Barack Obama

[CreativeMind]

Just another funny thought that occurred to me, as I was posting a moment ago...

We recently passed the 100 day mark for Obama in office. That means there's about 1,200 or so more days before the next Presidential election. And yet in only 100 days, this Obama thread has already become 12 pages long. So, extending that average out for those next 1,200 or so days that means by the time we get TO that election this thread could be 144 pages long.

It just struck me as funny that the longest thread here at the forum could ultimately NOT be about anything Trans related!

[transjen]

Over 12 pages of back and forth and pretty much accomplishing nothing, Those of you who tend to vote REP will never like anything he does and say's and pretty much no matter what anyone says or does will change that, So until 2012 you just have to grumble and curse but rember the world will not end after all the world surrived 8 yrs of W and no one could be worse then him well maybe Palin or Jeb but the sun will raise tommorow Jennifer

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by transjen

Over 12 pages of back and forth and pretty much accomplishing nothing, Those of you who tend to vote REP will never like anything he does and say's and pretty much no matter what anyone says or does will change that, So until 2012 you just have to grumble and curse but rember the world will not end after all the world surrived 8 yrs of W and no one could be worse then him well maybe Palin or Jeb but the sun will raise tommorow Jennifer

:-) good point ! The right-wing Americans will keep their glorified attitude to the world and their socalled love of "God and country", their insistance on every man's right to own an M16 (to kill the liberals), and their deeply rooted hate of every thing that isn't white, hetero and speaks English...

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

and their deeply rooted hate of every thing that isn't white, hetero and speaks English...

Yeah lets go carpet bomb the continent of Africa with nukes!!!! Yeah baby. You and your deep rooted hate for anything that's white, hetero and speaks English... How can you stand to see that white english speaking face of yours in the mirror?

Originally Posted by transjen

Over 12 pages of back and forth and pretty much accomplishing nothing, Those of you who tend to vote REP will never like anything he does and say's and pretty much no matter what anyone says or does will change that, So until 2012 you just have to grumble and curse but rember the world will not end after all the world surrived 8 yrs of W and no one could be worse then him well maybe Palin or Jeb but the sun will raise tommorow Jennifer

Well hopefully it has dispelled some myths and some people have learned from it. There have been 577 replies on this thread and 6433 views. It's obviously not just the few of us reading it. I believe we will survive. We have survived the New Deal which lengthened the depression and diverted a large percentage of our income into inefficient social security from then till who knows how far into the future. It's not the kind of cancer that can just be turned off. We have survived Johnson's civil rights policies which went beyond merely making races equal and started programs like Affirmative Action which replaced one type of racism with another. We survived Carter's double digit inflation, unemployment and interest rates, and his Community Reinvestment Act - another cancer. Each liberal democratic president adds more burdensome baggage that future generations will have to bear. But yes, socialist countries do survive. It's just not my kind of country.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Well hopefully it has dispelled some myths and some people have learned from it. There have been 577 replies on this thread and 6433 views. It's obviously not just the few of us reading it. I believe we will survive. We have survived the New Deal which lengthened the depression and diverted a large percentage of our income into inefficient social security from then till who knows how far into the future. It's not the kind of cancer that can just be turned off. We have survived Johnson's civil rights policies which went beyond merely making races equal and started programs like Affirmative Action which replaced one type of racism with another. We survived Carter's double digit inflation, unemployment and interest rates, and his Community Reinvestment Act - another cancer. Each liberal democratic president adds more burdensome baggage that future generations will have to bear. But yes, socialist countries do survive. It's just not my kind of country.

And what myth's were dispelled? All i have seen so far is that the Bush lovers hate Obama and DEMS period and anything Bush and his party did was great and wonderful and the DEMS do every wrong and screw everything up, I knew that mindset before i ever came here and it appears you will never be happy unless the GOP control everything for life and like W everything is your way or the highway. So what has really changed? W divide this country to those on the right vs those on the left and Obama will not be able to undivide the country and i dout any one man or woman can fix it. At the rate we are going another civil war will break out and those on the left will live in the north and those on the right will live in the south. Jennifer

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

And what myth's were dispelled? All i have seen so far is that the Bush lovers hate Obama and DEMS period and anything Bush and his party did was great and wonderful and the DEMS do every wrong and screw everything up

That is all you will ever see. I was talking about the other readers of this thread.

Originally Posted by transjen

W divide this country to those on the right vs those on the left and Obama will not be able to undivide the country and i dout any one man or woman can fix it. At the rate we are going another civil war will break out and those on the left will live in the north and those on the right will live in the south. Jennifer

That might be a good solution, except that the parties are not even self consistent. So once you divide the US up to North & South the dems will be bickering amongst themselves and gop will be bickering amongst themselves. I don't like much of the south anyway. Too many rednecks and bible thumpers.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

That might be a good solution, except that the parties are not even self consistent. So once you divide the US up to North & South the dems will be bickering amongst themselves and gop will be bickering amongst themselves. I don't like much of the south anyway. Too many rednecks and bible thumpers.

I hope it nevers happens but the way thing are going i can see it happening in the future, And i only said the left will live in the north and the right in the south because of the 04, 06,08 election maps showing how each state voted in those three years the GOP won in the south and the DEMS did very well in the north, I'm refering to the maps i saw on CNN during election night. In the end it would work for a short time but truth be told the GOP needs DEMS to blame for any miss fire and the DEMS need GOP to blame for miss fires Jennifer

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Yeah lets go carpet bomb the continent of Africa with nukes!!!! Yeah baby. You and your deep rooted hate for anything that's white, hetero and speaks English... How can you stand to see that white english speaking face of yours in the mirror?



Well hopefully it has dispelled some myths and some people have learned from it. There have been 577 replies on this thread and 6433 views. It's obviously not just the few of us reading it. I believe we will survive. We have survived the New Deal which lengthened the depression and diverted a large percentage of our income into inefficient social security from then till who knows how far into the future. It's not the kind of cancer that can just be turned off. We have survived Johnson's civil rights policies which went beyond merely making races equal and started programs like Affirmative Action which replaced one type of racism with another. We survived Carter's double digit inflation, unemployment and interest rates, and his Community Reinvestment Act - another cancer. Each liberal democratic president adds more burdensome baggage that future generations will have to bear. But yes, socialist countries do survive. It's just not my kind of country.

Well, given US policy in Africa we don't actually need to bomb them. Years of supporting destabilizing rebels, removing funding for HIV/AIDS education if it mentions condoms, and on and on...

The "reverse racism" crap is so played. First, a group that was systematically kept from any sort of self-determination, power, or equal access to redress their concerns cannot magically become equal with the stroke of a pen.

As much as you may like to think we live in a post-racist or post-sexist society, we absolutely do not. White guys have had generations of looking out for the other. For example:

Great great grandpa arrived a poor immigrant from Germany. He knew some Germans who gave him a job and his family did ok. Great Grandpa did better because he got a decent inheritance and was able to get through school. Grandpa got to go to college because his dad donated money to Ohio State - he even had a wing of the hospital named after him. Grandpa started a business and did very well. Dad has a degree and continues the family business and will retire early.

American Blacks my grandfather's age started where great great grandfather did as far as social and economic power. That's 80+ years to play catch-up. More so since, you know, none of my family had to fear lynching.

[Bionca]

The bank and business bailouts are purely Capitalist policies NOT Socialist - not even close.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by Bionca

The bank and business bailouts are purely Capitalist policies NOT Socialist - not even close.

Yes, true enough, but what bugs me is that we are bailing out the bastards that created this mess through blatant irresponsible greed. These guys are no better than Madoff yet we are letting them continue to run the economy. Why is Obama going along with this?

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Bionca

The bank and business bailouts are purely Capitalist policies NOT Socialist - not even close.

No, a purely capitalist system would allow a failing company or financial institution to fail. That's what bankruptcy is for. A socialist system would make them part of the government.

[megawatty101]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Well, given US policy in Africa we don't actually need to bomb them. Years of supporting destabilizing rebels, removing funding for HIV/AIDS education if it mentions condoms, and on and on...

The "reverse racism" crap is so played. First, a group that was systematically kept from any sort of self-determination, power, or equal access to redress their concerns cannot magically become equal with the stroke of a pen.

As much as you may like to think we live in a post-racist or post-sexist society, we absolutely do not. White guys have had generations of looking out for the other. For example:

Great great grandpa arrived a poor immigrant from Germany. He knew some Germans who gave him a job and his family did ok. Great Grandpa did better because he got a decent inheritance and was able to get through school. Grandpa got to go to college because his dad donated money to Ohio State - he even had a wing of the hospital named after him. Grandpa started a business and did very well. Dad has a degree and continues the family business and will retire early.

American Blacks my grandfather's age started where great great grandfather did as far as social and economic power. That's 80+ years to play catch-up. More so since, you know, none of my family had to fear lynching.

Why don't we just break up the country then? Would that be fun? Seeing that white guys are so damn awful. Fuck you Bionca, those evil white guys you like to trash built the civilization that allows you to draw another breath. Where else would you be safe in a country untouched by Western civilization?

[randolph]

Originally Posted by megawatty101

Why don't we just break up the country then? Would that be fun? Seeing that white guys are so damn awful. Fuck you Bionca, those evil white guys you like to trash built the civilization that allows you to draw another breath. Where else would you be safe in a country untouched by Western civilization?

Way out of line Megawatt! Bionca is highly regarded around here, she is articulate and intelligent so back off!

[ila]

Originally Posted by megawatty101

Why don't we just break up the country then? Would that be fun? Seeing that white guys are so damn awful. Fuck you Bionca, those evil white guys you like to trash built the civilization that allows you to draw another breath. Where else would you be safe in a country untouched by Western civilization?

You can express your disagreement in less vehement and less offensive language.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by megawatty101

Why don't we just break up the country then? Would that be fun? Seeing that white guys are so damn awful. Fuck you Bionca, those evil white guys you like to trash built the civilization that allows you to draw another breath. Where else would you be safe in a country untouched by Western civilization?

What does this have to do with "Affirmative Action"? Your racial projection is also quite misplaced. Stating that blacks in America did not start on an even footing and struggled to even be recognized as full citizens generations after the Civil War is a simple statement of fact - not a moral judgment on while people.

Please show me where I "trashed" white guys -

Considering that it's only Conservatives that like to threaten the break up of the nation, I'm also a little amused that you would lay that at my feet.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

:-) good point ! The right-wing Americans will keep their glorified attitude to the world and their socalled love of "God and country", their insistance on every man's right to own an M16 (to kill the liberals), and their deeply rooted hate of every thing that isn't white, hetero and speaks English...

Hank my friend that is not completely true W and the GOP love Latino's as they see them as cheap labor and a way to bring down the pay scale for every worker hence more profit for big bussness the rich get richer and everyone else get's the shit Jennifer