Everything you wanted to know about TS gurls

[randolph]

Keep it up gurls. Bionca's gentleness and Fran's flaming worked for one, it should work for more of us guys with brains in our balls.

[marlowe]

18,997.

[randolph]

Some of you may already know that the Pope condemned homosexuality and transsexuality as a greater threat to humanity than global warming! Christianity, supposedly, preaches tolerance yet its leaders preach the opposite. This is just one of the reasons why people who are perceived to be different are mistreated and persecuted. The world will never be a safe place for humanity as long as we have assholes fomenting intolerance.

[randolph]

Transsexuals in history:

Some transsexual individuals from myth and history:
bullet Venus Castina was a mythical ancient Greek goddess who "reacted sympathetically to feminine souls locked up in male bodies."

bullet Sardanapalus, an Assyrian king, allegedly dressed in women's clothing and spun thread with his wives. 1

bullet Some Scythian soldiers were said to have pillaged the temple of Venus at Ascelon in ancient times. The Goddess retaliated by converting the male soldiers into females and affecting their descendents in the same way. 2

bullet Philo of Judea (30 BCE to 40 CE) wrote about transsexuality.

bullet Ovid (43 BCE to 18 CE) was a prolific Roman poet. One of his most famous works is a play titled Metamorphoses. In it, Teresias -- a male -- becomes Teresa when he hit two copulating snakes with a piece of wood. She was transformed back into a male by the same process. 1

bullet Emperor Nero (37 to 68 CE)is said to have sought a replacement for his wife that he had previously murdered. The face of Sporum, a young male ex-slave, resembled his late wife. So Nero had Sporum transformed into a woman; he later married her. 2

bullet Gregory Tours (538 to 594 CE) wrote a story about a man who had worn women's clothing as a child and had continued into adulthood by dressing as a nun and living in a convent. 1

bullet During the ninth century CE, John Anglicus -- an English scientist -- was allegedly elected pope of the Roman Catholic Church by an unanimous vote, to succeed Pope Leo V in 853 CE. However, according to the story, he was actually Joan, a woman. She gave birth during a procession in Rome and was either assassinated on the spot or sent to a convent for the rest of her life to repent. There is no such pope in modern official church records. 3

bullet There are records in the 13th century of two European women who dressed in monk's garments in order to masquerade as males: one was Palagia who to keep her former life as a prostitute secret; another was a woman escaping from an unhappy marriage. 1

bullet During the 17th century, Abbé de Choisy, a genetic male, played as an actress for five months and later became the Ambassador of Louis XIV to Siam. 2

bullet Chevalier d'Eon (1728 to 1810) was a male French diplomat and mistress to King Louis XV. He spent the second half of his life as a woman. Eonism, a term referring to cross-gendered behavior, was derived from d'Eon's name. It was first used by Havelock Ellis, an early human sexuality researcher. Its usage is now obsolete.

bullet Lord Cornbury was the first royal governor of New Jersey and New York from 1702 to 1708. He is widely believed to have dressed as a woman during his term in office. However, Patricia Bonomi has written a book attacking this belief and attributing them to rumors by his political enemies. 4

[transjen]

Originally Posted by randolph

Some of you may already know that the Pope condemned homosexuality and transsexuality as a greater threat to humanity than global warming! Christianity, supposedly, preaches tolerance yet its leaders preach the opposite. This is just one of the reasons why people who are perceived to be different are mistreated and persecuted. The world will never be a safe place for humanity as long as we have assholes fomenting intolerance.

Oh don't get me started on these bible thumpers and hollier then thous, They can all kiss my and take there and jam it, At least i don't stand preaching the bible blasting gays and transgendered as sinful evil people then go out to have sex with under aged boys, Sorry about the rant but this really ticks me off Jennifer

[Amy]

Originally Posted by transjen

Oh don't get me started on these bible thumpers and hollier then thous, They can all kiss my and take there and jam it, At least i don't stand preaching the bible blasting gays and transgendered as sinful evil people then go out to have sex with under aged boys, Sorry about the rant but this really ticks me off Jennifer

Amen, sister.


:P

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by randolph

Some of you may already know that the Pope condemned homosexuality and transsexuality as a greater threat to humanity than global warming! Christianity, supposedly, preaches tolerance yet its leaders preach the opposite. This is just one of the reasons why people who are perceived to be different are mistreated and persecuted. The world will never be a safe place for humanity as long as we have assholes fomenting intolerance.

Yeah.. with continents torn by war, a global economic crisis, Cholera epidemic in Africa, a generation of orphans due to HIV (and the Church's anti condom teachings). The greatest threat to the world isn't Greed or Pride or Hate it's the Homos and the Trannies.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[smc]

Yesterday afternoon I had an encounter that I think speaks volumes not only about how intolerant our society (here in the United States) is about transgender issues but also what that hatred and vitriol sows among those at whom it is directed. I met an acquaintance from college (which was a long time ago) for lunch at a small restaurant in Boston with only seven or eight tables. We had not seen each other for several years. It was an hour or so past the lunch rush hour.

During our conversation, I commented that he seemed to be distracted by something at a table behind me, out of my line of site. He whispered, "I can't believe that guy is in here!"

Not wishing to be rude, I didn't turn to look. I asked him if it was someone he knew. "I don't know him, but he's a freak," was his answer. I changed the subject.

A short while later I had to use the rest room. Walking back to our table, I noticed a woman who appeared to be in her mid-30s sitting at another table. It was apparent to me that she was transgendered in some way -- transvestite? transsexual? I couldn't tell. I didn't stare, just caught a quick glance. She looked at me blankly.

When I sat back down, I said to my acquaintance, "I think you mean the woman over there." He had said "man."

I was shocked at how quickly things turned. Raising his voice, he became accusatory. "Now you're going to defend him?!" he said, loud enough for her to hear.

I asked him what his problem was, and he told me I had the problem. I suggested we should leave. Fortunately, we had by now finished eating and had paid the bill, and were only sitting and nursing cups of coffee. He agreed. As we walked by the table where the woman sat, he said to no one in particular, but loud enough again for her to hear: "Faggot!"

I was behind him, and I stopped at her table and said that I was sorry for his behavior and that I thought she looked beautiful today. I guess that was a mistake. It was meant to be reassuring, but she told me this quietly: "Go fuck yourself."

I told my acquaintance off once we were outside, and our little argument attracted a bit of attention on the street. We parted company acrimoniously. On the way home, sitting on the T (our subway), I began to think more about why she had responded to what I thought would be comforting words. The only answer I could come up with was that if it wasn't her mood at that particular moment, then it must be the weight of a world of intolerance.

I admit it: I cried about this last night.

We have such a long way to go.

[randolph]

Recently, I had a similar experience. I was at our local Starbucks with a friend. I looked up at the counter and noticed a person dressed in a sexy outfit. Now, where I live it would be very unusual for somebody to be dressed like that. Since I am interested in transexuals, I looked at her more closely and was quite sure that she was trans. As she left the counter, I caught her eye and smiled, she was gorgeous. As she strutted past me in high heels, she looked right at me and stuck out her tongue!

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by smc

she told me this quietly: "Go fuck yourself."

I'm thinking the attitude of your friend already set the stage for the two of you since you were together.
Given that a lot of "exchanges" are unsolicited and like your friend's, we can not "let our gaurd down". We are not always in a receptive mode.
In her eyes your friend was trash, illustrated by his remarks. You, since you were with him are also trash, followed by a kiss-ass cover-up remark. Maybe that remark from her was meant for both and primarily the first.
It would have been difficult to start a conversation with this person even if your friend had not been there.
If you yank on the chain hard enough and often enough you will have a mad dog. I don't know her past but I can guess.

*Randolph* In your case, she could have been just bitchy. Did you think you were God's gift to womanhood?

[randolph]

*Randolph* In your case, she could have been just bitchy. Did you think you were God's gift to womanhood?

Well Fran, you just don't know me well enough.

[smc]

Originally Posted by franalexes

I'm thinking the attitude of your friend already set the stage for the two of you since you were together.
Given that a lot of "exchanges" are unsolicited and like your friend's, we can not "let our gaurd down". We are not always in a receptive mode.
In her eyes your friend was trash, illustrated by his remarks. You, since you were with him are also trash, followed by a kiss-ass cover-up remark. Maybe that remark from her was meant for both and primarily the first.
It would have been difficult to start a conversation with this person even if your friend had not been there.
If you yank on the chain hard enough and often enough you will have a mad dog. I don't know her past but I can guess.

Of course, Fran, your explanation makes perfect sense. Let it be known, however, that my remark may have been perceived as "kiss-ass cover-up" but it was not intended in that way. I chose the wrong words to convey: 1) I thought the guy I was with was trash; 2) she can be whatever she wants to be, and what he or I think shouldn't and doesn't matter; and 3) there are all kinds of "beautiful" but, unfortunately, too many idiots who can't see them beyond their straitjacketed conventions. In my rush, or shame for being in that situation, or whatever, I failed to communicate effectively. I believe the communicator, not the communicatee, is always responsible for misperceptions, and so I willingly take the blame.

But you are right, too, that it might have been all the same even under different circumstances. And that, I guess, is what makes me the most saddened by it all. As I explore myself I feel the need to tell everyone else who is challenged by not being what society wrongly insists is "normal" that I am in solidarity. Certainly, I just can't do that. To express solidarity is to call attention, and that may be exactly the opposite of what is right to do at the moment.

My heart is in the right place.