Does liking shemales make you gay?

I of course would answer NO with almost all of you. But i suppose in the end, the whole question is about semantics, an exercise in which we can loose a life of mouth twisting acrobatics.
Anyone heard about the Kinsey scale ? As you probably pretty much all already know, Alfred Kinsey is an entomologist who decided to start researching sexuality in the US in the 40s. He definitly was the greatest precursor to the sexual revolution in the Western World, from which we all benefit on this very forum. The two reports he published revealed facts nobody could then possibly envisioned about the sexual practices of americans.
Anyways he created a scale which illustrated the potential sexual orientation of individuals. It is divided in six vertical columns, the first one to the left representing people exclusively heterosexuals, the one to the extreme right people exclusively homosexuals. Now the four remaining columns were of course to represent what's left in between: the second one to the left, people who for instance had gay fantasies at time, or one or a few gay experiences in their youth, in other words those who were, as he said, more or less "incidently" gay, and so on in a gradual progression to the column next to the last at right, which designated people with only more or less limited experiences in heterosexuality. Kinsey found that a surprisingly moderate proportion of the population fitted, according to age, in either of the two extremities. The bulk of it belonged to the four remaining ones. In other words, a majority of people had at least some kind of inclinations towards bisexuality !

What seems to me even more interresting about that scale is the indeniable fact (still denied nontheless to this day by moronic, thight asses moral extremists) that nothing is either black and white when it comes to human sexuality; everything is blissfully grey. And in the end it's so much like us, human beings. It's part of our beauty ! such diversity and creativity, such differences !
Don't know why we constantly have to make it the root of our dissensions...

(I simplified things a bit, here. I have to admit i'm not sure i understand enough Kinsey's methodology to explain it remotly properly in english. In any case, here's the link to the scale at Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale -I'm sorry i'm not pc cleaver enough neither to post it here myself).

[ila]

Originally Posted by danthepoetman

I simplified things a bit, here. I have to admit i'm not sure i understand enough Kinsey's methodology to explain it remotly properly in english. In any case, here's the link to the scale at Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale -I'm sorry i'm not pc cleaver enough neither to post it here myself).

Here you are dan:

The Kinsey Scale


Rating Description

0 Exclusively heterosexual

1 Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual

2 Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual

3 Equally heterosexual and homosexual

4 Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual

5 Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual

6 Exclusively homosexual

X Non-sexual

And attached is a graph representation of the same.

[smc]

Originally Posted by danthepoetman

I of course would answer NO with almost all of you. But i suppose in the end, the whole question is about semantics, an exercise in which we can loose a life of mouth twisting acrobatics. ...

I want to make clear that what I am writing here is not to criticize danthepoetman's use of the word "semantics," but because his use of the word has suggested that some clarity is in order.

This word "semantics" has, over the centuries, become misused in popular parlance. I make this point because what danthepoetman says is "about semantics" -- assumedly referring to different word choices that cannot be resolved because different people use words different ways (the typical meaning of the phrase "a question of semantics") -- has real consequences in real life.

Semantics is a branch of my academic field, linguistics, and it is about meaning. It is the study of what things mean. Those things are words, phrases, symbols, and signs. Semanticists study what they denote, or stand for. In linguistics, we use semantics to understand how humans express meaning through their language.

When the phrase "semantic question" is used colloquially, it more often than not is describing that humans cannot agree on meaning because of word selection. The problem with the popular use of the phrase is that it is also more often than not used to dismiss further discussion on the assumption that it is mere word choices (of, assumedly, broadly defined synonyms) that constitute the difference, and not really meaning. (That's why you will often hear the use of the phrase accompanied by "we mean the same thing" or "I think we're talking past each other").

Therein lies the problem in what danthepoetman writes. It is the same problem I have raised in this thread over and again. Words do matter, especially labeling words, and labeling words that are associated with human prejudices (e.g., gay, transsexual, etc.). matter perhaps even more. These words are used to dismiss and discriminate against others. They are used to subjugate humans and subvert rights. It is not a "question of semantics" in the way that phrase is used in popular parlance, to dismiss differences in choices of words that mean essentially the same thing

I wrote some time ago in this thread:

Originally Posted by smc

I'll say it before and I'll say it again: I don't give a flying fuck what anyone calls me with respect to my sexuality, and I have no interest in spending time trying to come up with a label for myself. I think it is a colossal waste of intellectual energy.

The only thing that matters to me is in this regard is that no one should go around labeling other people. It doesn't matter to me what I'm called, but for those to whom it does matter it should never be the case that their self-determined identity is undermined. Period.

I've been thinking about this in the context of danthepoetman's "semantic question." More than ever, I believe that it is imperative that each of us recognize the tremendous stakes involved in labeling. I love this post from svartekaptenen:

Originally Posted by svartekaptenen

I do not consider myself homosexual even if I am dating a transwoman,
I like breasts and she has them. Funny thing though I was in New York
in 2002 and in a bar I encountered a homosexual couple that told me they
were gay, I as a non English speaker thought they meant that they were
happy and joyful so I asked them any particular reason which rendered
me a strange look.

I love it for two reasons. One is that the language confusion over the multiple meanings of "gay" is just plain fun, from a linguist's point of view. But the other is that svartekaptenen writes "I do not consider myself homosexual ..." He self-determines his sexual preference, as it should be. If homosexuality is defined as sexual attraction to the same gender, and he is a man, then there is no way that dating a transwoman is an act of homosexuality, since a transwoman is a woman and svartekaptenen is a man. Is it, then, heterosexuality? Well, if that is defined as sexual attraction to a different gender, the answer would seem to be an obvious yes. But in the end, what matters is only what svartekaptenen thinks about himself.

Unfortunately, society is not so yielding. We will all be better off when it is, and sexuality is defined not in terms of labels but in terms of, for want of a better phrase, nothing. When discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is non-existent, there will be no need for any labels. They are primarily for drawing differences so that discriminatory behavior can be enabled. Some day (we can dream), humans will simply be defined as sexual beings, and where we fall on the spectrum will be as inconsequential (other than for our own personal reasons) as whether we have long or short fingers. (Okay, I admit finger length has consequences if you play certain musical instruments. )

[jmadaf]

I loved sucking cock ever since puberty, if the cock is atached to a beautiful sexy feminine body that's all the more sweeter for me. Gay I don't care if I am or not I love shemales.

[Rivera]

Not gay ... just love 's and great art !

[I won't quote that long #700 post which i here refer to]
smc, you understand precisely what i mean and i wholeheartedly agree with everything that follows in your post. Thank you for making up for my shortcommings in english, which i repeat is not my mother tongue nor my usual language of expression (i also made svartekaptenen's funny confusion the first time). The syntactic elegance of your thoughts expresses much more explicitly what i was awkwardly trying to say, even by bringing up the Kinsey scale, and of course, it expresses even much more.
Intolerance or rather should i say, a lack of acceptance is the root of the problem, but since it is so widespread in our still hypocritical (see the scale) society, you are absolutly right that we need to insist on the meaning of words relating to people's values and choices as not only to show respect and understanding but as to establish it in language. Needless to say here i did not intend to diminish in any way such a field of study as liguistic, knowing how much efforts scholarly achievments requires.

(Must say, though, i now feel a bit embarrassed having needed the help of two mods to make a point...)

PS. You can just call me "dan". "Poetman" is the domain i've inherrited from my proud ancestral family, and "the" is the nobility particle. But i'm not a snob for that matter...

[sr8_curious]

I feel attracted and excited fancying being fucked hard by shemales however have n interest in men.. that leaves me confused @ times..

[sevwon]

honestly i don't care what it makes me... i don't care what anyone thinks about what i've done. i live life like this: if you want to do something do it...

when i was 18 i wanted to fuck a dude... so i did and loved it... does that make me gay? i don't think so because it's purely sexual, i define gay as being romantically attached to the same sex...

when i was 22 i wanted to fuck a shemale (well i've always wanted to) and thankfully my first shemale was drop dead gorgeous with a nice big dick... great fuck such a turn on, had me hooked. if i had to choose between being with a woman for the rest of my life or a shemale, considering they were the same person character wise... i'd choose a shemale 10/10 times

[steve65]

There seems to be a lot of concern over 'labelling' when it comes to the subject of dating transgendered individuals. I have been on many blogs devoted to the subject of dating Asian ladyboys, and it appears there are a large number of guys who are keen to explore this avenue, but are concerned about either what other people will think of them, and moreso what they will actually think of themselves.

Most guys who are ready to embark on a LB relationship are concerned with the 'gay' label. 'Does this mean I am gay?' they invariably ask. They are worried about their own sexuality, rather than embracing a new way of loving. Realistically, does it matter? I hope in this post to allay some of the fears being shown by guys unable to cross that final hurdle.

A 'gay' person is one who is stimulated only by members of their own sex, whether they be male or female. A 'bisexual' person is one who can be stimulated by members of both sexes, and a 'heterosexual' or 'straight' person is one who is stimulated only by members of the opposite sex.

So guys, if you previously have had only biological females as girlfriends but are wanting to experiment in the transgendered field, the odds are that you are 'straight, but with bisexual tendencies' - but do you really need or want this label to satisfy your own concerns?

To further complicate matters, my experiences show there are three distinct categories of ladyboys.

The first (which I have found to be in the minority, but will always stand corrected if it can be shown otherwise), are those who are the absolute examples of a 'female born in a male body'. Their main aim in life is to undergo a full sex change and to live life completely as a woman. Quite often they abhor their male genitalia, many are on chemical castration hormones, and have no interest in their penis other than for peeing out and the sooner they can change that the better.

The second category are those who take on the role of a female, but have no intention of getting rid of their penis, but will act completely as a female. They do not wish to engage in sexual activities as a male, but will delight in penile stimulation.

The third category are those as in Category 2, but will also delight in undertaking the role of a male lover, either with other males or in many cases with females. They are very proud of their male genitalia, although they too live as women.

It could be argued therefore, that if your interest is in only Category 1 ladyboys, and you also have no interest in their male genitalia that you are 'straight', and that you are looking more for an emotionally leaning relationship with a ladyboy. That you would prefer your ladyboy to have all the characteristics of a female. This to me indicates you are 'straight' as defined by society.

If your preference is for Category 3 ladyboys (which I unashamedly admit my girlfriend falls into) it could be argued that you are straight, but with strong bisexual tendencies.

You may not know exactly where you fit until you have experienced the ladyboy dating scene. When I started dating ladyboys I had no intention of being in the category 3. It was introduced to me by my current girlfriend. You may find, as I have, that it adds a further dimension to your sex life.

My advice is simple. Embrace your new lifestyle. If labels and 'what people will think' worries you to such a degree, then quite simply this lifestyle is not for you. Taking a ladyboy lover for a permanent relationship takes a lot of adjusting. It is a major change in your life, and many things have to be thought through. Do not look on your ladyboy lover as a sex toy. It is so much deeper than this, and you will find that she has emotional needs the same as any genetic girl will. It took me around 12-18 months into my now 4-year relationship to fully accept and commit to what I was doing. After a life of dating only genetic girls it was a big paradigm shift. However, the love I have found and the excitement of having such a wonderful relationship has left me in no doubt I have made the right choice.

[reynardthefox]

The question primarily comes up because we are caught in a binary view of gender, and reality is more nuanced than that.

Originally Posted by steve65

However, the love I have found and the excitement of having such a wonderful relationship has left me in no doubt I have made the right choice.

A very nice post, thanks!

[Tommy3069]

I do not think you are gay if you like shemale, you have to be more open minded person and be honest with yourself. If you think that way then you always will feel that way.
People do not know how far a emotion can take them it start with a little one night stand or a fantasy then later on it progress further and more happens but again if you do not come clean with yourself then things are never good always bad. I have heard from my friend she had clients who have interests to sleep with a tgirl as soon she reveals her cock the try to beat her up why again be clean with you emotions.

I had that same problem thinking back and forth negative feelings negative emotions, then I decide to come clean tolled my friend the truth and we went from there. We are still great friends she had her operation now so she is a girl, I will let her know I am interested in still looking for a tgirl with a cock and she will understand

[shmluvr1]

You can't be made"gay". Either you are or you aren't. Fucking a shemale
doesn't make you gay, that's just looking for an alternative to pussy which
can get boring sometimes. There are millions of "straight" guys who fuck
shemales on occasion but will always want pussy more, that doesn't make
us gay, we just sometimes want something a little different.
If anything, technically, that would make us all bisexual, we just happen to
want one side more than the other.
There's not a single gay guy out there who won't pass up the chance to fuck
a pussy if it came to them, on the same token a lesbian would fuck a guy if
she could get a good screw out of him (otherwise, they wouldn't need dildos.)
But both sides would always return to there primary choices of gendered
partners (guy-guy, girl-girl) to feel more at home sexually.
Unless your elderly and gay, true homosexuality doesn't really exist, every-
body wants to occasionally play on the other side of the fence.

[aguy]

No.

Gays like same sex people,bi's like both.

I like a girl with a dick so that must make me bi? I don't agree.I just like a girl with a dick.That simple.

[daveblue]

So long as you're happy with what you do surely the label you give yourself is largely irrelevant

[corneliusguy]

I don't believe anyone is gay or straight, black or white. The best explanation i've heard is that sexuality isn't a choice, it's a spectrum and everyone is on it somewhere and it's a fluid environment. Meaning your position on it constantly changes with life experiences.

I also very much like the reality that t-girls are women who happen to have male genitalia. Since liking female boobs doesn't define you as 100% straight, neither does liking male genitalia define you 100% gay.

What I would be curious to know is on a scale of 1 to 100. 1 being someone whose appearance is indistinguishable from a man and 100 whose appearance is indistinguishable from a woman, what is your "passable" preference threshold? (NOT intending to hijack this thread, it's more just food for thought.)

[bootbot2112]

I agree with most of the other posts
Who cares. Do what makes u happy. I am NOT attracted to men but shemales are a huge turn on. Dont let anyone tell you whats right for you
Best of Luck

[TransWorlAsia]

Sooooo many ways this conversation can go.

No you are not gay.

[TransWorlAsia]

" Gay " men dont like shemales.

Straight men do.

I think that solves the question.

[franalexes]

Liking T-gurls won't make you gay, but I have seen it make guys so horny they play with themselves and bang their cock on the keyboard.

[air12345]

I don't know if this video has been posted in this long thread, but certainly relevant. Probably the best explanation about why hetero men seem to like shemales. He specifically talks about that here:

Just found out I can't post links, just search "Authors@Google: Ogi Ogas" on youtube. It's the first video of a bald man giving a speech in front of a class.

[lordscott]

To me i know that I'm not gay and I'm attracted to shemales & ladyboys and when & if I'm dating 1,when & if i put myself out there dating again & if i choose to all i see is a beautiful woman to me anyway that i find her attractive and farther more transman are a man transgender or not he is still is a man and transwoman,T-girls,shemales & ladyboys are a woman transgender or not she's still is a woman.

So it depends on what he/or she identity himself/or herself as like what a9127 said and if they're still together i like to say to both a9127 and his woman congratulations & that I'm happy for them i hope this helps some .

[a9127]

Originally Posted by rammani

i am not a gay i am a ladyboy slave

This is the best thing I've read on this subject.

[SweetCharmer]

in short it's all down to different perspectives i mean some people that it's still being gay but to me its not coz its still a female body others will disagree but i can't really change their opinions so i'll just stick to mine

[TSLuva]

I don't think were gay, I just can't see them as being anything but women & I'm sure I'm not just trying to convince myself of that. I have just joined this forum & I am finding this so liberating talking about something I have kept secret for several years now, not because I am ashamed of it but because I just know none of my friends would understand it.

[klabusterbaer13]

im personally not attracted to men, but i like women with dicks.
not gay to me

[british_boy]

I have a Filipina TS girlfriend, but if I had to pick a label, as restricting as they are, I'd identify myself as a straight man.

Sexuality isn't confined to whether the person you like has a cock or a pussy; it's the whole package. I am attracted to femininity, and I even sometimes wonder if the juxtaposition of a cock and an attractive woman enhances her femininity. For example, my girlfriend is petite, feminine, gentle, and when I'm snuggled up against her soft, smooth skin, stroking her long hair, and smelling her flowery perfume, it never crosses my mind that she was born a boy... she's a girl who happens to have a cock. If anything, it seems to bring us closer together in the sense that we are opposites - me being a big, burly bloke, and she a girly girl - but we have our sexual parts in common, and we can please each other in the same way.

To further demonstrate what I'm getting at, take a look at some gay porn - my feeling is that the sight of hard, hairy fellas with short haircuts, banging the hell out of each other in jockstraps will be a massive turn off. Next, take a look at some pictures of a TS male with a beard, pecs, skin-head and pussy. He was born a girl right? Bet you don't think it's 'straight' to fancy him, which leads to the logical conclusion that it's not 'gay' to fancy transsexual women.

I think that our biggest problem is others' perceptions of us. Only a few close, liberally-minded friends know the full extent of my relationship. Others know that I have a Filipina girlfriend, which isn't a lie, but they don't know the full story. If our relationship continues and we decided to settle together in the UK, I know there will be a shit-storm, and I could lose a few relatives and friends over it. I'm also sure there will be some hate, and some ignorant whispers of "Did you know Jay is gay?" behind my back. I just hope I'm strong enough to rise above it, support my lovely girl, and stay true to myself.

[smc]

Originally Posted by british_boy

Hello, and welcome to the forum. I have a Filipina TS girlfriend, but I identify myself as a straight man.

To my mind, sexuality isn't confined to whether the person you lust after has a cock or a pussy; it's the whole package. My girlfriend is petite, feminine, gentle, and when I'm snuggled up against her soft, smooth skin, stroking her long hair, and smelling her flowery perfume, it never crosses my mind that she was born a boy... she's a girl who happens to have a cock.

Take a look at some gay porn - my feeling is that the sight of hard, hairy fellas with short haircuts, banging the hell out of each other in jockstraps will be a massive turn off. As would the sight of a TS male with a beard, pecs, skin-head and pussy.

I think that our biggest problem is others' perceptions of us. Only a few close, liberally-minded friends know the full extent of my relationship. Others know that I have a Filipina girlfriend, which isn't a lie, but they don't know the full story. If our relationship continues and we decided to settle together in the UK, I know there will be a shit-storm, and I could lose a few relatives and friends over it. I'm also sure there will be some hate, and some ignorant whispers of "Did you know Jay is gay?" behind my back. I just hope I'm strong enough to rise above it and stay true to myself.

Your story should be an inspiration to others on the Forum. Thank you for sharing it with all of us.

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by british_boy

I have a Filipina TS girlfriend, ...

Yup. This guy "gets it".

[beginner]

Thank you! What you think and what you say is exactly what happens with me. I am portuguese,much older than you; my ts girlfriend is also portuguese and a liittle older than your filipina girlfriend. Those are the only differences! It is very good to find someone who feels and thinks like we do. Not that I ever thought that my love for a shemale woud make me gay, but that makes my belliefs stronger.
Beginner

Originally Posted by british_boy

I have a Filipina TS girlfriend, but if I had to pick a label, as restricting as they are, I'd identify myself as a straight man.

Sexuality isn't confined to whether the person you like has a cock or a pussy; it's the whole package. I am attracted to femininity, and I even sometimes wonder if the juxtaposition of a cock and an attractive woman enhances her femininity. For example, my girlfriend is petite, feminine, gentle, and when I'm snuggled up against her soft, smooth skin, stroking her long hair, and smelling her flowery perfume, it never crosses my mind that she was born a boy... she's a girl who happens to have a cock. If anything, it seems to bring us closer together in the sense that we are opposites - me being a big, burly bloke, and she a girly girl - but we have our sexual parts in common, and we can please each other in the same way.

To further demonstrate what I'm getting at, take a look at some gay porn - my feeling is that the sight of hard, hairy fellas with short haircuts, banging the hell out of each other in jockstraps will be a massive turn off. Next, take a look at some pictures of a TS male with a beard, pecs, skin-head and pussy. He was born a girl right? Bet you don't think it's 'straight' to fancy him, which leads to the logical conclusion that it's not 'gay' to fancy transsexual women.

I think that our biggest problem is others' perceptions of us. Only a few close, liberally-minded friends know the full extent of my relationship. Others know that I have a Filipina girlfriend, which isn't a lie, but they don't know the full story. If our relationship continues and we decided to settle together in the UK, I know there will be a shit-storm, and I could lose a few relatives and friends over it. I'm also sure there will be some hate, and some ignorant whispers of "Did you know Jay is gay?" behind my back. I just hope I'm strong enough to rise above it, support my lovely girl, and stay true to myself.

[pretty_ladyboy]

IN MY OPINION,

as long as you didnt get a hard-on on straight guys that so masculine, then you dont have to question your sexuality... coz you are just attracted to us, shemales, because of feminine beauty.

and I agree with others too... as long as you are not harming anyone then just ignore what others will tell you... the right thing is youre happy

[Alanz]

Does it really matter? I thought I was "normal" until my Thai girlfriend introduced me to the world of "Ladyboys". Now Yao and I can"t get enough. From Mint to Helen they"re all beautiful. WHO ARE YOUR FAVOURITES?

[suckerpunch]

Interesting topic I think British Boy's quote was spot on. Being my age I have spent many years wondering the same thing I like TS but I'm not gay but why do I like TS cock? I've been into TS for 10 years plus now. No one knows apart from me & if my GF found out it would bring up some interesting questions, such as why explain the attraction? why haven't you told me before? etc I'm secure enough to a degree that it wouldn't ruin what we have, as she has some lesbian friends - which are now mine too (not that she is that way inclined) Yet if I'm honest its not the right time to tell her because at times I still feel guilty because of the deception as its a dirty secret

The way I ease up on myself is when I'm out even with my gf its the girls I look at not the boys - so that says to me I'm straight

[km1]

I like tits and ass more than cock, but I like cock more than pussy. I'm attracted to almost 50% of the women/tgirls out there in the world but definitely less than 1% of men. To try and classify myself would be too much of a challenge so I just go with what gets the blood flowing.

[IronCity]

there are way to many "am i gay "questions here too.. you are what you are .... you like what you like.... why are you asking someone else to label you as gay bi straight ....if you need to have a label .....well label yourself..

[ila]

Originally Posted by IronCity

there are way to many "am i gay "questions here too.. you are what you are .... you like what you like.... why are you asking someone else to label you as gay bi straight ....if you need to have a label .....well label yourself..

Very well said.

[smc]

Originally Posted by IronCity

there are way to many "am i gay "questions here too.. you are what you are .... you like what you like.... why are you asking someone else to label you as gay bi straight ....if you need to have a label .....well label yourself..

I agree that that there are way too many questions of this sort on our board; I have posted about this several times in the past. Over time, though, I've come to find them less bothersome. They reflect the tremendous pressure society puts on people who are "different" from what is (wrongly) considered "normal." This forum provides a place for people who are attracted to tgirls not only to explore that attraction but also to engage with others who may have some insights into how to navigate the obstacles and prejudices society throws their name.

I believe that if by providing a place to do that this forum helps anyone, even a single person, to embrace himself or herself as he or she really is, we have made the world a better place. The price -- a lot of threads about labels, and even a lot chock full of rationalizations with which some of us may not agree -- is a small one to pay.

[IronCity]

I am not here to judge you.. your sexual preference is your own business and i will not like or dislike you for what you are sexually... if you question if you are bi /gay/straight ...i say sure feel free to ask but the only person that can truly answer that is you. you can get good advice here but you must explore your inner most thoughts and desires and if you must have a label it has to come from within.

[tiggerme]

well, the way i think of it is like this. i like soft female beings. i love tits in all shapes and sizes. and i love them being delicate. all these things i can get from a female or a shemale. the difference, some may say penis others a really large clitors. the bottom line, thinking a human being is beautiful and getting sexualy aroused is alright rather male or female.

[no1000]

I'm right there with you OP. Just do whatever makes you feel happy and fuck what everyone else does/thinks/says.

[cherrboi89]

i think being gay is that you like the same sex. therefore if you believe shemales are guys then your are gay. I had the same thoughts about am i gay but then realized that i wasn't. I like girls and probably would take them over shemales.

[mysteryorchid]

To me the love of shemales is the love of both worlds.... makes me bisexual.... and proud !

[gregg]

I love women and men,but t girls most of all!! I guess I'm bi but who cares it is just a label.

[Baron Von Bangkok]

I've been in a relationship with a Laotian ladyboy for over two years and i'm still not sure how to answer this question. I know i'm not straight thats for sure, she also agrees with this. I'm rarely sexualy attracted to genetic females nowdays but on the other hand i've never been attracted to men.
Until they come up with a term to label me i'm just you're average human, be it one who's willing to fulfil his sexual destiny.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Bangkok

I've been in a relationship with a Laotian ladyboy for over two years and i'm still not sure how to answer this question. I know i'm not straight thats for sure, she also agrees with this. I'm rarely sexualy attracted to genetic females nowdays but on the other hand i've never been attracted to men.
Until they come up with a term to label me i'm just you're average human, be it one who's willing to fulfil his sexual destiny.

I like the last part of your last sentence, but the part about "they" coming up with a "term to label" you seems unnecessary. Who the hell cares how "they" label you, or me, or anyone else?! You've already given your self the "label": human.

[Baron Von Bangkok]

Originally Posted by smc

I like the last part of your last sentence, but the part about "they" coming up with a "term to label" you seems unnecessary. Who the hell cares how "they" label you, or me, or anyone else?! You've already given your self the "label": human.

As a human i think it has become normal to want to categorise everything. Look at the vast number of musical genres for example. It would be great if everyone could accept eachother for who they are but people need a name. Gay/straight/bisexual but nothing for the vast number of people with the same sexual interests as ourselves. It would save me having to get into pointless conversations with people who have never met anyone whose primary sexual appetite revolves around transgenderism.
Just give me a label and i'll move along. Otherwise this gay/straight debate on such forums will go on forever and ever.

[brain0r]

Most of TS-loving guys are not gay. It's a difference if you like cocks or men.
Personally I only like TS, who actually look like real women. A TS, who looks like a shaved man with some silicone tits, destroys every hardon. So I guess I am (and most of the other guys here are) definitely not gay. Although I would like to try her cock in my ass

[smc]

Originally Posted by brain0r

Most of TS-loving guys are not gay. It's a difference if you like cocks or men.
Personally I only like TS, who actually look like real women. A TS, who looks like a shaved man with some silicone tits, destroys every hardon. So I guess I am (and most of the other guys here are) definitely not gay. Although I would like to try her cock in my ass

Wow, you've been here for such a short time and can already speak for MOST TS-loving guys? Do you mean in the world, or just on this site. That's pretty amazing. Would it be okay for me to contact you and get the generalized answers to some other questions that have been vexing me? For instance, I've always heard that MOST guys in America who drive pick-ups with outlandishly large tires have very small penises. Could you confirm that for me?

Thanks.

(Yes, this IS sarcasm.)

Not being labeled "gay" seems to be important to you. Personally, for me, I couldn't give a rat's ass. But I wouldn't go around presuming to know for anyone else, especially MOST people.

[brain0r]

I assumed that most TS-loving people are not gay. I read some posts here and in other forums. But of course I don't know. Maybe this is also only because people like me ask this question. I don't know
It's not really important for me. But it happened, that I asked it myself. And as there is a thread here I just wrote it down. Didn't expect, that you react in this way

[smc]

Originally Posted by brain0r

I assumed that most TS-loving people are not gay. I read some posts here and in other forums. But of course I don't know. Maybe this is also only because people like me ask this question. I don't know
It's not really important for me. But it happened, that I asked it myself. And as there is a thread here I just wrote it down. Didn't expect, that you react in this way

Of course, I used your post to make a more general point that I and several others here have made time and again. For me, this question serves no purpose whatsoever except to label people. And for what purpose? It seems to me that self-labeling has very little importance, even for those who ask such questions about themselves. But for society -- and particularly for those who reject anything that is "different" from themselves and who use labels ultimately as a way to dismiss and discriminate -- these labels are very important. So, my sarcasm was not really directed at you personally, but at the entire labeling enterprise.

Asking about how to label one's self, again, is not a question I wish to pursue for myself. I certainly respect that others may want to ask. I do think it's important, though, not to generalize unless you can back up your generalization with actual data.

[franalexes]

A guy loving a gal is called "straight". If he loves another guy, that's being gay. If you find yourself hopelessly in love with a T-girl on sight, that's not the most brilliant thing to happen to you but it's awful close. We need a term name for that. Maybe you can invent one.