Barack Obama

[transjen]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Well, to be a bit fair to the GOP, a big backbone to their support are pro-life religious groups and the GOP has definitely staked out the ground as being the anti-abortion party. That said, the so-called nominee on hold -- Kathleen Sebelius, who as of yesterday has been approved -- was someone who has repeatedly stated she's pro-life, a devout Catholic and personally against abortion...and yet her record as Governor of Kansas shows the direct opposite and that she's pretty much every pro-life person's worst nightmare legislatively speaking. Not to mention, she has likewise taken campaign contributions from a rather repugnant abortion doctor well-known and well-documented for performing exceedingly late term abortions, even if they skirted the law -- and she lied about the size of the contributions.

Then again, she ALSO didn't pay her taxes properly.
But hey, that's almost a REQUIREMENT now to be on Team Obama...

The GOP being the pro life party is the biggest sham ever pulled second only to they don't want tax money. Just think if the GOP ever really baned it then they'll lose there biggest get the troops to the poles and they would loose the biggest non issue to talk about you had the sawed off runt W you had the senate and the house and you have the unsupreme court 5/4 and yet W didn't ban it for Rev Farrwell that alone tells me the GOP is playing the pro lifers as chumps

[randolph]

From Washington Monthly

STEELE TAKES GOP TALKING POINTS OFF THE TABLE.... One of the more common concerns voiced by conservatives, especially at the recent "Tea Parties," relates to bailouts. Republicans on the Hill have tried to pick up on this, and distance the party from the practice.

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele decided to step on his party's message quite a bit this morning.

Michael Steele says the GOP would be "disingenuous" if it blamed Democrats for poor economic performance, since Republicans started the bailout process in the first place.

"Look, we can't go back out and start pointing fingers at Democrats and saying, 'Look how bad they're performing, look at what they're doing with the economy,' when we jumpstarted this thing," Steele said on MSNBC's Morning Joe. "We were the ones that put the $700 billion on the table and said, 'All right, let's start nationalizing the banking system.'"

Added Steele, "So now, for us to stand back and go, 'Oh, that's a bad thing to do' is disingenuous."

I suppose this is intended to be candor. To hear Steele tell it, Republicans are owning up to the moments where its actions were inconsistent with its principles. Perhaps there's some value in that.

But the Republican goal of late is to connect the majority to the unpopular bailouts, and blame Democrats for poor management of the economy. The RNC chairman just went on national television to say those criticisms against Democrats just aren't fair and aren't even accurate.

Maybe Steele is a DNC plant?

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Michael Steele says the GOP would be "disingenuous" if it blamed Democrats for poor economic performance, since Republicans started the bailout process in the first place.

Not all republicans were for the bailout. They could have changed the accounting system to one that makes more sense, and that would have instantly erased a lot of the money problems.

There was also pork in those bills but not like the obama stimulus packages. That supported every pet democrat project ever thought up plus gave a reward to everyone who supported BO.

Originally Posted by transjen

I always find it funny that the GOP claims they are the party of freedom and they believe that goverment should have no say in peoples lives yet they want to ban same sex marrige and ban abortion isn't that goverment saying how to live your life? Where's the freedom to marry who you love? And where's the womans choice to have or not have a baby?

I agree with you there. If the GOP favors small government, then they shouldn't be trying to dictate social issues like that and religion. I don't think they have a consistent philosophy driving all their policies.

[randolph]

From Greg Laden
According to a Washington Post/ABC poll, only 21% of Americans identify themselves as Republicans. That is getting dangerously close to the percentage of Americans who believe they have seen UFOs or alien craft or have been abducted by aliens. I think they may be the same individuals.

Gee, could Fox news and Rush losing their devotees?
Or, is just plain reality setting in.

My grand parents were republicans, my parents were republicans and I voted for Eisenhower. Since then the grand old party has lost its true conservatism. Then conservatism meant fiscal and social responsibility. Now it means cut taxes and spend more money (irresponsible Reaganomics), pander to right wing extremists and sell out to corporate interests. Obama extended a hand to the republicans and they refused it now they are marginalized. The democrats are free to trillionize the budget. Oops, did I say budget? There ain't no budget! All we can do is hang on to the handle bars because the brakes are gone and there are blind curves ahead. We might as well enjoy the ride because we cant turn around and we cant get off. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[transjen]

Look for things to really get ugly, The first of the unserprem court has handed in his letter now the fur will be flying i can hear RUSH'S ditto heads screaming there goes our country Jennifer

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

From Greg Laden
According to a Washington Post/ABC poll, only 21% of Americans identify themselves as Republicans. That is getting dangerously close to the percentage of Americans who believe they have seen UFOs or alien craft or have been abducted by aliens. I think they may be the same individuals.

Gee, could Fox news and Rush losing their devotees?
Or, is just plain reality setting in.

You don't think that those 79% that don't identify themselves as republican think like you do, or like BO does do you? I would be one of the 79% who does not consider myself a republican.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by randolph

From Greg Laden
According to a Washington Post/ABC poll, only 21% of Americans identify themselves as Republicans. That is getting dangerously close to the percentage of Americans who believe they have seen UFOs or alien craft or have been abducted by aliens. I think they may be the same individuals.

Gee, could Fox news and Rush losing their devotees?
Or, is just plain reality setting in.

My grand parents were republicans, my parents were republicans and I voted for Eisenhower. Since then the grand old party has lost its true conservatism. Then conservatism meant fiscal and social responsibility. Now it means cut taxes and spend more money (irresponsible Reaganomics), pander to right wing extremists and sell out to corporate interests...

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

You don't think that those 79% that don't identify themselves as republican think like you do, or like BO does do you?
I would be one of the 79% who does not consider myself a republican.

Well, it's sort of interesting that you would call it "irresponsible Reaganomics" given that the Reagan years DID account for some of the most robust economic growth in all of American history, not to mention Reaganomics DID pull us out of the utter financial catastrophe that was named Jimmy Carter.

And I wouldn't be so worried about that 21% identification number. In politics, it all changes on the stop of a dime. In fact, here's a historical footnote to consider: that's the SAME percentage that existed back when Nixon left office due to Watergate, which ironically set the stage for Carter's election. And yet it only took 4 simple years of Carter being the total fuck-up that he was for him to turn the country against him, at which point Reagan rode into office on a vote that now saw the country completely flip-flopping once again and becoming anti-Democrat. And of course, four years after that Reagan won reelection in a 49 state landslide that saw a return of sky Republican "voter identification" percentages.

Oh, and one more thing for the record. While the news media (in particular the New York Times) is so "enchanted" with Obama's first 100 days in office, right now he actually has LESS of an approval rating than Jimmy Carter did at his 100 day mark. And again, we all know how well things worked out there!

[transjen]

Oh here we go agian let slam Carter and maybe they'll let up on slaming Bush, I got news for you the lousy 70 ecomy started in the early 70s under Nixon and Ford so Carter inherted the problems and trurt be told Jimmy Carter on his worst day was a 1000 times better then George W Bush, And you want to know why the NY Times is overjoyed with Obama's first 100 days? It easy to see after 8 years of disater named George W Bush the most hated and worst US president of all time who should have been impeached. Jennifer

[TracyCoxx]

Well at least you're hot.

[jenny_jizz]

Originally Posted by randolph

From Greg Laden
According to a Washington Post/ABC poll, only 21% of Americans identify themselves as Republicans. That is getting dangerously close to the percentage of Americans who believe they have seen UFOs or alien craft or have been abducted by aliens. I think they may be the same individuals.

Did that poll mention how many Americans consider themselves as members of a third party or as independents? Because I myself have become fed up with the two mainstream parties in recent years, and I'd assume a number of others have feld the same way.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by transjen

...that alone tells me the GOP is playing the pro lifers as chumps

Well, keep in mind that the pro-lifers have nowhere else to go. I mean, they CERTAINLY can't go to the Democratic party -- after all, part of the Democratic platform that gets ratified at each and every convention is a formal legal statement that the party will absolutely, positively stand behind pro-choice stances, including even expanding abortion rights.

So, the pro-choicers are sort of between a rock and a hard place. To them, abortion is an issue nearest and dearest to their heart, but unfortunately they're swimming against a strong tide. The problem they have is that while every poll shows that most Americans are actually AGAINST abortion -- that is, the larger number of Americans would obviously like to see the number of abortions that get performed each year drastically reduced -- all the same, most people ALSO tend to think it should still be a personal decision that gets left up to a person/couple.

I mean, it's just one of those classic political quandaries. Do you like Obama? Right now, the polls show that a majority of people DO. Do you like Obama's policies and the direction of the country? The same polls show that people DON'T. At which point you're left scratching your head and saying, "Huh? How can you have both?" Abortion is the same -- ask people if they are against abortion, the majority say "Yes." Ask them if you think it should therefore be outlawed to support that viewpoint, then they suddenly say "No."

[transjen]

I always find it funny that the GOP claims they are the party of freedom and they believe that goverment should have no say in peoples lives yet they want to ban same sex marrige and ban abortion isn't that goverment saying how to live your life? Where's the freedom to marry who you love? And where's the womans choice to have or not have a baby? FYI i'm not in favor of abortion and i not in favor of an out right ban mainly because every case is differnt and sadly at times it's the best for those involved talking about medical reasons Jennifer