Barack Obama

[McLuvinladyboys]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

I think it's a big step forward that Barack Obama will soon be the first black guy to lose a US presidential election.

people so quickly forget jessie jackson

[new believer]

What distresses me (as an American Libertarian) is that at minimal 30% of votes that are in the democractic favor are fraudulent. i.e. multiple ,dead, non citizens and 'made up' voters. Yet they get away with it because of apathy,stupidity and fear of onslaught by the very anti Republican media. Republicans are not saints by any measure but Democrats are definitly demons in halo's. Many Republicans if given a chance are much as Democrats for example to 'look the other way' towards a individuals lifestyles. Can anyone imagine Republicans dis-owning their gay son's and daughters. Even famous one's like Reagan and Cheney admit to their own children's choice's as their own private matter and have given love and support regardless. What Republicans take heat on is 'not giving ADDED ' rights and privileges such as affirmitive action. That in itself is discrimination. Murder is murder,theft is theft and so on. When a white male kills another white male for money that is a hate crime(he hated that the victim had money he hadn't). Where I want to go with this I have no clue. But I left the Democratic party long after they sold me out and just after I discovered that they play on and use fear from every voter out there to grab self serving power and wealth. I'll challange anyone to list any legislation that took any action to strip anyone of any rights protected by the Constitution. Democrats have. Immigration bill=1967, rights of self defense,from 1968 to current(remember the looting/killing and raping during Katrina) it was a Democrat who dis-armed everyone from their ONLY means of protection. And now,even as Obama speaks of 'change' his stimulus deal allows corporate theives to still get massive bonuses all the while his mouth says otherwise. Get the details and confirm it yourself. I have. Hey, I'm just a libertarian, my party cannot change anything while the 'masses are asses'(an old American phrase used by old currupt democrats over 100 years ago meaning you CAN fool anyone and those you can't, have short memories.). As for one of my best phrases, "Live long and prosper" .

[randolph]

I am amazed we have hard core Republicans on this site. If my memory serves me well, Senior Bush stated that Homosexuals, Transsexuals and Atheists should be denied the right to vote!
Anyway, I suppose Republicans will continue to worship Rush Limbaugh as the Germans worshiped Hitler. It is a mean spirited intolerant destructive view of the world which will perpetuate the misery we are in.

[randolph]

The nation's first African-American president attended his first Alfalfa Club Dinner as commander in chief last night, and Barack Obama got into the spirit of the evening with jokes aimed at the dinner itself, his famously profane chief of staff and even himself.

According to the White House, among the jokes the president told were:

- "I am seriously glad to be here tonight at the annual Alfalfa dinner. I know that many you are aware that this dinner began almost one hundred years ago as a way to celebrate the birthday of General Robert E. Lee. If he were here with us tonight, the general would be 202 years old. And very confused."

- "Now, this hasn't been reported yet, but it was actually Rahm's idea to do the swearing-in ceremony again. Of course, for Rahm, every day is a swearing-in ceremony."

"But don't believe what you read. Rahm Emanuel (Obama's chief of staff) is a real sweetheart.

"No, it's true. Every week the guy takes a little time away to give back to the community. Just last week he was at a local school, teaching profanity to poor children."

- "But these are the kind of negotiations you have to deal with as president. In just the first few weeks, I've had to engage in some of the toughest diplomacy of my life. And that was just to keep my BlackBerry.

"I finally agreed to limit the number of people who could e-mail me. It's a very exclusive list. How exclusive?

"Everyone look at the person sitting on your left. Now look at the person sitting on your right. None of you have my e-mail address."

As the Associated Press notes, among the others in attendance at the Capitol Hilton in Washington were 2008 Republican presidential nominee John McCain, a senator from Arizona, and his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

The dinner is supposed to be off-the-record, but reports of what was said always leak out.

Politico reports that:

Looking to Joe Lieberman, the Democrat-turned-independent-turned McCain supporter, Obama told the Connecticut senator he had no hard feelings.

The door is always open, Obama assured Lieberman, who observes the Sabbath, so feel to drop by -- any Saturday afternoon.

To Palin, Obama expressed surprise to see her with such members of the Washington elite she railed against during the campaign. Or, as he termed it in language Palin is familiar with, "palling around with this crew."

The Washington Post says that Lieberman, who also spoke, "noted that former vice president Richard B. Cheney injured himself while moving into his new home, according to a source inside the dinner. 'I had no idea waterboards were so heavy,' Lieberman quipped."

And, the Post reports:

The incoming club president, Sen. Christopher S. Bond, R-Mo. reminded guests that a newspaper recently published a list of the 25 people most responsible for the global economic meltdown. "You know who you are," he said, according to the source. "And it's good to see you here tonight."

[carmella1]

Finally america has a good president.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

I am amazed we have hard core Republicans on this site. If my memory serves me well, Senior Bush stated that Homosexuals, Transsexuals and Atheists should be denied the right to vote!
Anyway, I suppose Republicans will continue to worship Rush Limbaugh as the Germans worshiped Hitler. It is a mean spirited intolerant destructive view of the world which will perpetuate the misery we are in.

As an atheist, shemale lover, and sometimes a transvestite, I certainly don't agree with much of the Republican agenda. But... I agree whole heartedly with their fiscal conservatism and anti-welfare stance (well at least for real republicans, there's been too many RINOs lately), and most of their foreign policy.

As for Rush and Hitler, please explain your comparison.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

lol, a republican supporter mentioning the economy! Hey, I got an idea, lets have less regulation, that will solve the crisis caused by unregulated markets!!

and I love the idea of republicans of fiscal conservatives. I didn't realise that mountains of debt and a banking system in collapse was fiscal conservatism.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

lol, a republican supporter mentioning the economy! Hey, I got an idea, lets have less regulation, that will solve the crisis caused by unregulated markets!!

and I love the idea of republicans of fiscal conservatives. I didn't realise that mountains of debt and a banking system in collapse was fiscal conservatism.

Did you read the part I wrote in parenthesis? Here, let me reprint it for you.

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

But... I agree whole heartedly with their fiscal conservatism and anti-welfare stance (well at least for real republicans, there's been too many RINOs lately), and most of their foreign policy.

Perhaps you don't know what RINO means. Republican In Name Only. As for your crack about regulation, the markets HAVE been regulated. It was government intervention that I was referring to above that forced banks to make loans to unqualified recipients. So much for that idea.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Did you read the part I wrote in parenthesis? Here, let me reprint it for you.


Perhaps you don't know what RINO means. Republican In Name Only. As for your crack about regulation, the markets HAVE been regulated. It was government intervention that I was referring to above that forced banks to make loans to unqualified recipients. So much for that idea.

You are partially right. Both Republican and Democrats supported easy loans to low income people. Unfortunately, crucial oversite regulations essential to keep the system from spinning out of control were ignored or removed. Greenspan and the rest of the free marketers had the naive view that markets would automatically regulate themselves. They didn't realize that a "free" market opens things up for the Madoff types.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

As an atheist, shemale lover, and sometimes a transvestite, I certainly don't agree with much of the Republican agenda. But... I agree whole heartedly with their fiscal conservatism and anti-welfare stance (well at least for real republicans, there's been too many RINOs lately), and most of their foreign policy.

As for Rush and Hitler, please explain your comparison.

One example; Rush has demonized "liberals" as if they were a dire threat to the country.
Hitler demonized "Jews" as if they were a dire threat to the country.

I grew up as a Republican and I still believe in fiscal conservatism(aka, Eisenhower).
However, the Republican party has become corrupted by religious fundamentalism and the military/industrial complex.
Actually, the Democrats are pretty well corrupted and not far behind.
Obama?? Hope

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

One example; Rush has demonized "liberals" as if they were a dire threat to the country.
Hitler demonized "Jews" as if they were a dire threat to the country.

Perhaps he didn't like what Carter did to the country with those double digit inflation rates, double digit interest rates, double digit unemployment, and long gas lines and gas rationing. Yes, these things really did happen. Please tell me how this is not a threat to the country? Please (after reading what I wrote above about ACORN and the CRA), tell me how the CRA is good for the country?

But on to your analogy. You're saying Rush has done to liberals what Hitler has done to the Jews? Rush forces liberals into concentration camps under gunpoint? Rush puts liberals into labor camps and to the gas chamber and runs experiments on them? How many liberals has Rush's men killed? 6 million? 6 hundred? Even 6? Any??? Has he even shot a spit ball at one?

Originally Posted by randolph

However, the Republican party has become corrupted by religious fundamentalism

Originally Posted by randolph

Actually, the Democrats are pretty well corrupted and not far behind.

On this we agree

[McLuvinladyboys]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

But on to your analogy. You're saying Rush has done to liberals what Hitler has done to the Jews? Rush forces liberals into concentration camps under gunpoint? Rush puts liberals into labor camps and to the gas chamber and runs experiments on them? How many liberals has Rush's men killed? 6 million? 6 hundred? Even 6? Any??? Has he even shot a spit ball at one?




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yeah however you and i know that if he could he fucking would rush is a total douche bag he and that other fat fuck micheal moore are two sides of the same disgusting coin. both of them have thier own agendas and are just stirring up trouble

i think however that randolph was obviously not saying that rush is putting people in concentration camps and its rather foolish of you to take it there.
what he IS saying, is that rush, like those who worked for the nazis is attempting to create an atmosphere of fear, paranoia, and hatred for those who he disagrees with.
he tells blantant lies and blames all the countries woes on the dems. sounds like hitler blaming germanys woes on the jews.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by randolph

I am amazed we have hard core Republicans on this site. If my memory serves me well, Senior Bush stated that Homosexuals, Transsexuals and Atheists should be denied the right to vote!

No offense, Randolph, but your memory doesn't seem to be serving you well since I tried Googling this in various ways and could NOT find a single instance of Bush Sr. ever saying that. On the other hand, since you're so interested in personal rights, you CAN easily Google "same sex marriage" and immediately discover that Obama is against that even as we speak.

But, hey, when talking about social rights and politics, why talk about the guy currently in the Oval Office when it's far easier to blur the argument by pointing backwards 17 YEARS in time to mention someone no longer in power?

Originally Posted by randolph

Anyway, I suppose Republicans will continue to worship Rush Limbaugh as the Germans worshiped Hitler. It is a mean spirited intolerant destructive view of the world which will perpetuate the misery we are in.

Ah, the ol' Rush finger pointing tactic as well. You mean Republicans listening to him as opposed to those on the Left worshipping at the media altar of Keith Olbermann and his ego and anger fueled rants...or worshipping a hate-fueled web site like the Daily Kos...which likewise are sooooo helpful to raising the country out of its misery?

[randolph]

Creative Mind
No offense, Randolph, but your memory doesn't seem to be serving you well since I tried Googling this in various ways and could NOT find a single instance of Bush Sr. ever saying that.

This popped up with search (bush atheist)
When George Bush was campaigning for the presidency, as incumbent vice president, one of his stops was in Chicago, Illinois, on August 27, 1987. At O'Hare Airport he held a formal outdoor news conference. There Robert I. Sherman, a reporter for the American Atheist news journal, fully accredited by the state of Illinois and by invitation a participating member of the press corps covering the national candidates had the following exchange with then Vice President Bush.

Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the Americans who are atheists?

Bush: I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in god is important to me.

Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?

Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

Sherman (somewhat taken aback): Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?

Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on atheists.

Obama is interested in saving this country from the irresponsibility of past administrations. We need to FLUSH RUSH!

[randolph]

Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

I've talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper."

So Creativemind, is Bush is your good buddy???

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by randolph

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

I've talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper."

So Creativemind, is Bush is your good buddy???

Actually, this will probably shock you, Randolph (or probably not), but - yes - he is still my "good buddy" because the Constitution IS just a goddamned piece of paper. Well, I take that back since on the surface that sounds rather harsh. Truth be told, I actually consider it to be a blessed piece of paper since I'm religious at heart and I do feel America is God's gift to the world. But all the same, it's still just a piece of paper. Look, here's my personal viewpoint, which is the same basic POINT that Bush was essentially trying to make in his outburst, which you're now trying to demonize or radicalize by taking it out of context...

The Constitution is a legal document, but our Founding Fathers DESIGNED and MEANT for it to be flexible. They DESIGNED and MEANT for it to be altered and amended over time, recognizing that time and history would march on. And even more important, they realized events would change the world around America...they would change the country both without and from within...and thus there would naturally have to be revisions or even all-new interpretations of the Constitution over time. Off the cuff examples: the eventual abolishment of slavery, voting rights for women, etc. The bottom line: the Constitution was NEVER meant to be a document that was SO written in stone that you could NEVER change it or even debate aspects of it.

That's why your anecdote has no weight once you put it into THAT proper context. Because the simple point remains that Bush -- as the sitting President and in the aftermath of 9/11 -- felt that the Patriot Act and it's various tangents needed to be enacted for the security of the country. That was his personal belief and conviction as President, who IS the one person sworn and charged to protect the nation at all costs. As a result, he wasn't going to be swayed from doing what he felt was necessary, which basically makes him the same as all Presidents before him...and, yes, all Presidents yet to come...who will likewise feel that way once they are actually sitting in the Oval Office and feeling the weight and responsibility of protecting the nation upon their shoulders.

Now me -- personally -- that's how I see it. Which is why I agree with Bush's outburst. In fact, again not to shock you, IF I were ever elected President... and IF I were sitting in the Oval Office and there was something that I believed in SO strongly and personally... and IF there was something I felt we absolutely, positively needed to do to ensure the nation's security or prosperity or continuation of particular ideals that I held true to my heart... AND THEN some staffer came up to me and said, "Gee, Mr. President, I'm not sure the Constitution allows for that", I have news for you: I'D SAY THE EXACT SAME THING.

In short, I'd turn to my Chief of Staff and say "Fuck this shit. I'm not listening to this guy. It's a piece of paper that someone is interpreting one way. So, go find me Constitutional scholars and lawyers who see it MY way and let's fight this out in the court until I get my way. Because by all that's holy, I INTEND TO GET MY WAY ON THIS."

Of course, this leads to the far broader discussion that BEING President allows you to pick and appoint Federal Judges...right up to stacking the Supreme Court, if history times itself right while you're the one sitting in the Oval Office...who will see and interpret things "your way" and thus legally allow you to do what you want. But, hey, that's a whole other topic for debate!

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

[Lac79]

meh, Government is always fail, no matter who is in charge. I wish I had my own Island with Areeya and Sheila Ferraz... yes... oh yes... ok, gotta go take care of something now :D

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by randolph

I am amazed we have hard core Republicans on this site. If my memory serves me well, Senior Bush stated that Homosexuals, Transsexuals and Atheists should be denied the right to vote!
Anyway, I suppose Republicans will continue to worship Rush Limbaugh as the Germans worshiped Hitler. It is a mean spirited intolerant destructive view of the world which will perpetuate the misery we are in.

Yup! Todays' Reps are NOT our friends :-) They are a bunch of dinosaurs who feel so deeply hateful to a democratic world with an IQ above 5... to the neocon Reps this is all about two sides: either we're a bunch of socialist, marxist, muslim, gay, transsexual, anti-american terrorists or a good group of "God"-fearing, corrupt, totally-"patriotic", double-standard, laissez-faire capitalist fascists who weep like sheep when we hear a national anthem, put our devious hands over our devious hearts and pour our blood...... nothing in between... :-)

But good for the world that they had their kicks... and now are out of here... bloody undemocratic, hateful nazis...

Well, Reagan was different, but that's another talk. He was the last truly democratic Republican. He fucked up American economy, but he did end the cold war. That's his claim to fame - and a good one!

H

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by new believer

What distresses me (as an American Libertarian) is that at minimal 30% of votes that are in the democractic favor are fraudulent. i.e. multiple ,dead, non citizens and 'made up' voters. Yet they get away with it because of apathy,stupidity and fear of onslaught by the very anti Republican media.

This TOTALLY pisses me off. In fact, this is one of the primary reasons why I DO support the concept of a 21st century, modern times and current with today's technology "National ID card" to verify EXACTLY "who" you are and IF you are in fact a legal citizen and all that. Hell, in this day and age, think of it -- you could walk around with ONE card in your wallet that is your Driver's license, your ID card (for voting), it could be programmed and activated as your Mastercard and Visa too, it could hold your medical information in digital form if you were in an accident and suddenly taken to a hospital, it could have your insurance information -- for crying out loud, it could serve as your friggin' library card to boot! With today's technology, it could literally be all sorts of things in one.

Yet why don't we do that? Because those on the ultra Left always bitch that something like a national ID card would be an "invasion of privacy"...it's having "too much information" available...and yet we all go through life with ALL of those things I just mentioned ANYWAY. In fact, if you DON'T have those things, life in the 21st century is essentially tougher on you as well. So even using the base argument of "quality of life" it makes sense to upgrade systems across the board for proper identification of everyone.

Bottom line: you're right, New Believer. Regardless of WHICH political party you belong to...and let the record show that I totally respect the right of everyone to pick a side based on their own personal beliefs....but when you start having numbers that are off at a staggering 30% rate OR -- like we just had in the Obama election where Ohio was an outright joke over voter registrations and irregularities, which the Ohio Election Board REFUSED to even investigate -- then democracy is in the toilet when you can't even stage a fair and honest vote count.

Or new case in point: the still undecided Minnesota Senate race where Norm Coleman had beaten crock of a candidate Al Franken until magically an entire box of uncounted ballots just HAPPENED to be discovered -- after the fact -- in the trunk of someone's car, thus throwing everything into pandemonium. Not to mention, you KNOW the Franken election is for utter shit when even now ALL... yes, ALL... Minnesota polls show that the people there DON'T want Franken in office by a wide and sizable margin. So with such a wide poll margin going in one direction, just who the hell voted for him to supposedly make him the winner, hmm?