Your favorite "Gender Bending" movie.

[ARIES666]

Originally Posted by Bionca

I'm not so big on "gender bending" moves but I have liked some of the,

Priscilla Queen of the Desert
Victor/Victoria
spring to mind. My issue is, often Hollywood just gets stuff so very wrong.

One movie I absolutely LOVE and recommend HIGHLY is Paris is Burning. It's a documentary, so not really "gender bending" exactly.

I also liked The Crying Game for everything EXCEPT the Trans* story line. It was played for shock, the reaction of the guy once he discovered the "dirty secret" was to hit her and vomit, her ex BF was in a dream sequence laughing at the main character after the discovery. The parts about racism in Ireland, the IRA/UK conflict, English classism were all well done.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion,of course. But Bionca, I have to disagree with you about The Crying Game. I have seen this movie many, many times and feel the "trans story line" is as important as anything else in the movie. I do not think it was played for "shock value" at all. Yes, "Fergus" hit "Dil" in one scene. But what you have this straight guy from Northern Ireland who has never seen a T-G, let alone sleep with with one end up in Dil's apartment. Not only is Dil a TG, but she is also black. The whole situation could have been avoided if two things had happened...firstly Dil should have forwarned Fergus about her gender and secondly, the bartender at the bar was about to tell Fergus about Dil, but got interrupted by Dil's singing performance. If Fergus only knew that the bar where Dil hung out was a gay bar! Dil just assumed that Fergus was gay.

And as for Dil's gay boyfriends? Jody was seduced by a female IRA agent! And then there's Dave, who on two occasions, slaps, manhandles and abuses Dil. She kicks him out of her apt. And then Fergus enters her life. Remember what happened the day after the incident in Dil's apartment. She brought him lunch at his work and apologized for not telling him first. And then near the end of the movie...Dil shoots and kills Miranda Richardson, but Fergus protects Dil and does the prison time for the shooting. Now that is true love! I think you might want to watch The Crying Game again. I think it is a great love story (amongst other things)

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by ARIES666

Everybody is entitled to their opinion,of course. But Bionca, I have to disagree with you about The Crying Game. I have seen this movie many, many times and feel the "trans story line" is as important as anything else in the movie. I do not think it was played for "shock value" at all. Yes, "Fergus" hit "Dil" in one scene. But what you have this straight guy from Northern Ireland who has never seen a T-G, let alone sleep with with one end up in Dil's apartment. Not only is Dil a TG, but she is also black. The whole situation could have been avoided if two things had happened...firstly Dil should have forwarned Fergus about her gender and secondly, the bartender at the bar was about to tell Fergus about Dil, but got interrupted by Dil's singing performance. If Fergus only knew that the bar where Dil hung out was a gay bar! Dil just assumed that Fergus was gay.

And as for Dil's gay boyfriends? Jody was seduced by a female IRA agent! And then there's Dave, who on two occasions, slaps, manhandles and abuses Dil. She kicks him out of her apt. And then Fergus enters her life. Remember what happened the day after the incident in Dil's apartment. She brought him lunch at his work and apologized for not telling him first. And then near the end of the movie...Dil shoots and kills Miranda Richardson, but Fergus protects Dil and does the prison time for the shooting. Now that is true love! I think you might want to watch The Crying Game again. I think it is a great love story (amongst other things)

Sorry, I really can't get over violence against trans* women justified and explained away as "they shoulda said something first". The fact she apologized after the fact made it worse. It was clearly written for shock value - to lure the guys in and *ZOMG! it's a dooood*

I also didn't read either of her boyfriends as "gay". They were pretty typical of guys who date trans* women though. Usually in a love story there is some uniting on the parts of the individuals. The last scene shows Dil visiting Fergus in jail and he doesn't look pleased to see her and askes her (I think) not to touch him or some such. Not exactly the grand love story ending.

[ARIES666]

Well, Bionca...we will leave it at that then...we will agree to disagree! I just want to say one last thing, however. The way the movie ends is similar to many other movies where the writer/director leaves it up to the viewer to "fill the ending" (Did Rhett go back to Scarlett?). In my own mind, after doing 5-6years in jail for her, Fergus and Dil live happily ever-after....but I am just a hopeless romantic I guess.

Oh, as for Rhett going back to Scarlett? Don't even mention that made-for-tv sequel with Tomothy Dalton! lol

[Amy]

Breakfast on Pluto is brilliant.

[johndowe]

Hi there.

How about Tango and Cash, when Kurt Russel's character has to escape a strip club and has to do it in drag...

But true gender benders.

Some like it hot, with Marilyn Monroe, Tony Curtis & Jack Lemmon.
It's a boy girl thing.
Priscilla...
To Wang-Fu...
La cage aux folles, The bird cage (1&2).
She's the man.
He's my girl.

Those come to mind.

JohnDowe.

[franalexes]

"Creature"

[ila]

Originally Posted by franalexes

"Creature"

Unfortunately that is a very hard movie to get hold of now. I've been looking for several months now and it seems no one has ever heard of it in the places that I've inquired.