Why choose to be faceless?

[Aust1n]

I've just been pondering this.

Why do men (and some woman on here) choose to have faceless profiles?
If these people care so much for the T community why not be open about their 'sexuality' or whatever you would like to label it? Whilst people hide behind closed doors no change is being made to the T community to brake down any stigmatism.

If you were to be open about it you would clearly see that not that many people care; if they do, you should sack them off, they're clearly not worth knowing for being small minded bigots.

Jus' my two cents worth for today, it was nice to theorise something which wasn't criminology.

Alex

Originally Posted by Aust1n

Jus' my two cents worth for today, it was nice to theorise something which wasn't criminology.

Alex

Are you a criminologist?

Anyhow, in reply to the question, it's down to choice. There arent many ways in which to stay anonymous in this world any more. Furthermore, a face on a profile page isnt going to make a difference to my mind. Words speak stronger.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Aust1n

I've just been pondering this.

Why do men (and some woman on here) choose to have faceless profiles?
If these people care so much for the T community why not be open about their 'sexuality' or whatever you would like to label it? Whilst people hide behind closed doors no change is being made to the T community to brake down any stigmatism.

If you were to be open about it you would clearly see that not that many people care; if they do, you should sack them off, they're clearly not worth knowing for being small minded bigots.

Jus' my two cents worth for today, it was nice to theorise something which wasn't criminology.

Alex

The approach to breaking down stigmatism suggested by your post is, to be quite blunt, tremendously na?ve. While it is true that individual actions can make a difference, the ramifications of "outing" one's self on a board such as this can be quite negative. To suggest that "not that many people care" is so binary, as you do, is to suggest that people put themselves in serious potential danger, depending on their personal circumstances (location, job, family, and so on).

While I celebrate the fact that you have posted your face, I let my words suffice. Meanwhile, I get to choose the very substantial ways in which I play a role at my employer and in my city to help overcome discrimination against trans people.

[Aust1n]

Originally Posted by smc

The approach to breaking down stigmatism suggested by your post is, to be quite blunt, tremendously na?ve. While it is true that individual actions can make a difference, the ramifications of "outing" one's self on a board such as this can be quite negative. To suggest that "not that many people care" is so binary, as you do, is to suggest that people put themselves in serious potential danger, depending on their personal circumstances (location, job, family, and so on).

While I celebrate the fact that you have posted your face, I let my words suffice. Meanwhile, I get to choose te very substantial ways in which I play a role at my employer and in my city to help overcome discrimination against trans people.

I'm not just on about on a website; I'm on about taking the attitude to the streets. I do understand that people must hide to save face but in the grand scheme of things it would be better for people to be out.

I'm just asking anway, not telling.

And to the first post - I'm not a criminologist, I'm studying it.

Originally Posted by Aust1n

And to the first post - I'm not a criminologist, I'm studying it.

Fair one, great subject. Whereabouts? I've gradutated with a degree in that and law too.

[Aust1n]

Originally Posted by CuriousJim

Fair one, great subject. Whereabouts? I've gradutated with a degree in that and law too.

Birmingham City University.

I plan on doing a masters in youth work afterwards so I can go into youth offending and youth justice.

[transjen]

I guess for most it's safer and in there best intrest to remain unseen
which is sad as this is 2011 not 1955
But sadly there are those who believe that beating up a cross dresser or a Tgirl is there God given right and also it's there God given right to beatup anyone who likes or heaven forbid actualy date one of us
So a lot hide in the closet affraid of there seceret coming out
Jerseygirl Jen

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by Aust1n

I've just been pondering this.

Why do men (and some woman on here) choose to have faceless profiles?
Alex

This is not your basic T-gurl support web site. It is a porn site. Most people wouldn't want it known that they like to watch porn. As Jen aludes to; even a worse stigma would be that you like tranny porn. I doubt that it is on anyone's resume~.
For this same reason they use a "handle" instead of their real name. ( like Aust 1 n ) A lot of guys I've chatted with suddenly have to leave. Their wife entered the room. So I guess the theory is that T-porn is still considered a "dark side" that most don't want to be identified with. ( excuse me for ending a sentence with a preposition. I could end it with a proposition.)

[ErosArtist]

I've worked as a photographer for a good portion of my life; commercial gigs, weddings, fashion, etc. The last 10 or 12 years, I've been 'retired' from the commercial side and have concentrated on doing 'fine-art' photography. A big part of that has been working with the nude figure, almost all GG (that's what galleries and collectors are after) but a few male nudes from time to time.

Many of my models choose to be anonymous, and they do so for a variety of reasons. Mostly, it's for job security. We live in a land (the US) where nude = sex = very bad. It's getting better, but we've a looong way to go. Some of the pro models I've worked with may have clauses in other contracts (a clothing line they rep as an example) that say 'no nude work - or you and this six-figure deal are done.' Others just simply don't want the hassle of being judged by others for what is a very personal decision.

Why remain faceless here? The same reasons, ad nauseum. Mostly though, it's because many don't want to be 'outed' such as it is. That's pretty much why I'm faceless - and yes, that is me in my av. I'm just not ready for the world to know. That said, the people that matter in my life already know.

[DeaconBlues]

Originally Posted by Aust1n

Birmingham City University.

I plan on doing a masters in youth work afterwards so I can go into youth offending and youth justice.

Aust1n, I truly admire you for posting your real picture*, I wish I could do the same, but this world we live in is sometimes a very cruel place. People lose their jobs over things they post on their blogs, websites and Facebook pages.

I WISH I could say that all the narrow minded biggots and bashers and such do not matter to me, I WISH that I could say that nobody close to me is so narrow-minded as to hate me because I like this website, but these are only my wishes. The facts are that there are still a LOT of narrow-minded and hate filled people in this world who have a lot of influence and sway over my life.

I HOPE that you are not harmed by posting your face here, I really hope that nobody holds you activity here against you. But I wonder if perhaps you have taken a very grave risk in posting your face here... If the dean of the college or university you attend saw this here... are you absolutely CERTAIN they would not take action against you? What about some future employers? You say you wish to get work in "youth offenders" or "youth justice," seriously and sincerely I do HOPE you are successful in your career but tell me, do you think all of your possible future employers would not be alarmed if they knew you posted and read stuff here?

*I am assuming that you are a real person and that is your real picture.

[JodieTs]

I just posted this on hung angels in response to a similiarish suggestion.
Its gooood, so I've dup'ed it here.

Originally Posted by tsadriana

If the Admin of this site will try from now on every user from this site should have a real pic and verified authentic profile.My idea is every user from here to take a face pic with a paper in his/her hands the name HUNGANGELS.COM and date on it and than no one cant say that profile is a fake one.I have the felleng the most of u it wont be agreed with me and let,s see the reactions of this topic.

TBH, Adriana I don't really see why.
Its a trans porn site. So for most people it's a distant fantasy. (which is all well and fine)
As you know, trans has a huge perceived stigma for most cis-gendered people, whether they are attracted to trans or not.

Cis-gendered people are highly unlikely to post up face pics and real names and identifiable information. They would fear this may be used by others against them. Many men are married or attached. That opens a whole new dynamic for their cis-female partner: It would most likely go to core questions about their relationship and questions about their man's actual sexual orientation. (In truth, almost certainly heterosexual. but she wouldn't see it like that ) No man is likely to risk a major part of their life for a fantasy visit here.

Recently transitioned Ts women. Usually in wigs, tons of makeup and their legal documents still in their male name. How should they present themselves here, under your suggestion?

Successfully transitioned Ts women in non adult-sex services employment,
likewise would not post any revealing details about themselves
as:
1. It blows the stealth life, they worked so hard to achieve
2. People outed as trans get murdered around the world with monotonous regularity.
For kudos on a tranny fantasy site? That is no exchange at all.

Successfully transitioned Ts women in adult-sex services employment,
like whoring & Porn {movies/Pictures Pay sites} are here socially, sure.
But a part of the reason is to expose their ?Brand? to the receptive audience on this site and similar sites.
However, their working / performing names bear no resemblance to their legal names. No one transitions just to be a porno character in real life. All performers and escorts as I'm sure you know, have a totally separate life away from The Game. Their legal names are not their Working name.
And most present very differently from their ultra-glam sex goddess image, when shopping for frozen peas at Tesco's....
Coz very few trans sex workers from escorts to porn actresses (and yes I accept there a a huge overlap there) intend to stay in the Job for ever. Using their real names would be a huge neon flashing light pointing to both their porn and trans past, long after they had moved on career wise and wanted to settle into the wider world as just another woman.

Crossdressers/transvestites. Do they use two names, two face photos and two totally different biographies one in tranny mode the other when being a bloke?
Should the proportions of both their photo's sizes and profile lengths approximately reflect the time spend weekly, in each representation of themselves?

Finally,
There are a lot of esmimos on this site.
What you think to be blank avatars, are in fact them standing in front of their igloos in a snowstorm. :whistle:


Apart from that, your idea might just work!

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by franalexes

( excuse me for ending a sentence with a preposition. I could end it with a proposition.)

I totally love you.

[JodieTs]

My avatar pic is not what I look like.
They were stolen off the net. (The pic is actually a Latvian newsreader)

But then again, I only did this after Auts1n stole my photo and used it both as his avatar
....and on his security pass at the university.
I don't mind except he makes me write all his course essays.

Aust1n's real name is Catherine.
Here is a pic taken last week during a mid-term course practical exam!

[ila]

Originally Posted by Aust1n

I've just been pondering this.

Why do men (and some woman on here) choose to have faceless profiles?
If these people care so much for the T community why not be open about their 'sexuality' or whatever you would like to label it? Whilst people hide behind closed doors no change is being made to the T community to brake down any stigmatism.

If you were to be open about it you would clearly see that not that many people care; if they do, you should sack them off, they're clearly not worth knowing for being small minded bigots.

Jus' my two cents worth for today, it was nice to theorise something which wasn't criminology.

Alex

You might notice if you read mainstream newspaper and magazine sites as well as even facebook that many people do not use their real name nor do many post a photo of themselves. So why should this or any other site demand that a person use their real name and real photo? But then again you aren't using your real name as your username for this site so why expect other to do it.

[paladin68]

Can't jeopardize this TS clearance, so no pics...

[Aust1n]

Most people are missing the point. It's about more than just putting your face on here, but taking it into the outside world.

Most men I find on websites like these just want to fuck TS woman, and don't treat them like real people (sex tourists are a big example). Why can't a TS woman be treated like a person who can be a friend or lover, not just somebody who you can fuck?

[smc]

Originally Posted by Aust1n

Most people are missing the point. It's about more than just putting your face on here, but taking it into the outside world.

Most men I find on websites like these just want to fuck TS woman, and don't treat them like real people (sex tourists are a big example). Why can't a TS woman be treated like a person who can be a friend or lover, not just somebody who you can fuck?

You should explore this site. There is lots of discussion on that question. As for missing the point: well, isn't it your responsibility to ensure your point is clear, as the communicator? You did right, after all, about "faceless profiles" -- thus making clear that you were talking about this site, not the "outside world."

[ila]

Originally Posted by Aust1n

Most people are missing the point. It's about more than just putting your face on here, but taking it into the outside world.

Most men I find on websites like these just want to fuck TS woman, and don't treat them like real people (sex tourists are a big example). Why can't a TS woman be treated like a person who can be a friend or lover, not just somebody who you can fuck?

You shouldn't ascribe characteristics and motives to people who you do not know. You have no idea at all why I come to this site nor do you have any idea what my relationships with transwomen are. I resent all your implications.

[Aust1n]

Originally Posted by ila

You shouldn't ascribe characteristics and motives to people who you do not know. You have no idea at all why I come to this site nor do you have any idea what my relationships with transwomen are. I resent all your implications.

I said most, not all; on various websites like this as well. Please find me proof otherwise, because I would sure as hell love to see it.

Sorry if I have offended you in any way. I did not mean too.

Originally Posted by Aust1n

I said most, not all; on various websites like this as well. Please find me proof otherwise, because I would sure as hell love to see it.

Ila, smc, and myself for starters. There are many members on this forum who display true respect and admiration for transwomen. As smc has suggested, take a look around.

And the last time I checked, there was nothing wrong with wanting to fuck someone you think is hot…

Can't speak for other TS websites since I don't participate on any others. You may be right about them. I remain active here because of the friendships I've made.

[smc]

Originally Posted by aw9725

Ila, smc, and myself for starters. There are many members on this forum who display true respect and admiration for transwomen. As smc has suggested, take a look around.

I stand proudly on my record at my university. Where I helped enact the campus guidelines protecting trans people from discrimination (years ago) and also helped launch the "You Are Welcome Here" Campaign back in 1999.

Originally Posted by aw9725

And the last time I checked, there was nothing wrong with wanting to fuck someone you think is hot?

Amen to that!

[shadows]

Originally Posted by Aust1n

I've just been pondering this.

Why do men (and some woman on here) choose to have faceless profiles?
If these people care so much for the T community why not be open about their 'sexuality' or whatever you would like to label it? Whilst people hide behind closed doors no change is being made to the T community to brake down any stigmatism.

If you were to be open about it you would clearly see that not that many people care; if they do, you should sack them off, they're clearly not worth knowing for being small minded bigots.

Jus' my two cents worth for today, it was nice to theorise something which wasn't criminology.

Alex

I think one of the main reasons they may choose not to post their pictures is that not everyone always have other people's best interests at heart. Just because they are a member here(or at any forum, really) and they say that they love transwomen doesn't mean that they are telling the truth. We had a snake in the grass get his ass punted out a few days ago because he was a deceptive, creepy piece of shit!

I truly believe that this is one of the most respectful and safe forums for our members to belong to, and I am proud to be a member.

[tslust]

Originally Posted by transjen

But sadly there are those who believe that beating up a cross dresser or a Tgirl is there God given right and also it's there God given right to beatup anyone who likes or heaven forbid actualy date one of us

I have an uncle just like that. I don't EVER talk about it with him. He's too set in his ways. Other than that, he's actually a great guy.

Well I get what Aust1n's point was, but I also agree that he went about expressing the wrong way. And just because I too have put my real picture up on my profile doesn't mean I think everybody else should (though it would be nice :P).
But what I have noticed from avatar pix (on this site at least), that those who don't use their own picture but the picture isn't of something sexual (mainly speaking of the guys here ladies ) are definitely respectful to transgender people. Doesn't mean the ones that have avatars of porn stars or their own genitals aren't respectful.
I'm just saying that most of the people who are just here for the porn generally have sex centric avatars. And usually those people don't even bother replying to a thread like this one. Mainly because there is no fap material here.

For those who don't know fap is a term meaning to "rub one out".

[Aust1n]

Originally Posted by ThirdEyeGirl

Well I get what Aust1n's point was, but I also agree that he went about expressing the wrong way. And just because I too have put my real picture up on my profile doesn't mean I think everybody else should (though it would be nice :P).
But what I have noticed from avatar pix (on this site at least), that those who don't use their own picture but the picture isn't of something sexual (mainly speaking of the guys here ladies ) are definitely respectful to transgender people. Doesn't mean the ones that have avatars of porn stars or their own genitals aren't respectful.
I'm just saying that most of the people who are just here for the porn generally have sex centric avatars. And usually those people don't even bother replying to a thread like this one. Mainly because there is no fap material here.

For those who don't know fap is a term meaning to "rub one out".

That'll be edging it's way into my vocab.

[shadows]

Originally Posted by ThirdEyeGirl

Well I get what Aust1n's point was, but I also agree that he went about expressing the wrong way. And just because I too have put my real picture up on my profile doesn't mean I think everybody else should (though it would be nice :P).
But what I have noticed from avatar pix (on this site at least), that those who don't use their own picture but the picture isn't of something sexual (mainly speaking of the guys here ladies ) are definitely respectful to transgender people. Doesn't mean the ones that have avatars of porn stars or their own genitals aren't respectful.
I'm just saying that most of the people who are just here for the porn generally have sex centric avatars. And usually those people don't even bother replying to a thread like this one. Mainly because there is no fap material here.

For those who don't know fap is a term meaning to "rub one out".

You make some excellent points.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

I guess for most it's safer and in there best intrest to remain unseen
which is sad as this is 2011 not 1955
But sadly there are those who believe that beating up a cross dresser or a Tgirl is there God given right and also it's there God given right to beatup anyone who likes or heaven forbid actualy date one of us
So a lot hide in the closet affraid of there seceret coming out
Jerseygirl Jen

Are there people like that in the military?

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Are there people like that in the military?

Of course, there are, just as there are in any other segment of society. But I cannot help but wonder what the point of this post might be, since there is no mention of "the military" in Jen's post nor in any other post in the thread.

[a9127]

Originally Posted by aw9725

Ila, smc, and myself for starters. There are many members on this forum who display true respect and admiration for transwomen. As smc has suggested, take a look around.

And the last time I checked, there was nothing wrong with wanting to fuck someone you think is hot…

Can't speak for other TS websites since I don't participate on any others. You may be right about them. I remain active here because of the friendships I've made.

I posted that years ago as "aw9725." I had been one who had posted a profile picture as well as link to a web site with a lot of personal information. Sadly, because of several recent bad experiences on here I decided to take down all of my pictures, and link to my homepage. I will most likely be closing my account soon.

[a9127]

Originally Posted by transjen

But sadly there are those who believe that beating up a cross dresser or a Tgirl is there God given right and also it's there God given right to beatup anyone who likes or heaven forbid actualy date one of us
Jerseygirl Jen

I like crossdressers and "tgirls" and am not afraid to show it. As we approach the Day of Remembrance, I'm amazed at all the "tough guys" that take it out on someone simply because they are gay or trans. Who are these assholes and why don't I ever run into one? Wonder if they would like to try that shit with me? In fact this makes me want to put all my profile info back on here. Everyone who knows me knows of my support for LGBT issues. I'm pretty open about it. After my divorce, if I hadn't met my current wife so soon, there's an excellent chance I'd be in a relationship with someone who is trans. Indiana is kind of a "backwards" state but it's getting better. The public backlash against Gov. Pence and his ill conceived "religious freedom" law earlier this year was a good sign. I'm sure my friends, family and colleagues would have no problem with my dating someone who is transgender.

Seriously, I've experienced more nasty comments and "hate" from members of TLB than from anyone in the real world.

By the way Jen, if you read this. We miss you!

Andy

[a9127]

Posted this back in 2015:

Originally Posted by a9127

I like crossdressers and "tgirls" and am not afraid to show it. As we approach the Day of Remembrance, I'm amazed at all the "tough guys" that take it out on someone simply because they are gay or trans. Who are these assholes and why don't I ever run into one? Wonder if they would like to try that shit with me? In fact this makes me want to put all my profile info back on here (Note: I have). Everyone who knows me knows of my support for LGBT issues. I'm pretty open about it. After my divorce, if I hadn't met my current wife so soon, there's an excellent chance I'd be in a relationship with someone who is trans. Indiana is kind of a "backwards" state but it's getting better...

Since this post I've shared a lot about my relationship with my childhood friend "Stephen/Stephanie." So, many of you know my first girlfriend was trans. I experienced a lot of things firsthand including the hate and discrimination she faced. Sometimes both of us faced. We were only 12 when we met. I wasn't the football player and weightlifter I would become later. I could take care of anyone at our school but this experience is something I've never shared on this forum before. One time Stephanie and I were out for a ride on my dirt bike. We stopped and were making out under a tree when we heard some older guys (like 20's and 30's) yelling shit at us from far away. Saying things like "Come here baby. Suck my dick." and "I wanna fuck your girlfriend in the ass." They were construction workers or something. There was a subdivision going in--but I thought we were alone. There were five of them so we just got back on my Yamaha and got the hell out of there. We both had cell phones but that wouldn't have done much good. Not sure what would have happened to us. Not something I like to think about. I've never forgotten it and that's one reason why I'm so sensitive and sometimes overreact to any kind of perceived threats, bullying, or violence against gays or transgender people. We told our parents about it but there wasn't much they could do. My dad was super-pissed and filed a report with the police. Anyway we were lucky.

[a9127]

Seems as good a place as any to post this.

Found these while going through old stuff. I asked my wife if it would be OK to post them. After all I’ve been a member here for a long time. She had never seen them before. She liked them a lot and said go ahead. Sorry for the poor quality. These were taken with a “real” camera. You know, like one that uses film? And then scanned. No iPhone's back then! For my friends on here. Hope you like them.

The first one was taken at a friend’s house in Michigan before a football game. I was our team’s Defensive Captain and starting Middle Linebacker. Also really good with computers. This picture appeared in our yearbook. My wife saw it today and said “This one looks like you were in High School.” Still have that leather jacket. Why does it look like almost 20 years ago? Maybe ‘cause it is. Tying to think of which celebrity I would have had it bad for back then. Probably Christina Aguilera. “Genie in a Bottle.”

OK so how do I explain the “IU” t-shirt? My uncle went there. He was a champion diver and played football (Wide Receiver, small and fast ) he tried and tried to get me to go to IU. He took me to Nick’s and arranged for me to hang out with the football team. My dad wanted me to play at Michigan State. He was a big alumni booster. I probably could have started at either school but after we moved to Indiana decided to go to Purdue because of their reputation for engineering and computer science. I struggled as a “walk-on” but got a great education. I’ve done alright in my business and academic careers. No complaints. By the way that is Steph. If you have followed my posts you know all about her.

From 2004. My “ex” and I drove across the United States. This, I believe was somewhere in New Mexico. Probably the best we ever got along. I will always have special memories of the night we spent on the beach in San Diego. I was 19 and she was 25 when we got married. Interestingly she had been a cheerleader at IU (Purdue’s main rival). My Ph.D. is from IU. A nurse and graduate of IU, she helped me out a lot when I was in grad school so I can’t really say anything bad about her (although I often do on here… other than being a psycho she was usually very sweet. ).

“Dr. Andy.” Well almost… I still had a little bit left to finish. It’s called a “dissertation.” This is from when I first started teaching at the university where I am today. About 2007. Things were still pretty good between us. My “ex” really was gorgeous. I am not exaggerating. Almost on a level with some of my “crushes.” If I hadn’t been married to her and saw her picture, I’d probably post her to the “Dream Girls” thread. She had been married before. He played basketball at IU. Same thing happened with them…