New and Looking

[Bionca]

In the past year I have broken up with my long-term b/f of 7 years. Unfortunately, we started to date shortly after I began my transition - so I have only really seriously dated this one guy (who turned out to be total crap). I won't date a guy who doesn't know that I was born with a guy body, aside from having an awkward conversation after emotional investment, I really don't want to put my safety at risk.

I have had 5 dates the past year - 3 of them stood me up (literally waiting at a coffee shop or restaurant alone for 30-45 min) and never heard from again. One guy took me out twice, first date was great, dinner and a movie with a very sweet kiss goodnight. Second date, just as nice and followed by a night of sex. He immediately left after an awkward silence. I saw him a couple days later and said "hi", he told me he "didn't like fags".

So, I'm here looking for somethign. I'm curious about guys who are interested in gals like me. Is this what I have to look forward to? One thing also, is I have been on Hormone treatment for 5 years, and I have not had an erection for some time - from reading here, that seems like the big deal-breaker for lots of guys.

I don't get it, I'm smart, funny and I guess pretty cute (the avatar is me from last summer). I'm just confused about guys and if I can actually find a functioning relationship with *ghasp* respect.

[lopey]

I think you'll find a lot of respect here. And yes, a big hard cock has appeal to many, but others are not hung up on it.

best wishes

[lopey]

and yes, you are cute

[CuriousJim]

You seem like a very nice person. Very genuine!

It's just a fantasy that many men have, being screwed by a t-girl, very few have lived it out on here and i doubt many of those who havent ever will.

Hope you find the right person for you though!

[Bionca]

Thank you CuriousJim. I hope I do find someone too.

[CuriousJim]

You're welcome!

Where are you from, just out of interest?

[Bionca]

Well, I was living in Chicago until the breakup, now I'm back home in the middle of Ohio switching between my brother and a friend's houses. I'll be moving to either LA or Miami soon though depending on which job I'll be taking.

[sesame]

Wow, you are cute. I guess you will immediately begin to get full hearted response from all around. All crap aside, I think a serious relationship requires a strong minded guy who knows what he wants. And he doesnt give a damn about what the society will judge about him or his preference. People are basically weak and are afraid of asserting their feelings. You on the other hand have walked a long way in that direction. Hats off to you.

[BLUEJS75]

You look wonderful from where I'm sitting!

[Bionca]

Wow, you are cute. I guess you will immediately begin to get full hearted response from all around. All crap aside, I think a serious relationship requires a strong minded guy who knows what he wants. And he doesnt give a damn about what the society will judge about him or his preference. People are basically weak and are afraid of asserting their feelings. You on the other hand have walked a long way in that direction. Hats off to you.

Sesame, thank you very much. I guess you are right, maybe I'm just expecting too much from guys.

[Bionca]

You look wonderful from where I'm sitting!

:) thanks :) I appreciate that very much

[sesame]

Bionca, it is not a crime to be oneself. Sometimes strong people take up where nature has left something midway, and bring out its final form. That is a brave act.
The society is a mixture of good people, bad ones and lots and lots of morons. So sometimes people say cruel things just to look smart. Anything new gets through a lot of struggle and controversy to be finally accepted. So have courage, buck up and continue in your own way.
Also it is good to be prudent. One should not expose everything to unworthy people. Only a few people can appreciate a valuable diamond and tell it apart from a piece of glass.

[Bionca]

Well I'm at a point of no return, so there isn't much more to do other than continue on. It just gets weird sometimes. It's like with gay people... one can draw a comparison based on romance or love.. these two guys love eachother just like a hetero couple. Everyone understands love, it's a shared human quality.

Most everyone has no conflict between their body and their identity, so saying "I always have been a girl" I suppose sounds like I'm crazy - no shared quality to compare. Usually if I explain further people start to get it, but then again, my story is not the same as every T-gal, my feelings and understanding arent shared even amongst my community. So lots of misunderstandings and strange assumptions *shrug*. My whole point being here, is because I'm really curious how you guys think and how you see women like me. Unfortunately, I think I'm just getting confused.

[sesame]

You are right Bionca. There are some qualities, notions and experiences that are common to most people. But then again, some experiences and qualities are just unique. Only you have them, others can hardly feel or understand them. Some feelings are so unique that they cannot be understood by others, even if you explain.
Women who are born as girls are ok. But a person who is born as a boy and becoming a girl is someone really special. Considering all the intense pain, hardship, social ridicule and mental struggle she goes through, I think she is full of strength, determination and courage. I cannot help but appreciate such a woman. Natural women are god-gifted, they didnt have to try anything, but a Tgirl is 100% self made.

[SHEMALE_SEEKER]

Considering all the intense pain, hardship, social ridicule and mental struggle she goes through, I think she is full of strength, determination and courage.


Intense pain builds character, hardship prepares you for what is yet to come, social ridicule comes with the human package, mental struggle is an indicator that you have a brain and it works and that you are more determined than others.....
There is only one little problem,,,, only very few can survive the above and learn from it.

[Bionca]

Natural women are god-gifted, they didnt have to try anything, but a Tgirl is 100% self made.[/QUOTE]



Well.... I did have some help from a really good plastc surgeon.. so maybe 98% self-made :innocent::lol:

[SHEMALE_SEEKER]

You've expressed yourself in regard of who you are and who you want to be, and I am sure that you are all that you say you are, BUT, HAVE U ASKED YOURSELF WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR IN A GUY ??

[SHEMALE_SEEKER]

98 % is still great :D

[SHEMALE_SEEKER]

You Do Look Cute.

[Bionca]

You've expressed yourself in regard of who you are and who you want to be, and I am sure that you are all that you say you are, BUT, HAVE U ASKED YOURSELF WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR IN A GUY ??

I've thought about that quite a bit actually. I'm looking, obviously, for a guy who shares common interests and world-view. That's pretty basic and essential in any relationship, and where it should start.

Where it gets more difficult, I guess, is a guy who is willing to see past anatomy and try to get to know ME. I'm a silly, geeky, girl who can quote Monty Python, discuss politics, talk for hours on a wide variety of topics, rock house in most video games, and has a soft spot for kids and animals. A guy who can appreciate those qualities and be a companion in them.. mmm.

On the shallow end, I do take good care of myself. Estrogen tends to make gals chunky at the levels I started taking, so I'm in pretty good shape, and my guy should be to. There would have to be a physical attraction, tho I hardly have a "type". I'm also not really pressed either way about age.

I think the biggest issue facing guys who like T-gals is we know men... from the inside out.. we were with you in the gym in Hish School, we were your "buddies", we served with you in the military, etc. Even if I don't "get" how you all think, I know how you think. I can smell BS from 50 paces.

I don't have a set criteria for qualities I'm look for in a partner aside from humor (making me laugh is very sexy), ability to stimulate me mentally as well as physically, and a willingness to understand that I'm going to have some issues that most women never have.

[SHEMALE_SEEKER]

That's exactly how you should be thinking, simply ask yourself about what you want and why do you exactly want it, and when your mind is set on sth, thats when you start asking other people about what THEY want....
And with all due and proper respect, if someone doesn't like you for being who you are and for being honest and truthful to yourself Then they can go Fu** Themselves.

[RedderZNZ]

Too bad you're in the USA :))))

[Bionca]

I suppose I should add, the ideal guy really must be comfortable with me being open about my status. I'm going to be working with GLBT runaways, and while I have no intention of ever being some Trans spokesmodel, I'll have to show by example that a person can live a fulfilling productive life without shame.

[belfagar]

I think you should settle for no less than pure love. You deserve no less.
Here's a meta-phor. A gift with strings, Is no gift at all.

[Bionca]

I think you should settle for no less than pure love. You deserve no less.
Here's a meta-phor. A gift with strings, Is no gift at all.

That's the plan, and I thought I had it....

One of the reasons I joined here is to get a better understanding of the mind set of the guys who are asking me out. What are their expectations? I'll be honest, I never have really watched "shemale porn" until now... I like porn, but it's been hetero mainstream stuff (with some gay porn because really the guys in gay porn are WAY hotter). So, seeing this and reading the comments has been helpful (a little discouraging, but helpful). :respect:

[belfagar]

Keep up the search. It'll happen when it happens. Thats the only way things ever do work out. And a little more focus on your expectations are needed.

[sesame]

To Bionca:
...and reading the comments has been helpful
(a little discouraging, but helpful)
Helpful I understand. But why are you discouraged? Please dont be.

To Sml-seeker:
mental struggle is an indicator that you have a brain and it works and that you are more determined than others.....
Well said indeed. That is an epical statement worthy of praise.

[Bionca]

Keep up the search. It'll happen when it happens. Thats the only way things ever do work out. And a little more focus on your expectations are needed.

I guess like most women, I'm more aware of what I don't want than what I do want. My only realy carved in stone expectations are respect, understanding, and honesty. Ideally one would play around with the particulars of personality during the dating part.

One thing that does kinda irritate me about other transwomen looking for a relationship is that they want to be treated like "a lady" (doors held open, stuff like that). Personally, I'd rather be treated like a person you want to impress (on the first few dates). Not like someone you are obligated to take out for drinks just so you can get in her panties.

[belfagar]

One thing that does kinda irritate me about other transwomen looking for a relationship is that they want to be treated like "a lady" (doors held open, stuff like that).

My attitude is you drop it, you pick it up. LOL:lol:

[Bionca]

My attitude is you drop it, you pick it up. LOL:lol:

Good policy!

As an aside, picking things up in a skirt is one of those things you don't think about until you have to do it. Growing up I'd bend at the waist, slight bend at the knee. In even a mid length skirt you need to fully bend at the knee unless you want to give a free panty show to your neighbors. Ahh the lessons learned.

[belfagar]

I'm sure some people enjoyed what they got to see.:lol:

[Bionca]

I'm sure some people enjoyed what they got to see.:lol:

Hmm.. probably :innocent:

[sesame]

Just trying to imagine, these down to earth admissions!
Ummm, "seeing is believing" or "To see or not to see, that is the question"
Will Shakes.

[cham]

Well, Good Luck to you Bionca, too bad you are in the US :-)

Cham

[belfagar]

Your eyes rarely ever show you the truth anyhow. To not see is to believe, for if one is left blind one has to find another way to believe. So i say i wish society would just climatize.

[Bionca]

To Bionca:

Helpful I understand. But why are you discouraged? Please dont be.

Comments on the site in general, rather than on this thread specifically. Discouraging, because guys are both more and less honest with eachother about sex. They will be more willing to discuss what they like/want and more likely to exagerate what they have done or would do.

So, it's a little strange being a woman reading what is in essence "locker room talk". I just need to switch my frame of referance, and not try to compare myself to a fantasy.

[sesame]

What you actually see is first hand proof of anything. Then the fact is strongly set in your mind as Truth. Nobody can uproot your belief from its foundation.
But if you dont see anything but still believe, that is a weak notion just waiting to be jolted. So they say, "seeing is believing."

[sesame]

a little strange being a woman reading what is in essence "locker room talk"
:lol: You really are a funny girl. Have you ever considered writing a book? I can vouch that it will definitely sell.;)

not try to compare myself to a fantasy
Everything is a dream or fantasy until you try it. Some guys just dream all through life and only a few realize it.

[sesame]

One thing I dont like is how easily people give up their dreams and compromise with "harsh reality". I think one should never give up and continue to fight lifelong if need be. And ultimately bend the bitch called reality and make it concur with our dreams.
Ahmm... forgive my being so poetic. But I'm sure you get the idea.:yes:

[Bionca]

:lol: You really are a funny girl. Have you ever considered writing a book? I can vouch that it will definitely sell.;)

Honestly, yes I have been thinking of writing a book - or at least doing a Blog.

Everything is a dream or fantasy until you try it. Some guys just dream all through life and only a few realize it.

Well, I've been on the other end of fantasy fulfillment, that is I was the one who was supposed to fulfill the fantasy. Unfortunately, nobody can measure up to someone's fantasy. Porn is the perfect example. On planet porno every woman is sexually available, willing to bang you and your wife, you can be a shabby-looking Ron Jeremy and get all the chicks you want, every plumber gets his dick sucked while fixing a sink. But, everyone knows that's not really gunna happen. Why? Because everyone knows genetic women and knows what to expect.

Fewer people have the balance between shemale fantasy and transwoman reality. Shemale porn is just as unrealistic, in some cases laughably so. The counter for most isn't there because they don't know if they know trans women. Or the Transwomen they do know don't pass very well.

So, I don't have issue with fantasy or porn. I'm just happier when I'm not expected to act like I'm in one.

[belfagar]

I wish i had the chance to meet you a few years ago. You seem quite lovely from where i stand. I'm sure there are many like me willing to give their heart for you.

[sesame]

I've been on the other end of fantasy fulfillment
Indeed!
On planet porno every woman is sexually available
Only in ones imagination, not in the real world, wise girl!
you can be a shabby-looking Ron Jeremy and get all the chicks you want :lol: Yeah I always thought of that. The guy is all hairy and looks like he has a keg hidden in his belly!
The counter for most isn't there because they don't know if they know trans women Please elaborate.
On 2nd thoughts, I say there is a serious need for mass awareness.
The Ts subject is still hush-hush, even though the society boasts to be "modern" and "scientific".

[Bionca]

That may have come off more hostile than I intended.

[sesame]

I wish i had the chance to meet you a few years ago. You seem quite lovely from where i stand. I'm sure there are many like me willing to give their heart for you
Oooooh! :heart:

[sesame]

I say chaps, I can hear someones heart throbbing from a thousand miles away.:rolleyes:
Brave statement though!

[belfagar]

Oooooh! :heart:

Well I would have to say I only have time for sincere and honest people in my life and all i meant was i not in the life im in now, a life with her could be nice.

[belfagar]

with the obvious perks.:turnon::lol:
really tho genuine is best. And, that she is.

[sesame]

Yeah, I agree with some of your points. Bionca is indeed a strong, honest and beautiful person (from inside out) with a great sense of humour. {That is what I gather from reading her posts.} She is a frank upfront girl.
Yippie:p Bionca, we're praising ya!

[belfagar]

Yes i agree praise thee:yes::hug::yes:

[Bionca]

Please elaborate.
On 2nd thoughts, I say there is a serious need for mass awareness.
The Ts subject is still hush-hush, even though the society boasts to be "modern" and "scientific".[/QUOTE]

Well, the goal for your average Transgendered woman is to pass undetected daily as a genetic woman. In short, those who can "pass" do - it's called "deep stealth" or "Woodworked". It about safety and simply maintaing a "normal" life.

I'm currently living in a large city the middle of Ohio and if every Transwoman and man that I know suddenly revealed their status the city would turn on it's ear. That's not counting the Part-Time Cross Dresser and kinky Transvestites either.

The issue is really one of awareness and is related to the gay movement. In the 70's all you saw about gay men and lesbians were images of people who were steriotypical "flaming queens" or "butch" gals. They were shown as murders or victems who in some waydiserved to be punished. With Transwomen, until recently, we were shown as being hookers, or predatory decevers who try to trick men into sleeping with us (a common porn fantasy too). Either that or we are the pathetic helpless victem. Obviously there are some exceptions. It's a steep uphill battle when our shared community is most commonly shown on the Jerry Springer Show (A particularly scandalous "talk" show in the US).

Even with science showing more and more that gender identity is not created by the formation of genetalia, people still view this as a choice or a mental problem at best, a sexual kink as worst. We need the scientific community to get off it's collective bottoms, for Transwomen to feel safe enough to be honest, and for the men and women who date us to be secure and safe enough to challenge society.

/rant off

[SHEMALE_SEEKER]

It is not that easy, societies - even the most so called modern ones - are still not ready to face these issues, because they are preoccupied with lots of other matters, so they tend to just look the other way...

[sesame]

/rant on pls
An innocent question; did you graduate with "contemporary history"?;)
The hooker issue is due to the porn industry. People mostly associate Tgs with sex icons.
And I know what you mean about the fanciful scenario of shemales trying to entice men by deception. "Tranny-surprise" and such like are very successful websites rooted to that fantasy.

a mental problem at best, a sexual kink as worst
Modern society is still staggering on its weak legs. Its ignoring the issue of identity crisis. I would like to add here that:
For the general mass, the physical form is all that is true, the mental reality is still "not scientific enough". After all you cannot touch the mind, or see it or put it in a test tube! But may be, just may be there is a very slow shift towards acceptance of psychological concepts.

[SHEMALE_SEEKER]

True True...

[sesame]

Thx sml-skr, buddy!
Now that "Miss Athena" is out of the scene, there's no point for me to hit my head on this thread anymore.:(
Adios, ciao, for sometime.

[Bionca]

OK you guys are really sweet.. thanks :hug:

I graduated with a degree in Social Work, with a minor in Anthropology (don't ask).

The hooker issue is also in part because, well for lots of us it's the best option for money. Hormones aren't cheep and aren't covered by most insurance (particularly for the younger girls), any feminization surgeries are also VERY expensive and not covered. There is little legally that can be done if you get fired after anouncing you are going to transition, and having the appearance of a woman, but the paperwork of a man makes it hard to get a proper job. So, escorting is a way to get by, particularly for poor women. It's a catch 22, we are thought of as hookers and treated as such, we often have to become hookers because we can't get another job that would pay even close.

Science is actually starting to show some physical indications that gender identity is "hard wired" in the brain. A few years ago a doctor did autopsies on some post-op women and looked at their brains. He found that the structure of the brain was identical to genetic women's. The sample size was too small to make anything conclusive (only 6 people), but 100% of them had the same structural differances from male brains. For example, the portion of the brain that deals with language is larger in women than men, and the connections between the right and left sides are more developed in women. Given that the brain is fully developed well before sex organs are developed, this would seem to confirm that many transwomen are correct when we say we "have always been women".

The more this is studied as a medical condition rather than a "disorder", I think the more we will discover. The more we discover, the more comfortable people will be and the more people will understand that some girls are born with an innie and some are born with an outie.

[sesame]

As you say doctor.;)
In fact I believe that man and woman are not at all different. One is "just a hormone away" from the other. Poetically speaking.

[sesame]

Athena, I mean Bionca, au revoir my friend.
See you again in some 16 hours.:innocent:

[sesame]

Before I go... Whats that innie outie thing you just enounced?

[Bionca]

Before I go... Whats that innie outie thing you just enounced?

Genitalia (innie = vagina/outie = penis)

:D:eek:

[Bionca]

As you say doctor.;)
In fact I believe that man and woman are not at all different. One is "just a hormone away" from the other. Poetically speaking.

The theory of "Brain sex" is still pretty new, but it is being backed up with some pretty strong observations. It could be argued that gender is simply the way we are brought up, and there are plenty of men and women who do not conform to typical "male" and "female" behaviors who have no issue with their identity as a man or woman.

However, here is some pretty strong evidence from studying children that there is *something* to the idea that boys and girls relate to the world in a differing way. Not to mention some gendered behaviors that are held across cultures and times.

[sesame]

Athena: goddess of wisdom, Minerva.
Pretty indepth stuff you are broadcasting, Bionca! I think these things should be made known to as many people as possible. But then only a few can digest this stuff.:yes:
People in general are happy go nescient. But the odd thing is that most have got an aversion towards knowledge!!!
Still it is a good thing to try and pass on the information.

[sesame]

By the way, I just remembered something. As embryos, all are born the same. Then after some foetal development, the boys and girls genitalia start to segregate into different organs from the same parent organ. And this much is true:
glans of penis=clitoris
testes=ovaries

[sesame]

Also congrats on reaching the magic number of 41. That is of occult significance in this site. :)

[Bionca]

I didn't really intend to get so "heavy" here, but I'm pleased that it's been so well received. I do agree that most people avoid learning things, particularly things that contradict tradition and time honored beliefs.

One theory as to how a person can have an identity contrary to their sex has to do with hormone levels in the womb after brain development and before sex expression. It is hard to prove because the adults who had been "estrogenated" would have to self-report to the DR conducting the study. It also fails to address transmen, since the same or similar washing of testosterone has not been seen to happen.

so umm... what happens with 41, aside from Life the universe and...everrything?

[belfagar]

Everybody knows the magic number is really 42. Ask Douglas Adams.

[Bionca]

Dang my bad... I lost Nerd points

Farewell and thanks for all the fish...

[belfagar]

Isnt it "so long and thanx for all the fish".

[Bionca]

you made me get my copy and check :p. it is "Thanks" :D

[Bionca]

... and "so long"

[belfagar]

:lol: sorry for the slang :lol:

[sesame]

Hi ppl, is anybody in the club? Am I too early or seriously late?:innocent:

[sesame]

What "Fishy" stuff is going on? All I know is that certain type of reptiles can change the sex of their eggs from male to female or vice-versa according to the need of the species. Cool huh? I think they just adjust the humidity and temperature during the incubation.

[sesame]

I say wise-girl this sounds a little contradictory.
how a person can have an identity contrary to their sex has to do with hormone levels in the womb after brain development and before sex expression
Since we know that sex is determined during the union of sperm and ovum. As the cellulor nuclei combine and fuse their genetic content during zygote formation, sex is determined by the type of chromosome in the donated sperm.
If the sperm is Y type, then the resulting cell will become XY (as the egg is always X) and a male baby will ensue.
If on the other scenario, the sperm is X type, the baby will be female or XX.
The rest of the nine months of pregnancy is just duplication of the same cell bearing the same resulting gene to form the millions of cells that construct this body. Although cells take up different functions and form different tissues and ultimately the various organs, etc. Brain cells, heart cells, bone cells, muscle cells and so on.:yes:
My point is sex is NOT determined after brain development, it is done immediately after the fusion of the sperm and ovum.:cool:

[Bionca]

I say wise-girl this sounds a little contradictory.

Since we know that sex is determined during the union of sperm and ovum. As the cellulor nuclei combine and fuse their genetic content during zygote formation, sex is determined by the type of chromosome in the donated sperm.
If the sperm is Y type, then the resulting cell will become XY (as the egg is always X) and a male baby will ensue.
If on the other scenario, the sperm is X type, the baby will be female or XX.
The rest of the nine months of pregnancy is just duplication of the same cell bearing the same resulting gene to form the millions of cells that construct this body. Although cells take up different functions and form different tissues and ultimately the various organs, etc. Brain cells, heart cells, bone cells, muscle cells and so on.:yes:
My point is sex is NOT determined after brain development, it is done immediately after the fusion of the sperm and ovum.:cool:

At it's most simple, yes. But XX/XY are not the only chromosome combinations, XXY and XYX for example, an estimated 20% of the population does not have a tidy XX/XY chromosome combination.

Even so, what I was talking about was called "estrogenation". The foetus, developing as normal, will sometimes be exposed to higher than normal levels of estrogen. The theory is this affects the way the foetal brain develops since this. Extreem estrogenation is thought to be one of the reasons for intersex births (children born with "ambiguous genitalia" or rarely hermaphrodytism). Perhaps a less extreem change in the hormonal soup that surrounds a developing foetus would cause the conditions that lead to Gender Identiy Disorder or Gender Dysphoria.

Good conversation.. I like this

[sesame]

Ya ya doctor, but not all that comes out of those luscious lips are true.
Exhibit some reliable references and I will agree. As I am offering you.
1) Prior to & during pregnancy, a hearty diet consisting of lots of sugar, rich in nutrients, Na (sodium), Ca (calcium), Vit-C, E, B12 increase chances of having a male child. ~ {study, published in the U.K. journal, the Proceedings of the Royal Society B. Related to: Fiona Mathews of the University of Exeter in England }
Actually this diet tampers the ph level , the acid-alkali balance is taken to an optimum condition which encourages the Y-gened-sperms to flourish easily inside the uterus. (and perhaps hinders the X-sperms?) (actually some sperms even meet the ovum inside the Fallopian tube!)
Ref site (http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/1951).

2) In ayurveda and yoga books some are of opinion that if the blood of the mother is Alkaline during mating, the child will be male; and acidic will lead to female.

[Bionca]

Sexual differentiation of the mammalian brain starts during fetal development and continues after birth (Kawata, 1995; Swaab et. al., 2001). It is hypothesised that in humans, in common with all other mammals studied, hormones significantly influence this dimorphic development although, at present, the exact mechanism is incompletely understood. It is also postulated that these hormonal effects occur at several critical periods of development of the sexual differentiation of the brain during which gender identity is established, initially during the fetal period, then around the time of birth; and also post-natally. Factors which may contribute to an altered hormone environment in the brain at the critical moments in its early development might include genetic influences (Landèn, 1999; Coolidge et. al, 2002) and/or medication, environmental influences (Diamond et. al., 1996; Whitten et. al., 2002), stress or trauma to the mother during pregnancy (Ward et. al., 2002; Swaab et. al., 2002).

http://www.gires.org.uk/Web_Page_Assets/Etiology_definition_signed.htm

You seem to be making a point about biological sex. However, this is not the same as Gender. One's gender is part of their personal identity, the way we understand ourselves on a fundimental level. I'm not sure if you are making a point that Gender Dysphoria is has no biological cause or if you are stating that the male/female sex can be modified during gestation.

[sesame]

In my last post I didnt say anything for or against alteration of or influence on human sexual behavior caused by hormonal disbalance or medicinal or chemical induction. What I said is that the embryo being male or female is just not a whim of nature, not some silly permutaion of genes, or "chance". It has a reason or science behind it. And the more we learn, the more we know about the laws of nature. Otherwise we humans would still be sitting in front of caves and eating raw meat from the last woolly mammoth hunt!
I also want you to know that I strongly believe: we are basically Human. Man is the same as woman, give and take a few hormones. Also, its all a matter of the mind. We are what we believe.

[Bionca]

:) Then we have essentially been talking about two different things. The cause of a person's sex (M/F) is understood to a greater degree, along with the host of variable X and Y chromsome combinations, than the cause of a person's gender. s gender simply a social construct? Are there biological differances aside from physicality between the sexes? What causes a person with a typical sex understand themselves to be a member of the other?

You are correct in that we are all human and individuals. Our commonalities are far greater than any differances.

[ocinteeni]

Bionica I have to say after reading that rant, that if thats what you expect you are gonna be let down, its true what you are saying however we cant expect society to change like that. Instead to find happiness you find it in a few people who all understand you, if you think about it thats pretty much why this foruym exists. Many of us, I am assuming, probably don't reveal our love for transexuals to our family or friends. So we vent here, just like there are transexual clubs gay ckubs etc. The idea is think globablly act locally, in other words its good to have the viewpointsthat you have, (your idea about science needed to make a stand about the issue and all), but just try to consolidate it amongst a few good people. And if those people love you and care about you sal gooood, you know what i mean?

And Bionica I think you should no problem find someone good for you, by what I read in this thread you are a smart gal, your more than just a pretty face.

Anyways I hope you find what you are looking for;)

[sesame]

The cause of a person's sex (M/F) is understood to a greater degree, along with the host of variable X and Y chromsome combinations, than the cause of a person's gender.
Summery: Sex and Gender are two different things according to you. Right?

Sex= the physical appearence aquired by birth
Gender= mental makeup which tells you whether you are male or female irrespective of the biological sexual organs you possess.

If the above is true, then YES, gender is psychological. It is an acquired condition, which is fully influenced by my personal history (experiences), social interaction, independent thinking, environment and of-course physical condition (including hormone balance prevailing the body)

[sesame]

Are there biological differances aside from physicality between the sexes
What do you mean by physicality? External physical appearence?
By biological differences you must include the internal organs and the hormones secreted or ingested; Because that can radically modify the physiological mechanism of a human being.

[lov2]

wow deep very deep

[Bionca]

What do you mean by physicality? External physical appearence?
By biological differences you must include the internal organs and the hormones secreted or ingested; Because that can radically modify the physiological mechanism of a human being.

BY physicality I'm talking about the differances in the body between men and women. Physical strength, Pain threshold, body hair, body fat distribution. The things that can be measured happening within the body. These differances are easy to see and understand - and sometimes modify by varying hormone levels.

The question being posed by some scientists is if gender identity has a physiological componant. It is hard to determine because we can only express identity in emotional or psychological terms "I FEEL like a woman", "I have never been COMFORTABLE as a man", "I don't RELATE to my body". The words sound subjective because science has not determined if, in fact, men and women are actually fundimentally different mentally and emotionally, or if our ideas of what it is to FEEL like a man/woman are purely artifical and used to prop up gender roles and "appropriate" gendered behaviors.

So far the best evidence is saying that our gender identity can be influenced by hormone levels in the womb, and also by post natal hormone levels. An example (that fits with the theme of this site) would be a Thai Ladyboy who identified as male, but due to economic reasons started to take hormones to make money as a "bar girl". Estrogen will affect us physically and emotionally and over a few years some "male identified" ladyboys will honestly say they "Feel like women" and some even opt for sex reassignment surgery or stay as a ladyboy long after their profitability as a "bar girl" is long past.

Still other (like myself) simply never considered that we were male. I'd tell everyone I was a girl, I'd get in arguements with adults who'd call me a boy. This was happening in very early childhood - before age 5. My mother even wrote my first teacher to warn her that "He sometimes thinks he's a girl". So, simply from my own history, the idea that high levels of estrogen were present as my brain was forming makes sence. Essentailly that Gender Identity as a physical/biological cause.

[sesame]

Ok, I cannot argue with your first hand experience. Whatever I say would only be scientific guesses compared to your real life experiences.
But one thing intrigues me though. Why do you focus so much on Oestrogen? Well, there are other female hormones too. Is it a general term for a cocktail of all major female hormones? Like:
Estrogen= A general term for female steroid sex hormones that are secreted by the ovary and responsible for typical female sexual characteristics.
As you must know, there are four major female hormones:
1)Oestrogen ;)
3 sub-categories= (a)Estrodial from ovaries =main; (b) estrone from adrenal gland; (c)estriol from Lever.
And the rest are:
2)Progesterone
3)Follicle Stimulating Hormone
4)LH

What special import does estrogen have for the T-girls?
Is it because one of oestrogen's many properties is fat distribution on the hips, breasts, abdomen, thighs, buttocks and all such :kiss: curvy areas :kiss: that makes an ideal "soft bodied" female?:rolleyes:

[Bionca]

Yes, using Estrogen as a generic term. Most people understand Testosterone and Estrogen and that's where it stops. Estrogen is important to T-gals for the very reasons you mentioned with the addition of making the skin softer. This is taken along with anti-Androgens to lessen the production of testosterone. The lessening of testosterone has the effect of stopping male pattern baldness, eventually lessening and stopping the growth of body hair (except facial hair unfortunately) and allows the female hormones to work more effciently to feminize the body.

[Bionca]

Well to lighten the discussion a little, I did find some pics I had from a while ago. I'm not using my computer, so these are photos I sent to my brother.. he's such a sweet sillydork for keeping these.

The B&W one is from a brief try at modeling I did 3 years ago. Yes.. I was blond

The head shot (cropped to protect the innocent) was probably 6 years ago, when I first really started to pass. No surgeries yet.

[Bionca]

hmm maybe with the pics this time...

[belfagar]

Your Pretty Hot.... Wow

[sesame]

OooooooooooooooHoooooooo!! :inlove:(imagine the voice from Adam's Family cartoons):lol:
A ravishing blonde! :drool:
And a kind looking angelic brunette!!
Are both of them you? :innocent:

[sesame]

Tell me if you have other pictures elsewhere... I would love to see some more. Yeah, you Aphrodite! You have been hiding the real goodies from us for so long. :yes:
It is a crime to deprive us!
Show us more.... more.... now....your eyes are feeling heavy.....do as i say...( :lol: desperately trying to hypnotise you:p )

[Bionca]

Yes the blond was a silly attempy a few years ago to model ( don't we all try to model at some point). The face pic is really old, like 7 years old well before I started hormones and before my surgery. I'm sure you can see the guy features there under that (fake) hair. ;)

[sesame]

:no: I dont see nothin bad baby (answering in hip hop style)
Only words like delicious, attraction, magnetic and heavenly beauty are coming to my mind.
I'm sure you can see the guy features there under that (fake) hair
Why, I don' see damn nothin Laidie!! Everythin is hot an' smoking around you.:yes:

[Bionca]

Tell me if you have other pictures elsewhere... I would love to see some more. Yeah, you Aphrodite! You have been hiding the real goodies from us for so long. :yes:
It is a crime to deprive us!
Show us more.... more.... now....your eyes are feeling heavy.....do as i say...( :lol: desperately trying to hypnotise you:p )

:lol:

too funny. A gal would be crazy to post to many pics on a site devoted to gals who are paid to look good. That and I've read comments about some stunning TGs here.. you all can be pretty critical. ;)

That and I think I have posted 3x the viewing material as 99.9% of the rest of you :p

[sesame]

You've only 2 hot hot hot photographs to show us? Shame!:frown:
Or,
Its a pity that you have so scarce a collection! :no:
Or,
Look into my eye, keep looking, you are feeling sleepy now... your eyes are so heavy... drowsy.... sleepy....you can only hear me as a voice in your head...do as I say... post all your hot, fashionable, pictures... now...do it... Yesssss....:p
Did I hypnotise you? So you are going to show us more, right?:lol:

[sesame]

That and I think I have posted 3x the viewing material as 99.9% of the rest of you
What? Where? When? I did'nt see any? Have I been dreaming?

[sesame]

3x means THREE TIMES ... that was for all those people who have twisted minds.

[sesame]

"post op pre op or Generic"
What do they mean exactly? I wont mind if you go into details .:D



Also what do the Tgs do with the voice problem. You know, a heavy husky voice is good for a guy but for a girl it should be shrill and melodious.. tuneful, may be ?;)

[fem-fem]

I could fly thousands miles for you baby!
You are so so so pretty and sweet!
I love you since ever.

[Bionca]

"post op pre op or Generic"
What do they mean exactly? I wont mind if you go into details .:D



Also what do the Tgs do with the voice problem. You know, a heavy husky voice is good for a guy but for a girl it should be shrill and melodious.. tuneful, may be ?;)

1) (a) Post-op girls are had surgery to convert the penis into a vagina. Mind you, there is no "cutting off" or removing, the penis is literally used to form the vagina (b) Pre-op is a girl who has not had the operation and still has a penis that may or may not function depending of hormones. (c) "generic".. I think you meant "Genetic" women - women who were assigned "female" as birth who do not have any gender Identity issues. (d) you forgot non-op gals.. girls who are happy with a transsexual body or realize they will probably never have enough money for genital surgey. The penis may or may nor be fully functional.

2) Pesonally, I passes for a woman mush easier on the phone.. just always sounded like my mom. But yes, lots of gals have husky or "camp" gay men's voices. Voice training with a vocal coach can really help.

[belfagar]

Beautiful And Smart. If you ask me it can't get better.:inlove:

[Bionca]

Beautiful And Smart. If you ask me it can't get better.:inlove:

Thanks :) :hug:

I disagree with the first part, but appreciate the compliments:D

[belfagar]

The picture speaks for itself. And anyone who can discuss the zygote is pretty smart.

[Bionca]

The picture speaks for itself. And anyone who can discuss the zygote is pretty smart.

We could discuss physics - I'll show you that I can be a pretty big bubble-head then :)

[belfagar]

Well Than? Where is a common place to find half-intergers in particle physics?

She asked for it.

[Bionca]

*eyes glass over as she smiles*

I dunno

*shrugs*

Yes ladies and gents, the great American Bubble-Head.. full of air and slowly leaking..

[sesame]

there is no "cutting off" or removing, the penis is literally used to form the vagina
You mean, using the Glans of the penis to create the Clitoris? ...Because, thats where the sex nerves are most thoroughly distributed. Otherwise, there would be no "Real" feeling left in the genital organ.
I dont know where the skin will go in a vagina ( probably external labia), or where does the shaft fit in. May be the urinal tract will perform the same function in the new vagina?

[sesame]

A fermion: a particle with half-integer spin
Right, Belfagar?
On 2nd thoughts, I should add Baryons.

[sesame]

I feel like Harry Potter in Horace Slughorn's class!
Answering to spin of sub-atomic-particles, in here?:lol:
Well "Blame it on Rio", I mean belfagar.:p

[Joebad]

Hmm, a discussion of particle physics, psychology, physiology, biology and the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Has someone engaged the improbobility drive?


Seriously though Bionca,
It's hard to find a soul mate. I'm 50 and I still haven't. Don't let a few jerks discourage you. There are a great number of jerks out there so odds are that you are going to meet quite a few.
Adding your uniqeness to the equation makes finding the right one even harder.
You should know that some guys will do things when they are horny that they might regret having done after they've climaxed. That's why they can act so strange. It's much like a drug addiction.
A guy might believe in his heart that it's wrong to have sex with you, yet he is still very sexually attracted to you. He forgets his heartfelt beliefs and follows his penis. Afterwards he feels guilty.
He may blame you for turning him into a fag, a queer, gay, etc. He also may lash out at you verbally or even physically, so be very careful even though you've been upfront about who you are from the start.
When you are going out with a new guy find out all that you can about him and let someone else (a friend or a relative) know. Also, it's a good idea to non-chalantly let him know that someone knows that you are with him.
Wishing you peace, joy and love,
Joebad :hug:

[Bionca]

Thanks Joebad, I guess I understand why guys react the way they do... but I'm surprised at how common the reaction is. For example, the guy who I went out with twice - he was so keen to get things started, to the point I almost didn't put out because I was feeling a little pressure from him to do so, but after the first non-sex date I figured he was cool. I just don't know. Every T-girl I know is single, all of them who are actively seeking a relationship get offers for dates promising that the guy is "relationship minded" and all of them end up feeling like they were just used for sex.

It's hardly unique to T-gals, genetic girls get the same treatment. But the number of GG's in a relationship is much higher than TGs. It's a bit baffling to me.

You are 100% correct about safety. Women get beat and raped on dates, gay guys get beat and raped on dates, and TGs get a to deal with both sides. I have a friend who will call my cell phone while I'm on a date, just to let my date know that I have friends watching out for me. I also would never ever meet someone for the first time in private. Always meet for coffee, if things seem cool and safe.. then maybe we can go someplace more quiet. The meet me for coffee bit also weeds out the guys who are expecting an escort or who would be afraid to be seen with a girl like me in public.

[Bionca]

You mean, using the Glans of the penis to create the Clitoris? ...Because, thats where the sex nerves are most thoroughly distributed. Otherwise, there would be no "Real" feeling left in the genital organ.
I dont know where the skin will go in a vagina ( probably external labia), or where does the shaft fit in. May be the urinal tract will perform the same function in the new vagina?

They use as much of the penis as they can. I don't know a ton about the actual procedeure, I figure I'll cross that bridge when and if I come to it. I do know that the procedeure of removing the testicles and sack (to reduce prodution of testosterone) is no longer performed by most doctors because it limits what they have to work with when creating the vagina.

[russellwu]

We could discuss physics - I'll show you that I can be a pretty big bubble-head then :)

Physics? Now that's my kind of girl. ;)

[Joebad]

They use as much of the penis as they can. I don't know a ton about the actual procedeure, I figure I'll cross that bridge when and if I come to it.

That is another thing that complicates your situation. If you meet someone who desires you as you are now, will he still desire you if you cross that bridge?

If he really loves you, I guess he will, but that would be a bad time to find out that he is too shallow. Just when you would need love and support the most.

I think that could be a good question to poll the group about. I'm not quite sure how to word it, but the gist would be: If you were find the perfect pre-op transgender woman in real life, would you still desire her post-op?

[sesame]

Every T-girl I know is single
Now that equation looks really sad from here.
May be demography doesnt apply to witty A-graders like Bionca here.;)
C'mon ladies, cheer up a bit, were not lost in Sahara desert for heaven's sake! We live in a randomly mixed up society with a miscellany of tastes for partners. Random like psychedelic bubbles! So everyone gets their cozy partner sooner or later.:hug:

[Bionca]

I must say the Internet has helped form a community where trans-folks and their admirers can meet up. The downside is we are a pretty small and widely spread group of people. I have mede a number of really good friends that I will probably never meet face to face. It's good to know that I'm not alone, but doesn't help the lack of quality dates.

One thing I have noticed, and this could just be my own observation and not anything more....

Guys who seem like they have a good heart and are honest and sincere seem to be located in really rural places. The chances of a cute TG living in Corn City Iowa is pretty pathetically low. Or they have a desire to meet a nice, smart, sweet TG to see where things lead; but find vapid, silly, selfish gals. While the gals who want quality and substance, not a sugar-daddy or one-off experimentation can't seem to find them. I suppose the advice to keep looking is the best. :hug:

[sesame]

Yeahhhh,
Far far away...:(:broken:
People with similar interests are often separated by the width of the globe.
But dont let the sadness spread. Just capture it in your heart and linger on.
Life is not about what you dont have, but about what you have achieved.
Rest assured, you have already achieved something.:yes:

[sesame]

living in Corn City Iowa Hmmm, ;)
A lot of people are eagerly noting down that address right now!
Expect a knock on your door soon, girl!:D
May be expect thumps on that heavy door from a dozen suitors.:rolleyes:

[Bionca]

Dang.. to bad I don't live in Corn City (don't even know if the place exists). Like all right-thinking T-girls, I'm living in an urban area. Maybe I should visit some small towns while I have some free time.. any suggestions anyone?


;)

[sesame]

Don't let a few jerks discourage you
Thats a very sound advice. If your heart can love, you will find a soulmate, no matter what. ... Because Love always wins.
Bless us loveseekers, O Father who is in Heaven, Amen.
:innocent:

[Bionca]

I think that could be a good question to poll the group about. I'm not quite sure how to word it, but the gist would be: If you were find the perfect pre-op transgender woman in real life, would you still desire her post-op?

I think that's a great question, but I wouldn't ask it. I don't think guys would feel comfortable saying "no" if asked by a TG. I'd like to think that we fall in love with people, and we love our partners nomatter how their bodies change.

Realistically, though, sexual attraction is important in a relationship and part of that is desire for your partner's body. I know lots of people who love their partners, but lose sexual interest after they gain weight, get in an accident that scars their face, things like that. They love their partners, and wouldn't leave them, but the desire isn't there. I'd imagine the same would be true for someone who was attracted to pre-op TGs. They may stay in the relationship out of love or loyalty, but maybe the attraction would lessen...

[brianna]

Bionca- You really apear to be a sweet, intelligent & attrative girl. With your outgoing personality, your bound to find the right one. But, as with all of us, we can't know when the right one will cross our path, so in the meantime, be the best person you can be, and be happy and satisfied as a single person until the time comes. So many others have jumped into relationships with the wrong people, and have regretted it.

It may take some time before the transgendered are accepted among the majority of Americans, but it has to get better. Be who you are!

If you're ever in the Miami/Ft Lauderdale area, let me know. Lots of love....

[Bionca]

Miami huh???

Well I do have two options for a job assignment doing outreach and mentoring for runaway GLBT youth in either Miami or L.A. It seems like a good project trying to get the kids off the street and provide them with some living skills - like getting a job, paying bills, balancing a checkbook, as well as showing productive adult role models that they can relate to.

So... I may be in Miami in a couple months (or L.A.)

Also, thanks - I'm actually enjoying being single. I haven't been single since I was 20, so it's just taking some adjustment.

[brianna]

Sounds like very worthwhile work. A chance to have a positive effect on many young people. ... Although I'm turning in now, I'll be keeping an eye on your posts to see what's up. I just joined yesterday, and it seems like an interesting forum. Plenty of guys, but with that comes a lot of guys' thoughts/opinions. 'night...

[sesame]

be the best person you can be, and be happy and satisfied as a single person until the time comes
That is pure wisdom. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with all of us.:rolleyes:

[sesame]

I may be in Miami in a couple months (or L.A.)
Ding!!:yes:
Luukin Fd 2 eet!!

[BlueRaven88]

if i had my life to a point where i was more independant, and if i lived in the good ol' U.S of A then i would definately ask you out. you are totally cute and any guy who says otherwise is a nutjob.

[Bionca]

I have always wanted to visit my friend Mike in Sydney.. I know not even close to you, but the same hemisphere. I have to say that I have a soft spot for Aussie guys ... :respect:

[curiousguy51973]

Wow. Just read through this thread. Have to say Bionca, you are a very intelligent woman. Way out of my league there, my loss i guess. As far as looks. To see your pictures i would no way imagine that your were not GG if you hadn't said it.
There are so many things to say to all the question posed.
What i will say is this, If you ever find yourself in the midwest I would love to meet you for coffee. Nothing further, just pick your brain and get to know somebody. Good luck in your search for love. I was married, divorced, engaged, and dumped before I found a woman to love who loved me. It is hard enough for "straight" people (sorry, couldnt think of any other way to word it) i can't imagine what it would be like for you.
And this is where i go back to the shallow end of the pool. This thread got way deep for me.

[cdp206]

Bionca - stunning thread and very useful insight. Pity you're not on this side of the pond really. Given your considered discursive technique, etc, a full-blown night of conversation with you would probably be as stimulating as anything else - more so in fact!

An intelligent, witty and good-looking woman such as yourself is very hard to find and you put your case and situation forward very well and I for one am glad you have. I have nothing but respect and admiration for you. I hope you find love soon and that someone sees you for who you are and not what they might expect you to be. I don't know about anyone else, but I feel as I though I know you already - if that's not being too presumptuous!

Given your broad range of interests, it would be very good to get to know you - talk late into the night and put the world to rights!

All the very best wishes.

CDP

[Bionca]

Wow. Just read through this thread. Have to say Bionca, you are a very intelligent woman. Way out of my league there, my loss i guess. As far as looks. To see your pictures i would no way imagine that your were not GG if you hadn't said it.
There are so many things to say to all the question posed.
What i will say is this, If you ever find yourself in the midwest I would love to meet you for coffee. Nothing further, just pick your brain and get to know somebody. Good luck in your search for love. I was married, divorced, engaged, and dumped before I found a woman to love who loved me. It is hard enough for "straight" people (sorry, couldnt think of any other way to word it) i can't imagine what it would be like for you.
And this is where i go back to the shallow end of the pool. This thread got way deep for me.

:hug: Thanks.. I lurve coffee, so it's a deal. You are correct TGs don't have the market cornered on looking for love. It has gotten easer though, I can't imagine how it would be without the Internet.

[Bionca]

Bionca - stunning thread and very useful insight. Pity you're not on this side of the pond really. Given your considered discursive technique, etc, a full-blown night of conversation with you would probably be as stimulating as anything else - more so in fact!

An intelligent, witty and good-looking woman such as yourself is very hard to find and you put your case and situation forward very well and I for one am glad you have. I have nothing but respect and admiration for you. I hope you find love soon and that someone sees you for who you are and not what they might expect you to be. I don't know about anyone else, but I feel as I though I know you already - if that's not being too presumptuous!

Given your broad range of interests, it would be very good to get to know you - talk late into the night and put the world to rights!

All the very best wishes.

CDP


:lol: I have my moments where I babble on and sometimes it sounds like I know stuff. I really like when that happens. A night on conversation.. how wonderful is that??!! Coffee and comfy chairs and getting lost in an easy conversation that wanders from topic to topic until all thought of time evaporates. Yumm!!:cool:

[Bionca]

And.. I'm off to go dancing. Wish me luck. Perhaps I'll trip over Prince Charming on the way to the dance floor..:rolleyes: :lol:

[justalittlecurious]

"My only really carved in stone expectations are respect, understanding, and honesty. Ideally one would play around with the particulars of personality during the dating part."

"Personally, I'd rather be treated like a person you want to impress (on the first few dates). Not like someone you are obligated to take out for drinks just so you can get in her panties."



The first thing I quoted there is, in my eyes, absolutely true for any relationship. Your three minimum requirements are very feasible, which when coupled with the fact that you don't have a preconceived notion of personality makes your search seem headed in the right direction.

The second quote just makes me tingle. You are a person first, a woman second. Anyone who bypasses the first is not worth your time nor energy. And probably would be too self obsessed to do anything worthwhile were they to get into your panties.


In reading the previous posts, it's obvious that many think that you are beautiful. I agree. But your inner beauty is what really shines after reading this thread. Though you may not know who, and he may not know yet at all, I'm sure that you will find someone to love and cherish you for who you are, and not what you are. (Physical) beauty is only skin deep and I am convinced from the intelligent, honest and overall realistic way that you have described yourself that yours goes far, far further than a few layers of skin.

I wish you all the luck in the world, though with your impressive list of activities (what guy wouldn't want a beautiful girlfriend who loves to play video games?) and that beautiful smile, I'm sure my well-wishing will not be what gets you where you're going.

[Bionca]

Well, what are the odds...

I went to a gay club with my gayboy friends. I have no intention of meeting anyone, just having a good time with fun people and good music. Well... I met a fella :eek:

Total Straight friend of a friend thing. He was in the club with a couple of his pals who had dated a couple of my friends. We all hung out and he finally told me he had never seen such a natural looking Drag Queen. After I composed myself after nearly falling over laughing, I thanked him for the compliment and told him I was a Transsexual. He asked about my operation status (no op as yet and maybe never) along with some "get to know" conversation. He was funny charming and ... CUTE!

We went to breakfast (all of us) and he offered to take me home. Now momma didn't raise no dummy, and I have been sex-less for the better part of a year. I also kinda liked him since he didn't focus on my crotch in conversation and was really silly (humor really turns me on).

We went to his place... and talked more and watched the sun rise. He confessed that he was curious about "special girls", but wasn't gay. He was shy and awkward and there was a mixture of eagerness and apprehension. Here I had a 28 yearold ex-marine acting like a smitten schoolboy.

After some reassurances on my part and some gentle coaxing kisses I allowed him to explore my body with his hand and lips. We found ourselves eventually quite compatible sexually.

We spent the rest of Sunday together drinking coffee and generally "hanging out".

[sesame]

In short, its like living a dream?:D
Enjoy every moment of yo life.

[Ayo4Yayo]

Well, what are the odds...

I went to a gay club with my gayboy friends. I have no intention of meeting anyone, just having a good time with fun people and good music. Well... I met a fella :eek:

Total Straight friend of a friend thing. He was in the club with a couple of his pals who had dated a couple of my friends. We all hung out and he finally told me he had never seen such a natural looking Drag Queen. After I composed myself after nearly falling over laughing, I thanked him for the compliment and told him I was a Transsexual. He asked about my operation status (no op as yet and maybe never) along with some "get to know" conversation. He was funny charming and ... CUTE!

We went to breakfast (all of us) and he offered to take me home. Now momma didn't raise no dummy, and I have been sex-less for the better part of a year. I also kinda liked him since he didn't focus on my crotch in conversation and was really silly (humor really turns me on).

We went to his place... and talked more and watched the sun rise. He confessed that he was curious about "special girls", but wasn't gay. He was shy and awkward and there was a mixture of eagerness and apprehension. Here I had a 28 yearold ex-marine acting like a smitten schoolboy.

After some reassurances on my part and some gentle coaxing kisses I allowed him to explore my body with his hand and lips. We found ourselves eventually quite compatible sexually.

We spent the rest of Sunday together drinking coffee and generally "hanging out".

:turnon:

that's HOTTTT. So what does "with his hands and lips" mean
hahah. Great post

[milesfink]

Way to go....I am thrilled for you to find someone...must be great!


:yes:

[LoverofShemales]

I think I might be getting the hang of the way this works inasmuch the way the thread works. I'm bright but I'm not real smart:)

Very intersting line of dialogue... from physics to relationships. I guess you can't have one without the other.

I have to say I'm relieved to have found this forum because now I can see that there is a clear yet un-defined group of people who appreciate and are attracted to, whether sexually or not, transgender people. By un-defined I only mean that I know people who are gay and I know people that are bi and when I tell them I'm attracted to a woman with a penis, it kind of confuses them and although they obviously don't judge me... it's still different to them where their lifestyle would be considered alternative. Hmmm... I think that made sense!:confused:

I'd like to hear thoughts on that because if I need to be corrected in my terminology or attitude, I'd like to know. I've always tried to live my life with an open mind but amazingly ignorance will rear it's ugly head and I'll say something stupid and offend someone. So my apologies... your welcome to blast me if you want.

[Bionca]

:turnon:

that's HOTTTT. So what does "with his hands and lips" mean
hahah. Great post

Well inshort.. he kept bringing up how he "wasn't gay". We'd kiss and he'd pause because he "wasn't gay". Finally, I took his hands and ran them across my face and under my chin and asked if he was feeling a man's face, then to my breasts, then my stomach, then my hips, then my inner thigh.

Each time we moved from one part of the body to the next, he was calmer. Between each pregression I gave him a long soft kiss to punctuate that nothing hapening was the least bit homosexual. Except the part where half my lipstick rubbed off on his lips. I find that some teasing and coaxing with kisses tends to put guys at ease ;)

[sesame]

he kept bringing up how he "wasn't gay". We'd kiss and he'd pause because he "wasn't gay".
:lol: Thats sounds really funny; Like watching a film with Woody Allen in it.

The coaxing and relaxing part is understandable.
Have more fun!;)

[oldawg]

bionca, you are a very pretty girl, best of luck & keep us posted!

[curiousguy51973]

well congrats Bionca. Hope you have found something there.

[Bionca]

Well things aren't working out with the new guy. It seems that he was looking to play around, which is fine. I was planning to move out of state soon, so wasn't looking long term either.

I just got off the phone with him and his problem is.. he likes me TOO MUCH !!
He likes me too much and can't deal with it. He's didn't seem too worried about people knowing about me, and didn't seem to have a problem with my body (at all). He just wasn't expecting to have feelings for me - he "just wanted to get off regularly". :censored:

[sesame]

Hi Wisey,
Ah! I was hoping this ex-marine guy to fulfil your wishes. Darn! Dont get too upset, though. He seemed to be a nice man with good taste.(you described him to us);)
He "liked you too much"? There's no surprise, you are Absolutely Likable!:yes:
But I didnt get one thing straight. Since he was in for you so much, and not bothered about what people will say, why did he have to run? Some deep rooted psychological phobia implanted by the society perhaps?
"just wanted to get off regularly"
Now what in sweet heaven does that mean?

[Bionca]

Maybe he did have problems with being seen with a TS, maybe not - I don't know. It sounded like he was just after some sex and when he started having feelings he freaked out. The crazy thing is I wasn't really even trying to have a serious relationship this time.

Even though he said he wasn't gay, he did say he had been with a few guys. His standard of being "not gay" was that he didn't feel anything for the guys- it was just sex. He assumed being with me would be the same as being with a guy.

He should have known I wasn't like a guy when I had him ... oh nevermind *evil grin*

[sesame]

He should have known I wasn't like a guy when I had him ... oh nevermind *evil grin*
Rawrrrrh! You naughty lustful ":p" !
Practically he IS gay, whether he imagines himself straight or not. Some people are really complicated, you know? Who is simple in this world? People have scores of hidden emotions, sometimes pushed back into the subconscious unknown to themselves!
And nowadays, everyone is looking around for some hot action. Just dry action, emotions securely locked up elsewhere. Strange!

[Bionca]

Well, everyone should be free to define their sexuality as best they understand it. As we all know there is gay and straight and a whole lot in between, just as there is man and woman and lots and lots in between as well. So, his definition of himself isn't a problem. His definition of ME was a problem.

[Bionca]

Rawrrrrh! You naughty lustful ":p" !
!

Now, I wouldn't want to post something that could be considered pornographic here.. it wouldn't fit the general theme of the forum. ;):lol:

[sesame]

Huff-puff :yes:
I get the picture, Yeah:)

[Bionca]

I have been thinking about the last guy, and I have to say I'm partly amused and partly a little angry that he was surprised that he liked me the way he likes women.

While I do have some typical "man" physical traits (aside from the crotch) I don't think I'm particularly "manish" in either my appearance or my manner or even in my personality (if a gender can be placed on personality).

Back to being completely baffled by guys I guess...

[sesame]

As far as your personality goes, you are a woman without a shred of doubt. I have never seen you apart from your avatar (plus those 2 imgs). But you look quite feminine in the photo.
What are your manly features? Let me guess... adam's apple perhaps, a small pelvis and a penis with nuts. You told us that you had facial reconstruction and got your body hairs removed. So, where is the "man" hiding?
We humans are social animals, we have our own idiosyncrasies. One of the human traits is, the need we feel for reaffirmation from our fellow humans, of the facts we already know as true. Call it mental weakness burned into our genes or collective psychology. If you look for assurance from outside, chances are you will be left wanting.:eek:
You have become a woman. You know it. But people of the world will always doubt it, once you reveal your secret. Make peace with this issue.:p

[Bionca]

As far as your personality goes, you are a woman without a shred of doubt. I have never seen you apart from your avatar (plus those 2 imgs). But you look quite feminine in the photo.
What are your manly features? Let me guess... adam's apple perhaps, a small pelvis and a penis with nuts. You told us that you had facial reconstruction and got your body hairs removed. So, where is the "man" hiding?
We humans are social animals, we have our own idiosyncrasies. One of the human traits is, the need we feel for reaffirmation from our fellow humans, of the facts we already know as true. Call it mental weakness burned into our genes or collective psychology. If you look for assurance from outside, chances are you will be left wanting.:eek:
You have become a woman. You know it. But people of the world will always doubt it, once you reveal your secret. Make peace with this issue.:p

adam's apple - yes. I'm tall for a woman 5'9". I have larger than normal feet. and manish hands. ugh my secret it out now.

You are correct I nee to make peace with the issue tha people with have an issue.

[SJTCurious]

Wow, I can only imagine how the struggle is. Finding love, or at least solid relationships is part luck in the best of situations. You have the support of everyone here in your journey.:heart:

[Bionca]

:D

Thanks!!!

You are right, finding even a good one is hard to do, not to mention "the right one" for everyone. I think I'm starting to like being single. It stinks because I'm painfully shy in person, but I do have some freedoms I didn't have before.

[sesame]

Yeah, think of a lonely soul hunting for a Lover in the desert!:innocent:

[sesame]

Practical Application of a Tip from Bionca:

Get me a little tipsy on anything from a grape and soon enough I'm silly and giggly and eventually in the corner with my lips on some random guy

Sesame offers Bionca her favourite bouquet of flowers.
What flowers do you like, Sweetness?:innocent:
Then he offers her wine which she cannot resist.
Finally he whispers in her ears, sheafs of poetry on her exquisite beauty.
How smart and wise she is.... She is, actually.:inlove:
And as she drinks more and more, Bionca the wise undergoes a startling transformation...
The fire of lust has been kindled!
Goddess to Lioness :drool:

[Bionca]

Well.. I do have a special place for the Iris. Not sure why, but I love the flower... Wysteria also (but more growing than in a bouquet).

As to the rest.. my good man, I'd be afraid I'd ruin you for future girls and that wouldn't be fair to them at all.

[sesame]

my good man, I'd be afraid I'd ruin you for future girls
Pardon me, senorita,
how can a sweet honeypot like yourself ruin me?:inlove:

[Bionca]

Pardon me, senorita,
how can a sweet honeypot like yourself ruin me?:inlove:

I'd set your expectations too high ... :innocent: and that wouldn't be fair to the next girl(s)

[marlowe]

Well.. I do have a special place for the Iris. Not sure why, but I love the flower...

The Iris was a favourite of the painter Georgia O'Keefe. Her many paintings of flowers are abstractions that also act as sexual metaphors.

The first pic below is called 'Light Iris' and the second 'Black Iris'.

Here's some quotes from Georgia O'Keefe:

"When you take a flower in your hand and really look at it, it's your world for the moment. I want to give that world to someone else. Most people in the city rush around so, they have no time to look at a flower. I want them to see it whether they want to or not."

"Making your unknown known is the important thing."

"You get whatever accomplishment you are willing to declare."

[handehki]

:turnon: Where is my lovely shemale :heart: :hug:

[Bionca]

Marlowe,

I love Georgis O'Keefe. Seriously one of my fave artists. Something about having a gigantic vagina disguised as a flower appeals to me.

[Justme]

Oh my, hope I'm not too late and have missed you, Bionca! You see, I happen to be a 19 y/o male from Ohio. Do you know the Mansfield area? That's where I'm located...anyway, if you'd like to get in touch, please reply to this and I can send a PM with my email address.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

[Bionca]

Justme.. I'm here posting away. After my last two guys I'm a little gun-shy, but still open to meeting a nice fella. I am very well aware of Mansfield - my mom grew up close to there and I probably have family there also.

If nothing else a new Internet friend will be a welcome addition to my life. :hug:

[mug3n]

U are a hottie cutie bionca! hehe, Im very curious! :respect:

[Show Me Love]

Don't Look Anymore! I'll Be Your Friend!
I'm Saying Officially - Bionka Be My Friend!

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____@________Bionka_______ @____
_____@____Be My Friend____@_____
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[Bionca]

OK.. so some real work went into the last message, and I'm REALLY impressed. Show Me Love... tell me about you... what you like, don't like, and what you are looking for.

I also feel I need to make one thing clear to you and any other guys who are looking to date me. I am proud to be Trans, and I am not ashamed of my past. Can you handle the likely event that your friends and family will know I was born a man?

[Show Me Love]

i like to impress beautiful and smart t-girls ))
i'm looking to make a dozen of millions dollas to make happy all the beautiful t-girls.
better say that is what i'm doing now

i'v sent u pm, B with info how to contact me.

[sesame]

Bionca,
How are your job interviews getting ahead?
Did you have a go at writing in a magazine?
I think you are a natural columnist. Honest :respect:

[Bionca]

The job search is going... I may have to do some temp work short-term and fall back on my college job to make ends meet... a the joy of in-home phone sex *shrug*.

I did start up my blog with a friend of mine. We'll see how that goes...

[sesame]

my blog with a friend of mine

Aha! Can I see it?:)
What is it about?

[mysticmyth]

I wish you much luck in your endeavors. Wish you were here. :respect:

[sesame]

Bionca,
I haven't seen your cheesecake pix,
neither do I really know how you look.
But one thing about you is clear of doubt:

You are witty and very brave.:innocent:

What more can anyone ask from a woman?
You have got all the strong points
for a good professional life,
and a personal life as well.
Cheers:respect:

[Bionca]

:hug:

Sesame.. you are one sweet guy!!

[sesame]

Hey, I'm not lying to get la**.;)
Truthfully, you are a smart bright girl.

How many girls are nearly as wise and clever as you?

We the citizens of TLBF, behold you with such high esteem!
My child, we expect great things from you.
Hmmm, the mayor will deliver the next speech.:p

[sesame]

Sesame.. you are one sweet guy!!
Look, everybody, she thinks, I am sweet.:rolleyes:

Now that I have been honoured by the Queen,
I am fearless. :cool:

[sesame]

Friendship is so sweet... "Grunt" "Grunt" "Grunt"

Friendship feels so cozy... "Grunt" "Grunt"

Frindship makes Life meaningful :p "Grunt"

[Mel Asher]

And Male Chauvinistic Pigs too - even when they meet up against Frigid Women ! And who doesn't like porking, eh ?

Mel

[sesame]

Hey, dont undermine a Sweet little Pig.
Haven't you seen "Babe: Pig in the city" ?

If you overlook their food habits, pigs are such sweet cuddly creatues. :D

Also, in Harry Potter stories, J. K. Rowling has named the
school of magic: Hogwarts
The inn is named: Hogshead!
The magical village: Hogsmead.

[Bionca]

I love piggies!! they are so cute!! and can be very nice pets.

[ItsmeLane]

In the past year I have broken up with my long-term b/f of 7 years. Unfortunately, we started to date shortly after I began my transition - so I have only really seriously dated this one guy (who turned out to be total crap). I won't date a guy who doesn't know that I was born with a guy body, aside from having an awkward conversation after emotional investment, I really don't want to put my safety at risk.

I have had 5 dates the past year - 3 of them stood me up (literally waiting at a coffee shop or restaurant alone for 30-45 min) and never heard from again. One guy took me out twice, first date was great, dinner and a movie with a very sweet kiss goodnight. Second date, just as nice and followed by a night of sex. He immediately left after an awkward silence. I saw him a couple days later and said "hi", he told me he "didn't like fags".

So, I'm here looking for somethign. I'm curious about guys who are interested in gals like me. Is this what I have to look forward to? One thing also, is I have been on Hormone treatment for 5 years, and I have not had an erection for some time - from reading here, that seems like the big deal-breaker for lots of guys.

I don't get it, I'm smart, funny and I guess pretty cute (the avatar is me from last summer). I'm just confused about guys and if I can actually find a functioning relationship with *ghasp* respect.

I would give away everything i own just for one date with you.. ive seen your threads youve made here and you are flat out amazing... and id love to get to know you more ona personal level. if you feel interested with me or maybe just want to talk message me on here or pm my yahoo..

[sesame]

Ok, Bionca is my ideal Tilf

Tilf == Tgirl I Love to Flirt (with)

[Bionca]

I would give away everything i own just for one date with you.. ive seen your threads youve made here and you are flat out amazing... and id love to get to know you more ona personal level. if you feel interested with me or maybe just want to talk message me on here or pm my yahoo..

GOOG GOLLY MAN!! never EVER *give* stuff away... sell that on EBay for pity sake (dates cost money after all).

Honestly...that's very sweet, I'm a bit blushy..

[Bionca]

Ok, Bionca is my ideal Tilf

Tilf == Tgirl I Love to Flirt (with)

You say that to all the gurlz

[sesame]

But I feel a pang in my heart to call her Tgirl.

There is no way of knowing that until she says so.

Bionca, you are the reason for many of us to be here.

We, I really really like to talk with you.:yes:

[Bionca]

But I feel a pang in my heart to call her Tgirl.

There is no way of knowing that until she says so.

Bionca, you are the reason for many of us to be here.

We, I really really like to talk with you.:yes:

my my my... I'd think that the lovely ladies in the board two up from here was the reason for the site's popularity. I fear I pale when compared to them.

[sesame]

I feel like an adolescent boy talking to a girl he secretly adores.

H'h'...H'hey... Hey-hey-hey...the-the-the-therr..there..

Hey there Bi-Bi-Bionca? (shaking, stammering, sweating...mouth dries up...:p)

[sesame]

A little something for someone I like. :p

[ItsmeLane]

GOOG GOLLY MAN!! never EVER *give* stuff away... sell that on EBay for pity sake (dates cost money after all).

Honestly...that's very sweet, I'm a bit blushy..

lol i guess.. if you can help me? pretty please? lol ill be a good boy...

[Bionca]

Sesame!!!!! That's one of the sweetest things ever!!! I feel like a git not seeing that lovely drawing until now. :hug::hug::hug:

[sesame]

Well? Does it look like you?:)

[mickster]

All you can do is don't give up , life is full of chances it's whether you take them or not, if you believe it's worth it go for it, you'll never know unless you chance it . You sound like a nice girl you deserve someone who is interested in you as a person and not be so judgemental . So take care and good luck in your quest .

[sophiesky]

New here,

Let me know if you end up in the miami area.

[Bionca]

Unfortunately, it looks like the Miami/LA gig went away.... sigh.

[mickster]

Hi, Around what area in Ohio I'm from the Akron/Cleveland area .Right now I stay in the Houston Tx. area.

[hankhavelock]

Bionca, for some reason I never fell over this thread - it may be the title "New and looking". Anyway, that's nice to know a bit more about your history. I wasn't aware that you came out of a 7 year long relationsship. I'm oc course flappergasted to read about the guy who told you that "I don't like fags" after having been with you - just out of curiosity, but didn't you tell him up front that you are a transsexual woman? But according to your posting you actually had sex with him - and he didn't complain during that?

Regarding you "big" secret - hands, feet and... - that's actually a thing I find so endearing about quite a few trans-women (remember, I've for some reason had my share of friends at your height too) that they get a little embarrassed about these socalled "manly" features. Instead view it a charming attribute - when "guys like me" fall for "girls like you" I'm quite certain that the majority of us not only expect that but also appreciate it as a cute and indeed attractive thing.

... oh shit... enuff talkin talkin talkin... you're a goddess Mizzy B and you know it... my personal favourite... MMMMMMWWWWWWWWAAAAA!!! :yes:

[sesame]

na na na nA NA na... :p

Do you have any news, why Bionca is Kinda absent from class for such a long time? :innocent:

Mizzy B, we are seriously mizzing Yah!:inlove:

[hankhavelock]

na na na nA NA na... :p

Do you have any news, why Bionca is Kinda absent from class for such a long time? :innocent:

Mizzy B, we are seriously mizzing Yah!:inlove:

Well, let's give her a wee bit of space... and if she ain't back in about two days we get worried... and send the marines... (the good ol' American problem-solving way ;-) Shit, she may even have joined them... Mizzy B in battle-fatiques :drool: especially the quasi-transparent vinyl stuff they use for WET WEATHER! OMG... just imagine our personal lill goddess coming in waltzing in her size 4000 like she's being a bit pissed about the outfit and complaining to the colonel.... "Sir, Mr. Colonel, Sir... this is an outrageously lousy vinyl-quality... u should be SO ashamed of urself..."

Hmmm... not really her style, I reckon...

But sure we miss her - and I simply don't understand why you don't make a more serious move, my man! I promise you from deep within that if I were a lill bit closer and got the slightest chance, then I'd do all I could to make her mine... she's such a gorgeous person, so DO something! I get f****** frustrated here...

:-)

Peace!

H

[ila]

adam's apple - yes. I'm tall for a woman 5'9". I have larger than normal feet. and manish hands. ugh my secret it out now.


I'm not so sure that I would even notice your adam's apple, the size of your hands, or the size of your feet. When I'm with a woman I look at her face. I'm interested in what she is saying and thinking. A person's face conveys so much information that it's important to look at her face when she is talking (or listening). Besides faces are beautiful to look at. I'm not totally unmasculine though. I will notice a girl's prominent physical attributes, but after the first glance I concentrate on the girl's face and what she is saying.

[Bionca]

Hey guys... nice to be missed - I feel like I'm popular or something.

Hank- Yeah the guy to called me a "fag" knew I was trans. I only date guys who know up front. In fact in that guys case, we met online on a Trans Dating site.

The hand and feet thing is just what people who clock me as Trans notice when they notice anything at all.

[sesame]

Mizzy B is a Busy Bee.
Cutie and Sugaree.
But however thirsty
We may be, (Miss Bee)
Not anymore your Priority(Are we?)

[hankhavelock]

Hey guys... nice to be missed - I feel like I'm popular or something.

Hank- Yeah the guy to called me a "fag" knew I was trans. I only date guys who know up front. In fact in that guys case, we met online on a Trans Dating site.

The hand and feet thing is just what people who clock me as Trans notice when they notice anything at all.

Oh yes. you're popular :yes: and you're certainly inspiring sweet Sesame to do his art-things in SEVERAL artistic disciplines... I'm just waiting for him to come up with a nice little serenade for you :-) (Mr. S, you're the MAN! :respect:)

As for the "fag" guy - probably a scitzofrenic... a prince that turned into a toad...

[hankhavelock]

Hmmm... it could also be a wonderfully sarcastic and anti-establishment Donald Fagen/Steely Dan style song with a good liberal morale whipping prudeness and provocatively forcing people to THINK... done in that lovely angry style that Donald Fagen can :-)

[sesame]

Hmmm... it could also be a wonderfully sarcastic and anti-establishment Donald Fagen/Steely Dan style song with a good liberal morale whipping prudeness and provocatively forcing people to THINK... done in that lovely angry style that Donald Fagen can :-)May be you have caught the right pulse.;)

I am demonstrating an angry outburst of poesy in front of the Huuuuuge establishment of Mizzy B. I am protesting against her Delinquency. :p

[hankhavelock]

May be you have caught the right pulse.;)

I am demonstrating an angry outburst of poesy in front of the Huuuuuge establishment of Mizzy B. I am protesting against her Delinquency. :p

It would seem that we're moving away from the concept of this thread (masturbasi), but here's the deal... when i get my sorry lill home recording studio set up, then I make the tune and you make the lyrics... a pode to Mizzy B... "when my boyfriend becomes my girlfriend" or something amazingly beautifully provocative like that... with the heavy harmonies and song in a way that'll make them listen :-)

What do you think?

H

[sesame]

Mizzy B, cant you see,
Poor Hank and me...
Driven to Lunacy...
Dont be an Absentee.
We Miss you sweetie!


Brushing the chalk from my hands...
"Now consider that as the 2nd stanza of the Lyrics, Hank.":yes:

[hankhavelock]

Mizzy B, cant you see,
Poor Hank and me...
Driven to Lunacy...
Dont be an Absentee.
We Miss you sweetie!


Brushing the chalk from my hands...
"Now consider that as the 2nd stanza of the Lyrics, Hank.":yes:

:lol: OMG... can't we dig into your more sinister "Leonard Cohen" sides?

[marcus]

im married im bi and my wife is cool with it are u ok with married guys or do u like haveing a person all to your self. if you dont mind shareing i wouldnt give a damn to take u out show you to all my friends and kiss u in front of them those other guys didnt have any balls you have to be honest with your self and u do that the problems are thiers not yours that guy didnt complain when yall were screwing did he remeber that and dont give up if you dont want to date me or just dont have the time cause i live in tennesse at least call me we could turn out to be good friends cause every one needs to talk sometime 931-779-5545

[Bionca]

Sesame.. you nutty fella!!!

You know I :hug: both you and Hank
:kiss::hug::kiss:

[Bionca]

im married im bi and my wife is cool with it are u ok with married guys or do u like haveing a person all to your self. if you dont mind shareing i wouldnt give a damn to take u out show you to all my friends and kiss u in front of them those other guys didnt have any balls you have to be honest with your self and u do that the problems are thiers not yours that guy didnt complain when yall were screwing did he remeber that and dont give up if you dont want to date me or just dont have the time cause i live in tennesse at least call me we could turn out to be good friends cause every one needs to talk sometime 931-779-5545

It's good your are open with your gf marcus. My ex and I had an open relationship until he screwed that up, so I repect relationships that can work that way. I maintain that the "fag" guy was one of the many curious dudes who freaked out after their fantasy is reality. It was better for him to insult me than deal with what happened (in his mind).

I don't generally call guys without getting to know them first. Hope you understand, particularly since I'm living with my brother and his family . Safety first! :D

[sesame]

I can manage, but Hank is really screwed.
He needs mouth to mouth resuscitation.:p
You must save his life!:yes:

[sesame]

im married im bi and my wife is cool with it are u ok with married guys or do u like haveing a person all to your selfAh, so your wife is really big hearted! But will you also be cool with it, if she maintains physical relation with a dozen other guys?:innocent:

[Bionca]

I can manage, but Hank is really screwed.
He needs mouth to mouth resuscitation.:p
You must save his life!:yes:

Poor Hank!! I'll have to see what I can do...

[sesame]

Ah, so your wife is really big hearted! But will you also be cool with it, if she maintains physical relation with a dozen other guys?:innocent:I believe that a proper love affair only happens between two persons at a time. More than two is a crowd. Its only good for physical fun... or not.

[Bionca]

I believe that a proper love affair only happens between two persons at a time. More than two is a crowd. Its only good for physical fun... or not.

I have known quite a few relationships that worked very well (including mine) where the partners had other people involved with both or on the side, but openly. The key is respect and honesty.. just like every other relationship.

[sesame]

Love affair needs concentration. How can you focus if your attention is divided into many? You have but one heart, how can you give it to a multitude?

[sesame]

Anyways, you are wiser than me in so many aspects...
May be I am not even fit to utter a word in defiance of you.
Yeah, Miss Manners, stardom is really intoxicating.
Enjoy your High. :respect:

[sesame]

Hey Hanks,
If I go against Busy Miss B, how do you think she will react?

Will she chew me like a Gum, or blow me like a bubble?:p

[hankhavelock]

Hey Hanks,
If I go against Busy Miss B, how do you think she will react?

Will she chew me like a Gum, or blow me like a bubble?:p

Oooooo... I think she'll be STERN but fair!

And regarding swinging, I actually have some experience in that field - very good experiences actually. I used to be married back in Denmark to a cisgendered woman - actually quite a little hottie :-) We enjoyed a polyamorous lifestyle and made some wonderful friends.

I'll spare you the juicy details but I do second Bionca that it's about respect, honesty, love and enjoying one's partners full pleasure. Jealousy was never an issue.

We're divorced now for reasons unrelated to our lifestyle.

Bionca - regarding the "fag" guy, yes, I'm sure you're absolutely right. It was his fantasy and it didn't work for him irl. Still no reason for him to act the way he did. I remember years ago I had a gay-fantasy - so I did it and it didn't work. And that's what I told the guy. No need to be melodramatic or insulting about it. Besides, he should have realized that most transsexual women are probably rather well prepared for the facts of life and the path they have so courageously taken.

[sesame]

I wish her to rather be unfairly harsh with me (us), than avoid being with us indefinitely. I miss those days when we quarreled, argued and flirted all over this website around the clock!

Hey! May be she has finally gotten herself a cozy job! Thats why she is away most of the time. But lets not speculate about that "once upon a time" friend anymore.

[Bionca]

I have gotten the job. I start on Monday for training, but won't know my schedule until the training period is over.

Now dear Sesame, I would never ever be unfairly harsh. I think any harshness of mine would be given quite fairly.

May I add... that is a very cute avatar :hug:

[sesame]

So, you have a JOB now! When are you throwing us a party, eh? Some chocolate and wine will do for starters.;)

Thats really me on the avatar. And I am not talking about the red bird.:p

[hankhavelock]

So, you have a JOB now! When are you throwing us a party, eh? Some chocolate and wine will do for starters.;)

Thats really me on the avatar. And I am not talking about the red bird.:p

Ooooooooo... there you go, my man! Goddess B is back on the block and even complimented you(r avatar) as being CUTE... :respect:

And Lady B, congrats on your new job! May it be a funky one! I hope it's as copy-writer on some ad-agency where you can come strolling in each morning in some HOT outfit (preferably shiny) and reign as Queen of the texts ;-)

Peace yawll!

Hanky Panky

[hankhavelock]

So, you have a JOB now! When are you throwing us a party, eh? Some chocolate and wine will do for starters.;)

Thats really me on the avatar. And I am not talking about the red bird.:p

And now it's even more relevant than ever that you consider getting that ticket to midland Ohio (isn't that where Mizzy B is residing?)... you'll make such a beautiful, totally geeeeeeky couple, my two tall, sweet and good (looking) American friends ;-)

And remember, you heard it first here on radio W(H)ANK!

Make me jealous, my man! Do it! Nothing would truly please me more - and I seriously mean it! Go get her! Charm her! Treat her beautifully! Challenge her (the good way)! Kiss her(mmmmmmmmmmm)! Adore her (she is adorable)! Go crazy over her (she's a bit crazy herself, so that is appropriate)! Want her (I sure do)! LOVE her (I sure could)!

No more Mr. Nice guy... claim your woman... ;-) Force her to surrender... grrrrrrrr... she's so lovely and sweet... never resist her!

Love you both!

H

[socal69]

Let me know if you move to Los Angeles......I would luv to go out with you!!!!

[sesame]

Bionca,
I hope that pet tornado is doing well in your back yard.
In the meantime, Hank here is getting restless.
He adores you, wants to charm you, kiss you,
want you and Love you. H:inlove:B
In fact he has gone crazy over you...
Head over heels... all the way.
I mean, he is such a romantic!
Anyway, welcome back...
I hope to see you
pretty soon.
:hug:
~s

[sesame]

Hanky,
My dear friend, or better, Mr. Romeo!
I would advice you to read this (http://forum.transladyboy.com/showpost.php?p=30732&postcount=38). Thats my idea of internet relationships.:yes: They seldom measure up to anything real. Also, I have a feeling that nowadays, people are running away from long-term relations.
Hank, you are a man of honour in the field of romance.:respect:

[Bionca]

Hank.. you are too much.. you and Sesame both are such an ego boost!! Well you and so many of the other guys here. It's nice that so many of you all have taken time to write me, and try to get to know me and shared some of yourselves with me.

I'm humbled and honored... :respect:

:inlove: with TLB ... :hug:

[sesame]

Yeah!
Admit it.
We tickle your fancy
and you enjoy it.
I relish doing it.
May be you
Deserve it.
he he
:p

[Bionca]

Yeah!
Admit it.
We tickle your fancy
and you enjoy it.
I relish doing it.
May be you
Deserve it.
he he
:p

I admit NOTHING!!!

Well.. perhaps my fancy is a little tickled....

[sesame]

Bionca tickles us in turn by exhibiting her
amazing ass in the profile. :lol:

[Bionca]

Bionca tickles us in turn by exhibiting her
amazing ass in the profile. :lol:

Gotta compete with the actual real hotties somehow.... :eek:

[sesame]

Forget the so called Hotties.
No hottie stands a chance in front of you.
Beauty and brains have fused into Bionca!:hug:

[rhythmic delivery]

if i lived anywhere near you i would like nothing more than to take you out for a romantic meal a few drinks some dancing and whatever else you where up for. a sexy LB who like's playing video games you are just about perfect, you don't happen to like the beatles and cooking to, then you'd be my ideal wife.

[Bionca]

Well.. the Beatles are pretty ok.. I'm more fond of the later stuff (Magical Mystery Tour being one of my faves). I wouldn't say I "cook" , but am fully able to make some food - and usually it's pretty tasty. I'm much more apt to bake tho.

[Bionca]

Forget the so called Hotties.
No hottie stands a chance in front of you.
Beauty and brains have fused into Bionca!:hug:

:lol:

Seriously.. I'm fully average in every way. Ask me science questions and I'll prove how little I know .. catch me in the morning when my hair is sticking up and I have those crease marks across my face from the sheets and you will see just how painfully non-hawt I am.

[sesame]

catch me in the morning when my hair is sticking up and I have those crease marks across my face from the sheets and you will see just how painfully non-hawt I am.Thats true for everyone, Even the Hollywood hotties! Do you think Jennifer Lopez, or Jennifer Aniston, or Sandra Bullock wouldnt look groggy on waking up?

The contest should be on what you transform into when fully prepared. And I also consider you a witty person; its great fun to talk to you. And you are very seasoned too, which is very rare. I mean, you dont lose your poise when someone instigates you. Thats character!

[rhythmic delivery]

Well.. the Beatles are pretty ok.. I'm more fond of the later stuff (Magical Mystery Tour being one of my faves). I wouldn't say I "cook" , but am fully able to make some food - and usually it's pretty tasty. I'm much more apt to bake tho.

i have to agree with your beatles views they where somewhat straight laced till they started experimenting with bucket loads of lsd, my favorit album is the white album so many great songs on there, why don't we do it in the road being a favorit. and as for the baking thing its all good.

[hankhavelock]

Thats true for everyone, Even the Hollywood hotties! Do you think Jennifer Lopez, or Jennifer Aniston, or Sandra Bullock wouldnt look groggy on waking up?

The contest should be on what you transform into when fully prepared. And I also consider you a witty person; its great fun to talk to you. And you are very seasoned too, which is very rare. I mean, you dont lose your poise when someone instigates you. Thats character!

My good old friend's wise dad once told us two girl-hunting young lads a piece of truth that always stuck with me... he told us that it is so often the little flaws, the little imperfections that made all the difference and made her even more desirable... he was himself quite a ladies' man, so I immediately believed him :-)

And imagine this, you wake up beside her, her make-up wonderfully smudged upon last nights passionate "interactions", her hair indeed sticking out in all directions (often more in one than all the others :-), her breath is "intense", maybe she made a little morning-gas, she's relaxed, comfortable and READY... "Hoooneeey..." she moans. Total YUMMIE! And remember, you're hardly any more (or any less) delicious your self... ;-)

THAT's so perfect for a soooft morning-passion... after which you cuddle and slumber off again...:)

[rhythmic delivery]

i can get onboard with most of what your saying, but the intense breath and morning gas there is nothing remotly arousing about that

[hankhavelock]

i can get onboard with most of what your saying, but the intense breath and morning gas there is nothing remotly arousing about that

ooooooooooooo... but there IS... :yes:

[sesame]

Hanky!


Dont start your day by consuming liberal amounts of sake!

[hankhavelock]

Hanky!


Dont start your day by consuming liberal amounts of sake!

oooooooooooo.... but I DIDN'T...:innocent:

[sesame]

Hank.. you are too much.. you and Sesame both are such an ego boost!! Hanky, Look, look! Tickle her, until she faints with joy. :p

[hankhavelock]

Hanky, Look, look! Tickle her, until she faints with joy. :p

You're own your own here, pal... she's simply too far away from me (and much too intellectually advanced for a primitive Southeastern Asia Farer like me). But you, on the other hand, have no excuses to let the Goddess slip through your hands... so go for her... NOW! B4 some hotshot beats you to the line... claim her! I'm on your team, my man, and I'll give you all the unfair tricks along the way.

She won't stand a chance! Unfold your full charm! And when you FINALLY have her, the Goddess of all Godesses, then send me a kind thought ;-)

Besides... I sort of have this very kinky date with "the Voice" less than a week from now... so the deal is that I fly to Bkk and you fly to Ohio (are there planes to Ohio???) - shit, then you DRIVE your sorry ass up to Mizzy B and give her the gentleman treatment from BOTH of us, my man!

I'll never forgive you if you chicken out on this one.

Nooo talkin' talkin'... just do it!

And kiss her VERY tenderly from me, my good friend! And I mean VEEEEEERY tenderly.... I kid you not... if I were on that big island of yours, I'd have taken that train weeks ago...

Barack

[sesame]

Hey Bionca,
You lucky, immensely popular Fairie Queen,
you are the tormentor of numerous aching hearts!
Scientists get inspired by your charisma and
become poets or artists to express boiling emotion. :p
Some minds are flooded with amorous devotion &
see You as the Goddess of all Goddesses!!!
Others want to plant kisses all over you like mosaic art.
kiss her VERY tenderly from me, my good friend! And I mean VEEEEEERY tenderly....
:p

[Bionca]

" Goddess of all Goddeses"


lol.. my golly .. *wipes tears of laughter* ... *falls out of chair* .... *continues laughing*

You guys are too funny!! Seriously, I think I have a better reputation here than I'm worth. I sometimes burp loud, I am cranky as hell in the morning, I am probably a little too competative at pool and darts, I snort when I laugh sometimes...

I get confused with lots of light and sound (gotten in wrecks in the supermarket before). I get lost easily, I'm a bit demanding during sex, I can be pretty selfish (probably my least favorite quality).

And.. I'll say again I'm really just an average gal with some cranky opinions. Hardly goddess material....

[hankhavelock]

Hey Bionca,
You lucky, immensely popular Fairie Queen,
you are the tormentor of numerous aching hearts!
Scientists get inspired by your charisma and
become poets or artists to express boiling emotion. :p
Some minds are flooded with amorous devotion &
see You as the Goddess of all Goddesses!!!
Others want to plant kisses all over you like mosaic art.

:p

You forgot to quote me on the "Nooo talkin' talkin'... just do it!"

[sesame]

Is this the avatar changing season?
Me, Bionca and now you!

Who is the cutie?

[hankhavelock]

Is this the avatar changing season?
Me, Bionca and now you!

Who is the cutie?

She's my wonderful x (and now dear friend) Mizza Fi :-)