Barack Obama

[SweetCharmer]

in the end on the election either way its gunna be a change coz if obama wins. black president which i think would be brilliant. on the other hand if McCain wins female vice president so on either side there's change but i want Obama to win. Yes he's relatively knew to things but he's a lot better than McCain. not being mean but he's a bit too old to become president in my eyes plus hes a veteran from the viet-nam war so he's from a different generation and might hold some of those old generation views.

[ila]

Originally Posted by SweetCharmer

not being mean but he's a bit too old to become president in my eyes plus hes a veteran from the viet-nam war so he's from a different generation and might hold some of those old generation views.

Whereas anyone from a younger generation is so tolerant and understanding and would never hold views that pertain to their generation only. Yes I am being sarcastic.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by SweetCharmer

in the end on the election either way its gunna be a change coz if obama wins. black president which i think would be brilliant. on the other hand if McCain wins female vice president so on either side there's change but i want Obama to win. Yes he's relatively knew to things but he's a lot better than McCain. not being mean but he's a bit too old to become president in my eyes plus hes a veteran from the viet-nam war so he's from a different generation and might hold some of those old generation views.

Could you clear up some things please? I don't understand why so many people think a black president is something 'brilliant'. Like it's such an obvious thing that's an answer to all our problems. What about Chinese Americans? Italian? What is it about a black president that is so compelling?

Second, why is Obama a lot better than McCain? Yeah McCain is old, but he seems to be in pretty good health.

Third, what's wrong with the viet-nam era generation?

[merelypink]

Obama 08

[TracyCoxx]

Unfortunately

[twistedone]

First of all, let me say, I don't like to mix politics with sex. They make very weird and twisted bed fellows. More so than I. LOL

About President elect Obama. In my book, the jury is still out on him, I'm taking a wait and see attitude. This may seem untrusting, however in my book, politicians in general, regardless of their party affiliation are untrustworthy. They all have their own agendas, and its screw the common man over as much as they can. When it comes to the honesty of our politicians, I ask myself this age old question. "How can you tell if a politician is lying? His lips are moving".

I am not going to say I'm a Bush fan either. I knew there would be trouble from him the moment he took his election results to the U.S. Supreme Court to win his first term. I didn't like him then, still don't know. But for that matter, I disliked both Gore and Kerry. And still do, and I certainly didn't want Hilliary Clinton in office either. I still have a sour taste in my mouth from the Clinton years, and some of the stunts he pulled. I'm hoping not to have a repeat performance with Obama.

I'll be the first to say I'm glad Bush is leaving, good riddance to bad rubbish. He's created more turmoil in this world than any terrorist could ever hope to achieve. Time for national and global stability, as well as amends to be made to countries that were insulted by Bush.

Citizens of the other countries, may I remind you, not every American supported Bush, not every American supported his policies, and certainly not every American ignored the fact that we were turning other countries against us. More Americans care than you realize.

To my fellow Americans. I've said this before, this is my story and I'm stickin to it. The government has failed us. But worst of all, we failed ourselves. Our government is of the people, by the people, and for the people. We are the government. Lets look and see what we DIDN'T do that caused our current predicament. Lets take responsibility to ensure it never happens again.

[jimnaseum]

When I was in Elementary School, it was W.A.S.P. all the way. It was great. Drug users, homos, Commies, beatniks, they all fell under the heading of "common criminals" and Blacks had their own little neighborhoods.
Right and wrong, law and order, you didn't even have to lock your doors at night. Even in the cities.
That's all changed now. Ozzie and Harriet are still around, but they've got money and live in Oklahoma.
"Leave it to Beaver" will always be my favorite TV show, but I can't deny that what's fair is fair and right is right.
Blacks, Gays, Legal Immigrants, and yes even Transsexuals deserve a piece of the American Pie.
If Obama doesn't deliver, vote him out! But I've got a real feeling that people are going to become believers.

[TracyCoxx]

White supremacy isn't what I think of when I think of the American Dream. When I think of the American Dream, I'm thinking of opportunities being available to anyone who works hard enough for it. I know it hasn't always been that way for all races, but it should be. That doesn't mean there should be affirmative action programs. But opportunities in the US should be made available to any legal US citizen who strives to achieve those opportunities.

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

If Obama doesn't deliver, vote him out! But I've got a real feeling that people are going to become believers.

How do you see Obama delivering? By giving handouts to those who haven't worked for what he will give them?

[jimnaseum]

By giving the Middle Class a level playing field. The middle class does all the work and pays all the taxes. When Tyrone buys a Coke he pays the Coca Cola Co's taxes. He pays the bottler's taxes. He pays the truck driver's taxes. He pays state tax, federal tax. If Tyrone ain't got no job, he's going to get high and rob a house. Maybe your house. Tyrone's going to go to jail so you can pay for that too.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

When I was in Elementary School, it was W.A.S.P. all the way...That's all changed now. Ozzie and Harriet are still around, but they've got money and live in Oklahoma. "Leave it to Beaver" will always be my favorite TV show, but I can't deny that what's fair is fair and right is right. Blacks, Gays, Legal Immigrants, and yes even Transsexuals deserve a piece of the American Pie. If Obama doesn't deliver, vote him out! But I've got a real feeling that people are going to become believers.

And yet the total irony to your statement is that it WAS the Black and Hispanic communities that turned out in droves on election day and squashed Gay marriage in the California election. THEY were the ones who became the deciding factor, not W.A.S.P.y white people.

Gee, I guess Obama's "more fair and tolerant" America is gonna need some retooling already, eh?

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

And yet the total irony to your statement is that it WAS the Black and Hispanic communities that turned out in droves on election day and squashed Gay marriage in the California election. THEY were the ones who became the deciding factor, not W.A.S.P.y white people.

Gee, I guess Obama's "more fair and tolerant" America is gonna need some retooling already, eh?

As they say, "Time will tell".

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

And yet the total irony to your statement is that it WAS the Black and Hispanic communities that turned out in droves on election day and squashed Gay marriage in the California election. THEY were the ones who became the deciding factor, not W.A.S.P.y white people.

Gee, I guess Obama's "more fair and tolerant" America is gonna need some retooling already, eh?

Blacks voted 70% in favor of prop 8, Hispanics roughly 56%. Blacks account for 6-10% of the voting population in California. Could blacks and Hispanics have turned he tide in such a close election? sure. However I think a 50% voter turnout in San Fran, 65% of married people, 81% of Protestants and Evangelicals, 64% of Catholics, 68% of voters 65+ are just as worthy of blame. The hundreds of thousands of dollars from the VERY white Mormon church could have had a little to do with it.

Also, the lack of coalition building from within the G&L movement. The assumption that blacks and Hispanics would just vote the way they wanted. The quickness the "black church" ot blamed the day after election day. The freedom with which the "N" word got used in West Hollywood. That tells me that maybe there needs to be some reflection and some serious thought. It's not a myth that the national GLb...t groups are seen as male, white, wealthy, not trans* - it's because the gay white boys really like to throw their own party (with their cis-lesbian sisters as backup)

[Babapranja]

Obama Rulez

[TracyCoxx]

With BO's international tour and recent international events, we've found out something else he sucks at. Foreign policy. Why threaten to shoot down North Korea's missile if he's not prepared to actually do it? He looks like a fool now. Not that I really wanted him to shoot down North Korea's missile, but don't make the threat unless you can back it up.

Now he's discovering how useless the UN is.

Doesn't he have anyone who has a clue about international protocols that can advise him? When British Prime Minister Gordon Brown came to visit BO, he brought:
- a first edition of Sir Martin Gilbert's authorized biography of Churchill, all seven volumes of it.

- a framed commissioning paper for HMS Resolute, rescued by an American whaler in 1856 (part of HMS Resolute was later made into the desk presented by Queen Victoria to President Rutherford B. Hayes in 1880, and used by American presidents to this day).

- a pen holder fashioned from the timber of HMS Gannet, a sister ship of the Resolute that also served for a time on anti-slavery missions off Africa (if it weren't for this ship, Obama's ancestors from Kenya would likely have been made to be slaves in Arabia).

Obama's gifts to Brown?
- a special collector's box of DVDs containing 25 American movies
- toy helicopters modeled after Marine One from the Whitehouse giftshop for the PM's sons.

Michelle Obama then made the horrific mistake of touching the Queen. I don't see the big deal, but if that's against protocol, she should have been briefed (or perhaps she was).

Then after meeting the King of Saudi Arabia, the President of the United States prostrates himself and kisses the ring upon his hand.

Headlines from abroad:
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung:
Obama presented himself as a 'new kid on the block'... as a newbie who still had a lot to learn.

Suddeutsche Zeitung:
Obama's words have a certain degree of humility to them and sometimes even a slight meekness. Obama is not trying to make himself look like an important global leader, but instead is taking pains to speek in a clear and direct manner so as to avoid problems.

London Telegraph:
Isn't it time for him to go home yet?... His long stay means that we are hearing rather a lot from him, way too much in fact... I'll wager that within a year or so he'll be marked down as a wind-bag.

Frankly, I hope he makes his international tour permanent.

[sesame]

Ah, gifts and presents from the US diplomats... Hmmm, it brings up the memory of the recent Clinton stupidity. When Secretary of State Hillary Clinton greeted Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in Geneva, she presented him with a big red & yellow ugly looking Reset button. On that button was engraved "peregruzka" in Russian.

Mrs Clinton said, "We want to reset our relationship and so we will do it together. We worked hard to get the right Russian word. Do you think we got it correct?" she asked Lavrov.

"You got it wrong," Lavrov said." Both diplomats laughed. "It should be "perezagruzka" (the Russian word for reset,) Lavrov said. "This says 'peregruzka,' which means 'overcharged.'"

[sesame]

Cowboy capitalism
always depended on subsidies to businesses
such as corporate farming, suburban development,
pharmaceuticals, energy and aerospace. George W. Bush
and the Republican majorities of the early 2000s simply
drove this essential hypocrisy to a disastrous extreme
by increasing deficits and allowing deregulated
financial markets to run wild. In the process,
they ruined the world economy
and pushed it off the edge.

[XonDemand]

he is doing his job...

can not get any worse

[LadyBoyLive.com]

Went the same High School as Obama, albeit he grad in '79.
He had a disco fro and smoked the herb from what I understand.
He went by the name Barry.

[BananaBanana]

I think Obama is a fucking liar, like almost all american presidents.
so crew him too.

[ifleye2004]

Barrack is doing a good job in a tough sitation. He cant fix everything right away

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by ifleye2004

Barrack is doing a good job in a tough sitation. He cant fix everything right away

He could fix something though...

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

He could fix something though...

Unfortunately, Obama cant fix things by himself. He needs a responsible Congress that is dedicated to the Countries interest rather their own selfish interests. It would also help if the Republicans backed off on their hysterical efforts to tear him down.
You know, what "benefit" does Washington provide to us, as citizens, anyway?

[ila]

Originally Posted by randolph

Unfortunately, Obama cant fix things by himself. He needs a responsible Congress that is dedicated to the Countries interest rather their own selfish interests. It would also help if the Republicans backed off on their hysterical efforts to tear him down.
You know, what "benefit" does Washington provide to us, as citizens, anyway?

As if the Democrats are so innocent. Randolph, you will find that in any democratic country the opposition will always be trying to tear down the party in power. And then when the tables are turned and those that were in opposition are now in power will be pilloried by those that are now in opposition.

[Be_my_nude]

So - ignoring all the somewhat petty imperialist / anti-imperialist sniping rampant in the first half of this thread, it seems to me that projected image supported by selective ' facts ' is the principal Driver of Western politicians today, not any true or honest virtues that they may possess. ' Honest Abe ' is an anachronism and a fantasy in today political world. So we get more and more headline-grabbers, ambtious politicians who ' talk the good talk', but when it comes to ' walking the good walk ' they are very much found wanting and only cover up their own incompetence and ineptitude by the reckless compounding of promises upon promises, none or few of which are delivered.
Tony Blair in the UK of the ready smile and bountiful bag of political hot air is a prime example, and those who have followed him without the advantage of charm even more so. What little I know of Obama makes him equally as unknown a quantity. IF he gets elected he will a hard job to maintain integrity with progress. But what do we Brits know except what we read in the Gutter Press and in Forums ?

[Marine_N41_432]

Politically-aware women make me uneasy. Fanatical ones make me panic. And why do politicians always present themselves as right by virtue of their appointment ? Not sure that comparisons between the economic / exploitative empires of Britain and America serve any real purpose in this thread. That way I agree with Bella. But Bionca has some very valid points too.

Obama would be the better man, but it'll probably be the other jerk. Similar to how Bush jr got presidency, I predict.

[Devil]

I'm voting for Obama. He just seems so much more together than McCain.

It's a shame, really, because I really liked McCain back in 2000. I sometimes wonder what happened to the Senator I used to respect. Where did he go?

[TracyCoxx]

Obama presents his case well. If he were a PR person for a large company, he would do very well. McCain isn't so good at communicating his policies, but he has better policies. If McCain was the CEO of a large company, he would do very well. The PR person will always sound like they have it together more than the CEO does, but that doesn't mean they are capable of running the company.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Obama presents his case well. If he were a PR person for a large company, he would do very well. McCain isn't so good at communicating his policies, but he has better policies. If McCain was the CEO of a large company, he would do very well. The PR person will always sound like they have it together more than the CEO does, but that doesn't mean they are capable of running the company.

Don't worry, darling. Barack can not only brand your brand better... he can also run it better. It comes with his intellectual habitus - not a well known aspect among Republicans I'm painfully aware, but so be it.

Now we can hold our breath for 18 more days, and if things work out the way they should for the good of the world (and your country as well), then we can start picking up the pieces left by 8 years of fascist Republican policy making.

Peace!

Hank

[SweetCharmer]

y'know i would be really surprised if barack doesn't win coz with all the financial trouble the wons who are coming out on top of it all are the democrats and i think this is a very good time for obama to do that last sprint to presidency

[hankhavelock]

Whatever... it's time that fascism, laissez-faire economics, neo-conservatism, misinterpretated religion and other nasty stuff finally give way to true liberalism and socially just democracies - even in America! The old guard is getting smaller, so there is hope that even America can become a country where at least a minor degree of true brotherly love can again find its way into an otherwise super capitalistic, hypocritical system. Maybe you will even be able to call yourself a democracy again in time... Jesse Ventura will probably not be as hopeful... ;-)

The nasty thing is that George Bush and all the corrupt directors will ride out into the sunset to their fat pensions... unchallenged. They created this shit, they will never pay for their mess. And trust me, neither will THEIR children... but YOURs will... my "friends", as the weird man keeps yelling... pathetic Republicans...

Sorry, guys... I just so intensely dislike the complete lack of social fairness and solidarity that seems to be more and more the style in and a brand of your country. And the more fascistic the messages, the more "patriotic" they apparently are - judged by the "real and truly" well-thinking Americans...

May Obama come asap! He is your only hope! He is every body's only hope! For goodness sake!

Democrats, go VOTE!

Peace and lots of FUNK!

H

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by SweetCharmer

y'know i would be really surprised if barack doesn't win coz with all the financial trouble the wons who are coming out on top of it all are the democrats and i think this is a very good time for obama to do that last sprint to presidency

I have to give Obama a lot of credit. He's not only a part of the political party that caused the financial problems, he was actively involved with organizations such as ACORN which shared a very large part of the responsibility for the financial mess. It's quite a feat to be a part of all that, and still be able to convince the public that it's all the republican's fault. Especially when the Bush administration repeatedly tried to warn congress of the potential of financial disaster since he took office. But then it is true that the media helps him quite a bit in that department as well.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

Now we can hold our breath for 18 more days, and if things work out the way they should for the good of the world

You never answered my question from a while back. What has the US done that makes your life a living hell in Indonesia?

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

then we can start picking up the pieces left by 8 years of fascist Republican policy making.

Fascism is a totalitarian and nationalist ideology which is against both socialism and communism, and supports a so called 'Third Position'. How does this relate to Republicans?

[JohnTB]

Originally Posted by Devil

I'm voting for Obama. He just seems so much more together than McCain.

It's a shame, really, because I really liked McCain back in 2000. I sometimes wonder what happened to the Senator I used to respect. Where did he go?

Hello!

I'd like those two statements explained. I dislike both candidates and would only vote for Micael Bloomberg (Mayor, NYC), but,

- to say a man with no experience (only 143 days in Wash DC) and with an atrocious voting record (rated 'more liberal/left than Ted Kenedy), and an inability to commit to a position and make his position "Public Record" in voting in the Illinois legislature (most votes of 'present') and who refuses to denounce and actually supports 'partial-birth' abortions (the killing of a healthy/viable baby in the minutes before it would pass through the birth canal at full term - otherwise called murder) - and, thereby, to say "he just seems so much more together" is beyond my understanding. I'd conceed he is a polished orator and cool personality with a persona and charisma not seen in recent American candidates, but????????????

So, as I have made statements in my question, and noted the expanatory detail in parens, I'd ask you to explain how this political cameleon could be perceived as 'together.'

As for McCain - I cannot vote for him for two reasons: 1. his position on and his co-authorship of the Amnesty Bill for illegal immigrants now in the USA; and, 2, his work in the Senate, while it is often important to compromise on some issues to accomplish objectives, he has worked and voted demonstrably to left too often. He crosses the aisle too often and goes beyond compromise and votes left of Center.

Now you may not like what I said and/or you may just disagree with me - but, I have supported what I said, and not made unsubstantiated statements.

Thanks for patiently reading this. I awauit your explanations.

[smolderingtemptress]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

So what have you decided? You swanky Americans with your (not so) reluctant approach (lately) to rule the world?

This sounds really condescending, and I don't appreciate it.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by smolderingtemptress

This sounds really condescending, and I don't appreciate it.

Well, what can I say... you'll get over it... and don't take me too seriously... ;-)

[smolderingtemptress]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

Well, what can I say... you'll get over it... and don't take me too seriously... ;-)

And you want to imply WE are full of ourselves? That's rich...

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by smolderingtemptress

And you want to imply WE are full of ourselves? That's rich...

No, I realize my answer to you was inappropriate and could be perceived as arrogant. I'm sorry. I'm actually a kinda nice guy and only leisurely arrogant :-) So I mean it, sorry if I offended you.

In my initial post I'm not critisizing America - merely attacking the latent fascism that I believe the Bush administration has been an exponent for. I believe I have given ample examples in other postings in this thread regarding my particular views in this regard, so I shall not bore you further with that.

That said, your own comment was kinda short and angry. None the less, my correct answer should, of course, have been as said just above.

Peace!

H

PS: Bear with me, please! English is NOT my first language, so I struggle along to make myself comprehensible.

[smolderingtemptress]

If it's your opinion, fine. But if you've allowed yourself to be influenced by the opinions of, oh, the rest of the world about Bush (who, though many of us dislike, is not the SOLE reason for all of our problems) you should step back and reconsider how informed you really may be.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Creative Mind got me thinking about the GOP,s standing.
Some people say its so bad that it has become a "cult". I am concerned, we need a strong counter to the Democrats proclivity to spend, spend,spend. I am a populist but it needs to be regulated just like the capitalists need to be regulated. So what can be done to rehabilitate the GOP?

I think you're right. No matter what side you're on, it's good to have at least two parties to keep each other in check. The repubs are little yapping chihuahuas now and the dems are clearly taking advantage of the one party government they're in now.

After Bush was elected in 2000, the dems were devastated and it seemed like they would never find their way, but they did. Perhaps the same will happen to the repubs. Either that or the conservatives will have to recreate what they had without the republicans, which I hope they can pull off.

Originally Posted by randolph

They need a candidate that can defuse the big social issues (i.e. gay marriage, abortion). They need a candidate that would appeal to the independent crowd.
A gay candidate is unlikely to go very far. A lesbian is also unlikely to gain much support. So how about a transsexual? A strong intelligent transsexual would appeal to the secret desires of many men, women, conservatives and liberals alike. So who would be a likely candidate? She should be intelligent, witty, willing to kick ass and of course, good looking. Humm, I am thinking of a feisty redhead that doesn't hesitant to flame when necessary. Not only that, she likes guns and trucks! Of course, our darling Fran would fit the bill nicely. Sarah Palin you are toast.

Although I do not normally base my vote on which minority hasn't held the office yet (that's why we're in the mess we're in now) Fran would certainly have my vote! I get dibs on being her intern though

[bsexy]

Barack is great, rocky road to travel though.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by bsexy

Barack is great, rocky road to travel though.

Ah, you must be talking about his basketball skills.

[randolph]

The Govt. is debating whether to give the fired CEO of GM a severance pay of twenty million dollars! So what did we vote for anyway? All the guys that screwed up the economy (except Madoff) are being rewarded! I am beginning to think Obama is a closet Republican.

[TracyCoxx]

Obama makes the very irresponsible statement:

Originally Posted by BO

you can't get corporate jets. You can't go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayer's dime

Why not? There are many conventions there where businesses go to stay up to date with the latest in their field, make partnerships, and find customers. This was seen by many as a message to companies across the nation to stay away from Las Vegas for corporate meetings and conventions.

The Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority reports over 400 conventions and business meetings scheduled to take place in Las Vegas recently have canceled, translating into 111,800 guests and 250,000 "room-nights". The canceled events cost the Las Vegas economy over $100 million, not including gaming revenue.

BTW... Obama is having a political fundraiser later this month. Where would that be? Las Vegas. What an ass.


In other news, looks like the senate isn't going along with Obama's Ready Fire Aim approach to closing Gitmo. They have denied the closing of Gitmo with a vote of 94-3 LMAO!!! This whole thing has been a complete joke. Early in his presidency, BO says he's going to close the facility. Then they're scratching their heads trying to figure out exactly how this will be done, and where will they put the inmates.

And FYI, we're no longer fighting a Global War on Terror. It's a uhhhh... "overseas contingency operation".
And terrorist attacks are now to be referred to as "man-caused disasters". Is this what they're wasting their time with?

[transjen]

To all the Obama haters out there you now know how much of America felt from 01 to 08 when we had to put up with KING GEORGE, Obama was not my pick for the job but he's better then the last Bozo king George who flushed the US down the craper, He has a hugh mess to fix plus two wars to fight, All i hear is name calling stampping feet and bitchin about higher taxes, No one likes higher taxes but whats your answer? Keep cutting taxes on the rich? Well King George did that and started two wars of which only one was called for , You can't fight two wars and cut taxes wake up and smell the coffee and face facts the party is over and now it's time to pay the piper Jennifer

[megawatty101]

Has anyone made a picture of what the CiC would look like as a Ladyboy in Chief?

[red727]

hehy guys just wanted to say hello to all

how's everybody doing?

[sceicco9000]

I think Obama will be a great President in the US

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by sceicco9000

I think Obama will be a great President in the US

The question is WHEN???

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

The question is WHEN???

A lot will depend on whether Congress can stand up to the financial corporations. Things don't look very good at this point. The lobbyists are swarming into Washington with tons of money, the favorite food of our Congressmen.

If he can achieve a humane health care system, minimize our military involvements, come up with a reasonable carbon control system, convince us to save and be thrifty, invest in energy efficiency, create a transparent financial system and balance the budget, yes, even Tracy might admit he is a great president.