Barack Obama

[transjen]

I know this story has been kicking around since like Oct and i'm kinda left saying What's up, To me why not just put a halt to it and show the birth cert I can't say who's right as there is so much coming from both sides, Anywho i do find it odd that the same people care so much about records never cared about a chicken shit AWOL air national guard member's miltary record can't be found and his is the only one who's record is missing Jennifer

[Bionca]

Wow using WorldNetDaily as a source... guess it's better than the FreeRepublic. Guess this means DailyKaos and EntertainmentTonight are valid sources to. *shrug*

[TracyCoxx]

I'm not an expert at what are valid resources. I needed a source for a story I read about months ago from more legit sources and what was printed in the world net article covered all the bases. I know you see "World Net" and have what you need to call it bunk. But the actual source is BO's school in Indonesia. That photocopy of his school records that lists his citizenship was not made up by World Net. If you're so inclined, and I know you're not, you can google this story and find the same story in whatever your favorite news outlet is.

The fact is, he has spent millions in legal fees to keep his physical birth certificate from being shown. Source? The US Supreme Court.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I'm not an expert at what are valid resources. I needed a source for a story I read about months ago from more legit sources and what was printed in the world net article covered all the bases. I know you see "World Net" and have what you need to call it bunk. But the actual source is BO's school in Indonesia. That photocopy of his school records that lists his citizenship was not made up by World Net. If you're so inclined, and I know you're not, you can google this story and find the same story in whatever your favorite news outlet is.

The fact is, he has spent millions in legal fees to keep his physical birth certificate from being shown. Source? The US Supreme Court.

Here you go:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp

Snopes has ZERO political aspirations and isn't trying to curry favor with any social element.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Here you go:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp

Snopes has ZERO political aspirations and isn't trying to curry favor with any social element.

What's your point? The Snopes article only verifies what I've been saying. Obama has fought in court to keep his original physical birth certificate from being seen. It does say that it has been seen though...

Originally Posted by Snopes

Those who have actually touched and examined the original certificate have verified and documented that it bears all the elements of a valid certificate of live birth.

Where the word 'examined' links to http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

What authority does factcheck.org have to verify a presidential candidate's legal documents? Why does Obama recognize factcheck's authority while fighting to keep his birth certificate out of the courts?

Perhaps it would be easier to accept fact check's claim of authenticity if both factcheck and Obama's Chigaco Annenberg Challenge were not both funded by the Annenberg Foundation. This is a circumstantial connection, but has Conflict of Interest written all over it. To avoid the appearance of wrong doing Obama should have had his facts checked by an organization with zero ties to him, or even better, simply show it to the courts. Seriously... why not? When his swearing in was flubbed, he redid it the next day. Legally he didn't even have to. But he did it to remove any appearance of foul play. Same thing with the birth certificate. Just show it to the courts to remove any appearance of foul play.

[Bionca]

I really don't know what to say without sounding like I'm trying to be insulting. Obama's mother was a US citizen and she gave birth in Hawaii. That makes him a US citizen.

Indonesian school records ... seriously??

As far as why doesn't he show the records? Well if I was in his position, I wouldn't. As long as the SCotUS, Congress, and the Senate were satisfied with the information presented. Also, one must look at the initial reasons that this was even brought up. I wouldn't dignify those accusation with a response either.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by Bionca

I really don't know what to say without sounding like I'm trying to be insulting.
Obama's mother was a US citizen and she gave birth in Hawaii.
That makes him a US citizen. Indonesian school records... seriously??

Well, the problem is you turned a question into a statement of fact. The issue at hand is the debate over whether or not he actually WAS born in Hawaii or were those records forged after the fact.

And keep another X-Files conspiracy fact in mind. By nature, Presidents are instant worldwide celebrities. EVERYONE wants to say they had a part in his life. And, hell, Obama supposedly has a 70-plus popularity rating, right? So you'd REALLY think that people would want to race forward and say "I was there when it ALL began." And yet mysteriously NOT ONE doctor has come forward and stated he delivered Obama in a Hawaiian hospital...NOT ONE doctor has come forward to say he witnessed the birth...NOT ONE nurse has come forward to say she was in attendance either...and NOT ONE hospital worker has been able to attest to working at a hospital where Obama was born.

Originally Posted by Bionca

As far as why doesn't he show the records? Well if I was in his position, I wouldn't.
Also, one must look at the initial reasons that this was even brought up.
I wouldn't dignify those accusation with a response either.

Why wouldn't you? These days for most job applications you have to produce a state certified birth certificate to prove your legal status to work. You know, I saw a message board where people were debating the Obma birth certificate issue and someone summed it up perfectly...

"If someone legally challenged you on your legal citizenship what would you do.
(A) Produce your vault copy Birth Certificate and quickly end the challenge or...
(B) Hire attorney's to represent you in an attempt to dodge it?

When the DNC challenged Senator McCain on the same issue because his birth was in Panama, he produced his in 2 days and abruptly ended the challenge. Meanwhile Obama has hired no less than THREE high priced and high powered law firms to duke it out in court to keep his birth certificate locked away. And he's spent over a million dollars to keep the fight going, with no sign in sight that he'll give up the battle to keep it locked away.

Seriously, think about that for a minute and then ask yourself the incredibly simple question "what's wrong with this picture?": When the Democratic National Committee thought it could make political hay out of McCain's birth, he responded by immediately producing his original birth certificate AND supplemental hospital records within 48 hours. Boom! Issue settled just like that. And yet in stark contrast, when asked to produce the same kind of paperwork, Obama digs in and proceeds to spend a million fucking dollars (and counting) to legally fight anyone seeking to see his.

You don't have to be a conspiracy nut to realize something funny is going on...

[megawatty101]

Originally Posted by Bionca

I really don't know what to say without sounding like I'm trying to be insulting. Obama's mother was a US citizen and she gave birth in Hawaii. That makes him a US citizen.

Indonesian school records ... seriously??

As far as why doesn't he show the records? Well if I was in his position, I wouldn't. As long as the SCotUS, Congress, and the Senate were satisfied with the information presented. Also, one must look at the initial reasons that this was even brought up. I wouldn't dignify those accusation with a response either.

I think the dumbass GOP fell into a trap with the Muslim school thing. The real story is that Obama is obviously a friggin secular guy posing as a Christian, when so much of what he says contradicts claiming to be religious. The Muslim thing was a red herring. It sounded so far fetched and silly, thus making anyone who went on to make other inquiries about Obama look silly. The citizenship flap was the coup de gras.


The press played their part for Obama however, by not investigating Obama's Church. WTF was he doing in a liberation theology "church?" Anyone interested please google up liberation theology and black liberation theology, anyone with some reasoning will realize that adherants to this faith can't actually believe in the supernatural. If instructions say to put marxist principles above a supposedly omnipotent diety, you have a problem.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Perhaps it would be easier to accept Factcheck's claim of authenticity if both Factcheck and Obama's Chigaco Annenberg Challenge were not both funded by the Annenberg Foundation. This is a circumstantial connection, but has Conflict of Interest written all over it.

Conflict of Interest doesn't even BEGIN to describe it considering at one point Obama himself was actually the fucking Chairman of the Annenberg Challenge Board -- from whence Factcheck was born. Not to mention, Annenberg has ALSO locked away and blocked all access to records and meeting notes from when he served in that capacity, too!

[transjen]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Conflict of Interest doesn't even BEGIN to describe it considering at one point Obama himself was actually the fucking Chairman of the Annenberg Challenge Board -- from whence Factcheck was born. Not to mention, Annenberg has ALSO locked away and blocked all access to records and meeting notes from when he served in that capacity, too!

You want FN conflict of intrest go back to 2000 and check on a bitch named Harris in FL and a worm named Jeb in FL, Harris was in charge of elections and also ran KING GEORGE's FL election campaign talk about a conflict of intrest Jennifer

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Wow using WorldNetDaily as a source...guess it's better than the FreeRepublic.
Guess this means DailyKaos and EntertainmentTonight are valid sources to. *shrug*

Well, the Daily Kos WOULD claim they're a valid news source for breaking certain news stories given their diary/blog structure composed by private citizens, people who supposedly have their ears to the ground and thus are giving you an "unfiltered truth." Which is why it's only fair to run the Internet tables and say that everyone ELSE is therefore a valid news source as well, regardless of where they land in the political scheme of things (ie. being on the Left, Middle or Right). In short: welcome to the digital age of the 21st century where anyone with a web site, blog or camcorder and YouTube account can claim to be a valid "reporter" who is breaking a news story.

Besides, while you might not like WorldNetDaily as a "true" news source, keep in mind that the document they are talking about IS a document that actually DOES exist. There's no denying that. So, the bottom line is that while you might not like the messenger, it doesn't discount the story or item they are bringing forth.

Better example still -- Who would've ever predicted that it would take the NATIONAL ENQUIRER of all things...the quintessential supermarket tabloid infamous for its fluff stories...to be the ONE "newspaper" that actually did the job of BEING reporters and following John Edwards, and being the ones to ultimately break the truth about his affair and "love child", which destroyed his run for the Presidency and any future political aspirations?

[TracyCoxx]

Ok, why has Obama's legal people reversed the conviction of Black Panther members who were charged and convicted with voter intimidation? There are videos showing them flashing weapons at voters to intimidate them into voting for Obama.

WHY?!!

[cheersm8]

Hi all, just adding a thought. Nothing to do with Barack Obama, but still relative. I'm a Brit, so I'm asking this, as a Brit. Do you Americans ever feel that you country is to big, both geographiclay, and population wise, to ever have a satisfactory 'please all' president? OK OK, I know that many countries do, and all countries are diverse in the attitudes of their populace, but I do feel that the USA has such varying ideals, beliefs wants and don't wants etc, often town by town differences, not just state by state, that having one President could never be a worthy representative of your nations wishes.
So, whoever the luckless soul is who has the presidential seat is going to be dog wipe to some, and candy to others.

[TracyCoxx]

Cheersm8, good question. It takes a president without the audacity to believe that he is the solution to everyone's problems. He should recognize what you say - that America is large and diverse, and also recognize that Americans are capable of solving many of their own problems.

The US is (supposed to be at least) a government for the people, by the people. It was recognized early on that different regions will have different needs. Thats why there are states, and the states are supposed to be largely self governing. The president should also be well aware of the self correcting nature of capitalism. He should strive to keep the government small and lean. Otherwise, they are inefficiently manging what can be better managed by states who can tailor policies for their specific population.

That said, capitalism isn't perfect. And for that, and other things there are places where US govt can and should step in as a stabilizing force. The US government needs to manage foreign policy, the economy and foreign trade. The president is also commander in chief and is therefore responsible for national security. Other than those things, the national government needs to get out of the way.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Well, the Daily Kos WOULD claim they're a valid news source for breaking certain news stories given their diary/blog structure composed by private citizens, people who supposedly have their ears to the ground and thus are giving you an "unfiltered truth." Which is why it's only fair to run the Internet tables and say that everyone ELSE is therefore a valid news source as well, regardless of where they land in the political scheme of things (ie. being on the Left, Middle or Right). In short: welcome to the digital age of the 21st century where anyone with a web site, blog or camcorder and YouTube account can claim to be a valid "reporter" who is breaking a news story.

Besides, while you might not like WorldNetDaily as a "true" news source, keep in mind that the document they are talking about IS a document that actually DOES exist. There's no denying that. So, the bottom line is that while you might not like the messenger, it doesn't discount the story or item they are bringing forth.

Better example still -- Who would've ever predicted that it would take the NATIONAL ENQUIRER of all things...the quintessential supermarket tabloid infamous for its fluff stories...to be the ONE "newspaper" that actually did the job of BEING reporters and following John Edwards, and being the ones to ultimately break the truth about his affair and "love child", which destroyed his run for the Presidency and any future political aspirations?

1) You are correct, and I think the Internet is doing a horrid thing wrt proper investigative journalism. If opinion can be counted as valid news, and editorializing by the reporter is accepted as fact "news" and "source" become meaningless terms.

2) WND has a deplorable history of fuzzing facts, omitting important bits that don't confirm their intended outcome, fail to cover stories. In short they are only a hair better than the Freepers (the Free Republic).