Barack Obama

[TracyCoxx]

I'm not an expert at what are valid resources. I needed a source for a story I read about months ago from more legit sources and what was printed in the world net article covered all the bases. I know you see "World Net" and have what you need to call it bunk. But the actual source is BO's school in Indonesia. That photocopy of his school records that lists his citizenship was not made up by World Net. If you're so inclined, and I know you're not, you can google this story and find the same story in whatever your favorite news outlet is.

The fact is, he has spent millions in legal fees to keep his physical birth certificate from being shown. Source? The US Supreme Court.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I'm not an expert at what are valid resources. I needed a source for a story I read about months ago from more legit sources and what was printed in the world net article covered all the bases. I know you see "World Net" and have what you need to call it bunk. But the actual source is BO's school in Indonesia. That photocopy of his school records that lists his citizenship was not made up by World Net. If you're so inclined, and I know you're not, you can google this story and find the same story in whatever your favorite news outlet is.

The fact is, he has spent millions in legal fees to keep his physical birth certificate from being shown. Source? The US Supreme Court.

Here you go:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp

Snopes has ZERO political aspirations and isn't trying to curry favor with any social element.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Here you go:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp

Snopes has ZERO political aspirations and isn't trying to curry favor with any social element.

What's your point? The Snopes article only verifies what I've been saying. Obama has fought in court to keep his original physical birth certificate from being seen. It does say that it has been seen though...

Originally Posted by Snopes

Those who have actually touched and examined the original certificate have verified and documented that it bears all the elements of a valid certificate of live birth.

Where the word 'examined' links to http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

What authority does factcheck.org have to verify a presidential candidate's legal documents? Why does Obama recognize factcheck's authority while fighting to keep his birth certificate out of the courts?

Perhaps it would be easier to accept fact check's claim of authenticity if both factcheck and Obama's Chigaco Annenberg Challenge were not both funded by the Annenberg Foundation. This is a circumstantial connection, but has Conflict of Interest written all over it. To avoid the appearance of wrong doing Obama should have had his facts checked by an organization with zero ties to him, or even better, simply show it to the courts. Seriously... why not? When his swearing in was flubbed, he redid it the next day. Legally he didn't even have to. But he did it to remove any appearance of foul play. Same thing with the birth certificate. Just show it to the courts to remove any appearance of foul play.

[Bionca]

I really don't know what to say without sounding like I'm trying to be insulting. Obama's mother was a US citizen and she gave birth in Hawaii. That makes him a US citizen.

Indonesian school records ... seriously??

As far as why doesn't he show the records? Well if I was in his position, I wouldn't. As long as the SCotUS, Congress, and the Senate were satisfied with the information presented. Also, one must look at the initial reasons that this was even brought up. I wouldn't dignify those accusation with a response either.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by Bionca

I really don't know what to say without sounding like I'm trying to be insulting.
Obama's mother was a US citizen and she gave birth in Hawaii.
That makes him a US citizen. Indonesian school records... seriously??

Well, the problem is you turned a question into a statement of fact. The issue at hand is the debate over whether or not he actually WAS born in Hawaii or were those records forged after the fact.

And keep another X-Files conspiracy fact in mind. By nature, Presidents are instant worldwide celebrities. EVERYONE wants to say they had a part in his life. And, hell, Obama supposedly has a 70-plus popularity rating, right? So you'd REALLY think that people would want to race forward and say "I was there when it ALL began." And yet mysteriously NOT ONE doctor has come forward and stated he delivered Obama in a Hawaiian hospital...NOT ONE doctor has come forward to say he witnessed the birth...NOT ONE nurse has come forward to say she was in attendance either...and NOT ONE hospital worker has been able to attest to working at a hospital where Obama was born.

Originally Posted by Bionca

As far as why doesn't he show the records? Well if I was in his position, I wouldn't.
Also, one must look at the initial reasons that this was even brought up.
I wouldn't dignify those accusation with a response either.

Why wouldn't you? These days for most job applications you have to produce a state certified birth certificate to prove your legal status to work. You know, I saw a message board where people were debating the Obma birth certificate issue and someone summed it up perfectly...

"If someone legally challenged you on your legal citizenship what would you do.
(A) Produce your vault copy Birth Certificate and quickly end the challenge or...
(B) Hire attorney's to represent you in an attempt to dodge it?

When the DNC challenged Senator McCain on the same issue because his birth was in Panama, he produced his in 2 days and abruptly ended the challenge. Meanwhile Obama has hired no less than THREE high priced and high powered law firms to duke it out in court to keep his birth certificate locked away. And he's spent over a million dollars to keep the fight going, with no sign in sight that he'll give up the battle to keep it locked away.

Seriously, think about that for a minute and then ask yourself the incredibly simple question "what's wrong with this picture?": When the Democratic National Committee thought it could make political hay out of McCain's birth, he responded by immediately producing his original birth certificate AND supplemental hospital records within 48 hours. Boom! Issue settled just like that. And yet in stark contrast, when asked to produce the same kind of paperwork, Obama digs in and proceeds to spend a million fucking dollars (and counting) to legally fight anyone seeking to see his.

You don't have to be a conspiracy nut to realize something funny is going on...

[megawatty101]

Originally Posted by Bionca

I really don't know what to say without sounding like I'm trying to be insulting. Obama's mother was a US citizen and she gave birth in Hawaii. That makes him a US citizen.

Indonesian school records ... seriously??

As far as why doesn't he show the records? Well if I was in his position, I wouldn't. As long as the SCotUS, Congress, and the Senate were satisfied with the information presented. Also, one must look at the initial reasons that this was even brought up. I wouldn't dignify those accusation with a response either.

I think the dumbass GOP fell into a trap with the Muslim school thing. The real story is that Obama is obviously a friggin secular guy posing as a Christian, when so much of what he says contradicts claiming to be religious. The Muslim thing was a red herring. It sounded so far fetched and silly, thus making anyone who went on to make other inquiries about Obama look silly. The citizenship flap was the coup de gras.


The press played their part for Obama however, by not investigating Obama's Church. WTF was he doing in a liberation theology "church?" Anyone interested please google up liberation theology and black liberation theology, anyone with some reasoning will realize that adherants to this faith can't actually believe in the supernatural. If instructions say to put marxist principles above a supposedly omnipotent diety, you have a problem.

[transjen]

Where was the press in 2000? Why was W left untouched why was nothing said about his drinking and drug useage and why wasn't he asked about being AWOL from the AIR NATIONAL GUARD and why no questions asked about how he got in instead of going to nam? Jennifer

[randolph]

Originally Posted by transjen

Where was the press in 2000? Why was W left untouched why was nothing said about his drinking and drug useage and why wasn't he asked about being AWOL from the AIR NATIONAL GUARD and why no questions asked about how he got in instead of going to nam? Jennifer

Yes Jen, the Reflubs are adept at throwing stones at the other guy (i.e. Clinton's blow job) but looked the other way while their buddies raped the whole country. Now they are nit picking Obama instead of banding together to help Obama save our way of life.

FLUSH RUSH! CHAIN CHENEY!

[megawatty101]

Originally Posted by transjen

Where was the press in 2000? Why was W left untouched why was nothing said about his drinking and drug useage and why wasn't he asked about being AWOL from the AIR NATIONAL GUARD and why no questions asked about how he got in instead of going to nam? Jennifer

That was touched on. I got news of it and I was in Marine Corps Boot Camp!

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Perhaps it would be easier to accept Factcheck's claim of authenticity if both Factcheck and Obama's Chigaco Annenberg Challenge were not both funded by the Annenberg Foundation. This is a circumstantial connection, but has Conflict of Interest written all over it.

Conflict of Interest doesn't even BEGIN to describe it considering at one point Obama himself was actually the fucking Chairman of the Annenberg Challenge Board -- from whence Factcheck was born. Not to mention, Annenberg has ALSO locked away and blocked all access to records and meeting notes from when he served in that capacity, too!

[transjen]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Conflict of Interest doesn't even BEGIN to describe it considering at one point Obama himself was actually the fucking Chairman of the Annenberg Challenge Board -- from whence Factcheck was born. Not to mention, Annenberg has ALSO locked away and blocked all access to records and meeting notes from when he served in that capacity, too!

You want FN conflict of intrest go back to 2000 and check on a bitch named Harris in FL and a worm named Jeb in FL, Harris was in charge of elections and also ran KING GEORGE's FL election campaign talk about a conflict of intrest Jennifer

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by transjen

You want FN conflict of intrest go back to 2000 and check on a bitch named Harris in FL and a worm named Jeb in FL, Harris was in charge of elections and also ran KING GEORGE's FL election campaign talk about a conflict of intrest Jennifer

Actually, that's NOT a conflict of interest AT ALL. State officials -- whether elected or appointed -- have EVERY RIGHT to have their own political affiliations. If you're going to say Jeb Bush was a conflict of interest by virtue of being governor at the time, how is that any different from all the Kennedy's that have run for office while other Kennedys hold assorted government positions?

And Katherine Harris simply did her job. Florida state law REQUIRED HER to certify the election results by a selected deadline, which is what she did. And ultimately, if you even want to go there, I have no problem having that fight since I'll be more than happy to talk about Ohio and the Obama election, where the EXACT SAME CONFLICT that you're bitching about occurred, where the woman who was in charge of certifying election results that were in dispute was (1) a lifelong Democrat and (2) an incredibly active Obama supporter and campaigner in her own right, down to having helped with fund raising AND -- more important -- being the person charged with purging the election results of any fake votes (identity theft, etc).

Sorry, Jen, but if you want to go there, THAT door swings both ways...

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

You want FN conflict of intrest go back to 2000 and check on a bitch named Harris in FL and a worm named Jeb in FL, Harris was in charge of elections and also ran KING GEORGE's FL election campaign talk about a conflict of intrest Jennifer

Before FactCheck "verified" BO's birth certificate, if someone asked you who should verify his birth records who would you say should do it? Would FactCheck suddenly and naturally spring to mind? Or some government entity like the court or a congressional committee?

It was Harris's job, as defined by Florida law to rule on which candidate wins Florida based on the election results. If not her, tell me who?

And was she wrong? Which recount showed Gore ahead?

Originally Posted by Bionca

I really don't know what to say without sounding like I'm trying to be insulting. Obama's mother was a US citizen and she gave birth in Hawaii. That makes him a US citizen.

Indonesian school records ... seriously??

It doesn't sound like you're all that familiar with the case his critics are making. I can lead you to the water, but I doubt you'll drink it. If you want to discuss this based on the issues both sides have brought up, then I'll leave it to you to come up to date.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

It was Harris's job, as defined by Florida law to rule on which candidate wins Florida based on the election results. If not her, tell me who?

And was she wrong? Which recount showed Gore ahead?

Yes she was wrong but she didn't give a rat's ass she wanted KING GEORGE and did everything to make sure he stole the election even before the results were being recounted she went on TV saying she intends to give FLs votes to KING GEORGE,And after the unsupreme court ruled for the lieing little weasel they did finish the recount and GORE had more votes but it was to late as we all got F With KING GEORGE the biggest desaster to ever hit the US. The truth is the weasel stole the election thanks to his shit brother and a bitch named Harris and 5 GOP unsupreme court judges who put party first and pissed on the US Jennifer