Ask Jenae for real answers - no games.

[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by Bionca

You don't have to answer - obviously, but what have I had that you would consider "playing the victim"?

As far as being depressing, yeah sometimes it's shit being trans - you know, having a Pharmacy worker give you shit for filling a prescription, being stopped in an airport because your DL says F, but your Passport says M, Having the Office of Homeland Security contact your future employer - oh wait no you don't do you... Tracy how about you?

The site is full of pictures of happy little trannies and gets visited by gals who depend on that image for their livelihood. Unfortunately, when I was dating the guys I met almost always believed this was the only aspect to being trans - so I think it's important to kick home some realism.

My sig is pretty basic. Topic after tipic on here was/is about guys being angsty about being gay, or wanting a TG and not having the balls to look, and not really moving from that place. I get that I'm probably going to be braver than most people - but that's not an excuse for some guy to be a craven coward the first time he's confronted with people knowing he's with a trans woman.

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All right, all of you. I did not attack Bionca. I did not say she was stupid, unreasonable, or talked mishmash, or picked her nose, or anything like those.
1. I did say I found her depressing which is my overall take on her and I am entitled to state my opinion. Is "depressing" all that bad ? 2. I also said she enjoyed the role of victim -- I did not say she "played" the role of victim, that was said by another. For example, if I said "Richard Nixon had a role in Watergate", does that mean that he was playing? Hell no, it means he was involved in it; he took part, he participated.

Now I am glad that Bionca has some chivalrous knights to come galloping to her defense, but I think she does well enough on her own, although she did mistakenly attribute the "playing" bit to me also. I too have enjoyed her posts as she is informative, articulate, intelligent, and provides a unique viewpoint for this forum, even if it is depressing to me hearing what crap she has had to endure. It is damn depressing to hear about the atrocities of the Nazis in the concentration camps or how the Japenese used the Chinese people as human guinea pigs at Harbin; but I still want to know about them.

I am fully aware that Bionca has an agenda just like we all do. For some on here, that me be that they simply want to "sex chat" while others have loftier subjects on their mind. I do find it interesting that no one had anything to say about Hank. Perhaps Krissy would if she entered into this. Now I really do think Hank is "playing" a role; as agitator, as stirrer of the pot, etc. And that's okay with me as he does keep the dialogue going.

And that is what I'm here for; the connection, preferably the higher minded segment. Sure it's agravating to have to wade through the flotsam to find the jewels but like I know, it comes with the territory. LOL, the silly messages I have gotten. I have even considered taking my pics down and replacing with a generic avatar. But since I feel that they would be like hiding, I don't.

PS Special note to ila - are you sure Bionca never makes a catty or condescending remark? Maybe you best take a closer look at Post#25 above.

[TheSkronkDonkey]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

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All right, all of you. I did not attack Bionca. I did not say she was stupid, unreasonable, or talked mishmash, or picked her nose, or anything like those.
1. I did say I found her depressing which is my overall take on her and I am entitled to state my opinion. Is "depressing" all that bad ? 2. I also said she enjoyed the role of victim -- I did not say she "played" the role of victim, that was said by another. For example, if I said "Richard Nixon had a role in Watergate", does that mean that he was playing? Hell no, it means he was involved in it; he took part, he participated.

Now I am glad that Bionca has some chivalrous knights to come galloping to her defense, but I think she does well enough on her own, although she did mistakenly attribute the "playing" bit to me also. I too have enjoyed her posts as she is informative, articulate, intelligent, and provides a unique viewpoint for this forum, even if it is depressing to me hearing what crap she has had to endure. It is damn depressing to hear about the atrocities of the Nazis in the concentration camps or how the Japenese used the Chinese people as human guinea pigs at Harbin; but I still want to know about them.

Nixon, Nazis, Japanese?

And here was me thinking this was just about one member choosing to knock another.

You didn't attack Bionca? You didn't imply she plays a role?

This is what you wrote:

As for Bionca - I find her depressing, she seems to enjoy the role of "victim" and I find myself snorting at her signature line about hating being braver than the guys she dates.

"The role of ... "

"Victim" (in quotation marks)

These kinda imply you see her as embellishing or, to use the parlance you disdain, "playing", a role. No?

Further, you rhetorically ask: "Is 'depressing' bad?" Well, you seem to think so ... otherwise, why point it out, as you originally did, about another member? And why claim to "snort" at Bionca's signature?

What you said was very confrontational and smug-sounding. Anyone in their right mind can see that. If you had truly wanted to express yourself in a polite, non-hostile way, you could have added some positives to your original remarks (rather than coming out with some after the fact). Or said nothing at all.

Finally, the claim that Bionca has "chivalrous knights" coming to her defence? Pure jealousy. If Bionca has people willing to defend her, it's because she has engendered herself to them with her words and her deeds. Food for thought.

[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by TheSkronkDonkey

Nixon, Nazis, Japanese?

And here was me thinking this was just about one member choosing to knock another.

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Finally, the claim that Bionca has "chivalrous knights" coming to her defence? Pure jealousy. If Bionca has people willing to defend her, it's because she has engendered herself to them with her words and her deeds. Food for thought.

imply she plays ? ... kinda imply? ... seem to think?

Buckle up, oh brave knight, your blows are weakening! You have the dragon chuckling.

[TheSkronkDonkey]

Wow. Very mature. You sure showed me.

[randolph]

Well Jenae, its good to know that you have a high IQ, are well read and you are available to provide "real answers".
Here's a question. How big does ones ego have to be in order to brag about it?
Do we have to wait much longer?

[TracyCoxx]

LOL I was wondering that myself. Reminds me of those song lyrics...

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

You've been telling me you're a genius since you were seventeen
In all the time I've known you I still don't know what you mean...

[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by TheSkronkDonkey

Wow. Very mature. You sure showed me.

Lighten up, Sir Lovesalot. Perhaps your apparent lack of a sense of humor is a sensitive spot?

[lanakreuk]

jenae do you prefer men women or ladyboys or does it depend on the person and or personality

[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by lanakreuk

jenae do you prefer men women or ladyboys or does it depend on the person and or personality

Let the data speak

On my hard drives I have: over 320,000 file in the sections marked SM

over 158,000 files in the babe section

less than 100 files in the men section.

Hmmmm, what does this say about my preferances? You tell me.

[TheSkronkDonkey]

Well, if everyone is cooling off, then I can say the "bumblebees" line is a good one. Very poetic and very true.

[Bionca]

So according to you I "...enjoyed the role of victim". Curious that since I try to navigate my life in a way to minimize personal victimization, while still being unashamed in being trans. The result of this is living in ways that expose me to specific "victimization" due solely to my status as a trans woman. I hardly "enjoy" this, but I simply refuse to keep quiet about it. For example, I didn't enjoy having to wait for almost two hours in an airport in Mexico trying to get home because my passport says I'm a man, because my state will not modify my birth certificate. Rather, I was scared shitless because I just didn't know what would happen.

Further, I'm quite curious how you see a trans woman participating in their "victimization"? I mean Nixon was hardly a passive participant in Watergate. Did I choose a pharmacist that would ask REALLY loudly "Why is a guy getting estrogen at THIS dose"? Seriously... we live in a place and time that can be very difficult and complicated for trans women at best. How does one actively participate in holding up that systen while trying to work against it and navigate through it?

[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by Bionca

So according to you I "...enjoyed the role of victim". Curious that since I try to navigate my life in a way to minimize personal victimization, while still being unashamed in being trans. The result of this is living in ways that expose me to specific "victimization" due solely to my status as a trans woman. I hardly "enjoy" this, but I simply refuse to keep quiet about it. For example, I didn't enjoy having to wait for almost two hours in an airport in Mexico trying to get home because my passport says I'm a man, because my state will not modify my birth certificate. Rather, I was scared shitless because I just didn't know what would happen.

Further, I'm quite curious how you see a trans woman participating in their "victimization"? I mean Nixon was hardly a passive participant in Watergate. Did I choose a pharmacist that would ask REALLY loudly "Why is a guy getting estrogen at THIS dose"? Seriously... we live in a place and time that can be very difficult and complicated for trans women at best. How does one actively participate in holding up that systen while trying to work against it and navigate through it?

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I need to have an affirmative answer before I really go into this. Because I warn you, it may be very hard to take. An option you may wish to consider is that I answer you in a private message. I am leaving it up to you bacause I do respect you as a good person.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

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I need to have an affirmative answer before I really go into this. Because I warn you, it may be very hard to take. An option you may wish to consider is that I answer you in a private message. I am leaving it up to you bacause I do respect you as a good person.

It's your thread, answer however you like - PM or in public.

[Jenae LaTorque]

Bionca, you are evading the question here. In any case, it's been a long day and I need some sleep and it will take a while to organize my thoughts on this matter and set them down. I don't want to just reply off the cuff on this as many of my answers have been.

[Bionca]

Not sure what question I'm evading. If you think your comments would derail the topic, as it probably will, I think a PM would be an solution I would be open to. If you would prefer to have this happen in the thread, I will read it and respond.

[sesame]

OOOOh! Bionca, hot babe, your charm increases tenfold when you get angry.

[JodieTs]

Do you agree that transsexuals are better than transvestites
& do you aspire or wish you were a transsexual?

[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by JodieTs

Do you agree that transsexuals are better than transvestites
& do you aspire or wish you were a transsexual?

Yes I looked it up on the Galactic Better Than web site and transexuals were listed at position 1,342,895 while transvestite were only at position 1,342, 867. A short fat clown with red hair fell in between them at position 1,342, 877.

It is actually a waste of time debating who or what is better in a general sense. It is what is better for you that matters. Some of us have the need to express their fem side only from time to time, while with others; it is a need to live there full time. There is no "better than", there is only what fills your needs. I have to wonder if many full time Tgirls (transexuals) really do feel a sense of superiority to tranvestites, cross-dressers, girly boys, etc. I know some like KittyKaiti and GroobyKrissy come across like they think there is some kind of "pecking order" and they are superior to anybody who is not a full time Tgirl. That whole delusion is reminiscent of some religious folks who think they are "holier than thou."

To that, of course I say, "Nuts!".................. I have to wonder if Kaiti has really thought about what she is saying. She has a history of being put down by her family and others for what she is, and yet she is so ready to condemn others for what she percieves them as being.

I do not aspire or wish that I was a transexual, since that facet of me is only a small part of who I am. On the other hand, being "macho" is a small part also so I don't waste a lot of time persuing that image either. So there I am.......somewhere in the middle.

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

It is actually a waste of time debating who or what is better.
.. It is what is better for you that matters. Some of us have the need to express their fem side only from time to time, while with others; it is a need to live there full time. There is no "better than", there is only what fills your needs.

I have to wonder if many full time Tgirls (transexuals) really do feel a sense of superiority to tranvestites, cross-dressers, girly boys, etc.
...they think there is some kind of "pecking order" and they are superior to anybody who is not a full time Tgirl. That whole delusion is reminiscent of some religious folks who think they are "holier than thou."

To that, of course I say, "Nuts!"

Impressive & balanced.
& incidentally my exact view on it as well.
We think EXACTLY the same on this thing, despite being in different places on the gender spectrum.