"Real Girls"

[Soontobe]

Originally Posted by Bionca

I was in bed when he got that stupid awkward look on his face and said "wow you were really hot - but I like the real thing".

I think the part that stinks for me (and probably most Trans* folks) is me transitioning was me being 100% authentic - ultimately honest with myself and the world. When that honesty is called dishonest it hurts.

Its a shame there are so many people who are like that - for me its about who the person is. For instance I'm not attracted to guys - but I wouldn't say that I would never have a relationship with a guy, it depends on the individual. I haven't explained that very well, I guess it comes down to people being more open minded, not denying their feelings towards any given gender and not just putting people into categories based on physical appereance. End of rant.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Soontobe

Its a shame there are so many people who are like that - for me its about who the person is. For instance I'm not attracted to guys - but I wouldn't say that I would never have a relationship with a guy, it depends on the individual. I haven't explained that very well, I guess it comes down to people being more open minded, not denying their feelings towards any given gender and not just putting people into categories based on physical appereance. End of rant.

It could not have been put better, Soontobe:

"people being more open minded, not denying their feelings towards any given gender and not just putting people into categories based on physical appereance"

Wow, imagine the world with just this one type of denial overcome by even a tenth or a twentieth or a thousandth of all of us on the face of the earth!

[Bionca]

smc- interesting post. I generally agree. The only place I think this could expand is with "essence". That is, including the idea of identity or internal knowing.

When discussing people, it is often what is going on mentally/emotionally that proves more important than what is seen externally. A person could be, by all appearances, happy and content while internally conflicted and depressed. Or, a person can have a body of a boy, yet still process the world as a girl.

I like when discussions here take a turn for the cerebral.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Bionca

smc- interesting post. I generally agree. The only place I think this could expand is with "essence". That is, including the idea of identity or internal knowing.

When discussing people, it is often what is going on mentally/emotionally that proves more important than what is seen externally. A person could be, by all appearances, happy and content while internally conflicted and depressed. Or, a person can have a body of a boy, yet still process the world as a girl.

I like when discussions here take a turn for the cerebral.

Bionca, the operative words in what I wrote are "participating in the Form." The great thing about it all is that the Form has a universality that cannot be undone just because some idiot tells you you're not a girl, or all girl, or whatever the idiot thinks. You are so clearly participating in the form girlness, and that is what makes you a real girl. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

[randolph]

SMC made an excellent post , discussing Plato’s view of metaphysics and the concept of “forms” or how transsexuals fit into the “essence” of girlness. Eckhard Tolle in his book “Awakening to your Life’s Purpose” expands on this concept of “forms” and how they relate to our ego centered identity.

I also would like to put in my two cents worth. Indian mysticism and especially the philosophy Tantric yoga has significance for transsexuals. In Tantric yoga there is a God “Siva” and a Goddess “Parvati”. Tantric adepts “worshipers” believe that Siva is inert until Parvati merges with him in sexual union. Parvati possesses the energy that enables Siva to create the universe. Some Tantric sects worship the transsexual aspect of this union and create statues representing this union as half male and half female, in other words transsexual.
Tantric philosophy reveals that the female energy of the Goddess is suppressed in males. In the male human, the ego actively suppresses the female spirit within, in order to maintain male ego dominance. This female energy can be activated and transcend the male ego by meditation and worshiping the Goddess (called kundalini in India). This energy rises from the base of the spine and can produces very powerful self awareness “enlightenment” if you will, with a feeling of bonding with the universe.
I suspect that male hostility directed toward transsexuals has something to do with the basic insecurity the male ego has toward females and especially toward males transcending into females. They know subconsciously that males are psychically inferior to females and their ego dominance is threatened. This is an extremely brief presentation of Tantric yoga and may not make much sense but I know from personal experience that it works. I am a straight male and Tantric yoga has made my relationship with women much easier. Sometime, I would like to know how well I could get along with a tgirl.

[randolph]

Transexual God showing the female side and the male side.