Barack Obama

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Isn't Fox news mainstream?

Nah, even left wing bloggers and talk radio hosts are seated in front of Fox News at the Whitehouse press conferences now.

Originally Posted by randolph

This tudu seems to involve Utah getting another congressman by counting their missionaries that are out of state!

They are one group that is affected, and because of that they raised the issue. That doesn't change the fact that this has huge repercussions for future elections does it?

Originally Posted by randolph

Well good ole Karl Rove went all out to manipulate elections and Repubs cheered him along.

And Obama's campaign copied Rove's strategy to get into the Whitehouse. Fine. That's a campaign strategy. That's not the same as using the power of the executive branch to define political boundaries is it?

I don't think you're going to be able to put lipstick on this pig and keep a straight face. Would you answer the statement and question I asked you from above?

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

This is bigger than gerrymandering. This would have the power of the executive office (i.e. a full branch out of the US's 3 branches) behind it, and a majority of congress. Let's say this happened 3-4 years ago, when the Republicans had the Whitehouse and Congress. Would you be ok with the Whitehouse having control of voting districts under those circumstances?

[randolph]

If you are calling Obama a pig then I am through with you!

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

If you are calling Obama a pig then I am through with you!

LMAO
It's an expression. And the pig I was referring to is the ISSUE of moving the Census to the Whitehouse.

Edited to add:
BTW, nice dodge. I almost forgot you still haven't answered my statement/question:

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

This is bigger than gerrymandering. This would have the power of the executive office (i.e. a full branch out of the US's 3 branches) behind it, and a majority of congress. Let's say this happened 3-4 years ago, when the Republicans had the Whitehouse and Congress. Would you be ok with the Whitehouse having control of voting districts under those circumstances?

Let's go a step further...

Originally Posted by FoxNews

the White House chief of staff can't be expected to handle the census in a neutral manner. Emanuel ran the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in the 2006 election, and he was instrumental in getting Democrats elected into the majority.

This Emanuel guy is the Carl Rove of the democratic party. Would you be ok with Carl Rove overseeing the Census?

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I don't think you're going to be able to put lipstick on this pig and keep a straight face. Would you answer the statement and question I asked you from above?

Originally Posted by randolph

If you are calling Obama a pig then I am through with you!

Randolph, take it easy. Don't read too much into the words, instead read between the lines. Tracy wasn't calling Obama a pig per se -- she was playfully and wittily using a line that came about during the Presidential campaign, which started when Sarah Palin made an infamous joke during her nomination convention speech, which is now part of pop culture, that compared Hockey Moms to pit bulls with lip stick...

...Which, shortly afterwards, Obama tried to mock during an appearance, but he stupidly mangled the words (later claiming he misspoke and was mentally exhausted from being on the campaign trail) where HE created a momentary political and media firestorm as many people felt HE had actually called Palin a pig.

Besides, purely on it's surface, you can take her words on face value for what they actually mean. Namely, you can't put lipstick on this Census pig and dress it up and pass it off for something it's not. The bottom line remains, as I explained in my post as well, that what Obama and the Democrats are trying to do is to clearly circumvent particular government agencies to ultimately manipulate Census data, which in turn will affect Congressional redistricting. Any way you try to slice it, THAT'S what they're up to and everyone sees it for what it is. Hence her "lipstick on a pig" analogy is dead on target.