponents are armed. Compare this to neighbouring Germany. A country of very similar culture with exactly the same mix of natives and immigrants. The only difference is that Germany enforces gun control, and the crime rate, including armed robbery, murder and rape is spiraling out of control. Guns make a safer society, that's a fact.

One of the main reasons that there are weapons in Swiss homes is because the army is made up mostly of conscripts. These conscripts remain in the army even after their compulsory service in uniform ends and because they are still in the army they are required to keep their personal weapon at home.

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In modern-day Switzerland, criminals don't dare to attack people because they know their opponents are armed. Compare this to neighbouring Germany. A country of very similar culture with exactly the same mix of natives and immigrants. The only difference is that Germany enforces gun control, and the crime rate, including armed robbery, murder and rape is spiraling out of control. Guns make a safer society, that's a fact.

The culture may be similar like most neighbour countries in the world, but not very similar. The mix of natives and immigrants is different.

Switzerland also enforces gun control. You need permission to buy own and carry a gun.

There are crime statistics about Switzerland and in most of these Germany looks similar to Switzerland. Compare it also with Austria, Belgium, Luxembourg and you won?t see a connection to gun control.

There are many different circumstances (EU, size of country/cities, social imbalance, politics, ?) that make it impossible to reduce everything to gun ownership.

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What kept Switzerland out of the war was the willingness of the Swiss banking capitalists to work with anyone who needed a safe haven for whatever, be it currency, art stolen from displaced persons ... you name it. The fact that the Swiss would work any side of the fence made all the difference in the world. Every side needed its "bankers."

It had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with arms.

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Upgraded my home defense system... :coupling:

:respect:That's great, I was playing with my SKS yesterday.

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This got deleted somehow when I left. My standard "carry" is an FNX .40 S&W. Right now our "personal defense system" consists of that plus a Remington 870 12 gauge, Bushmaster AR-15, a very old M1 Carbine, a .22 Marlin, and my wife's .38 S&W Bodyguard.