Barack Obama

[TracyCoxx]

White supremacy isn't what I think of when I think of the American Dream. When I think of the American Dream, I'm thinking of opportunities being available to anyone who works hard enough for it. I know it hasn't always been that way for all races, but it should be. That doesn't mean there should be affirmative action programs. But opportunities in the US should be made available to any legal US citizen who strives to achieve those opportunities.

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

If Obama doesn't deliver, vote him out! But I've got a real feeling that people are going to become believers.

How do you see Obama delivering? By giving handouts to those who haven't worked for what he will give them?

[jimnaseum]

By giving the Middle Class a level playing field. The middle class does all the work and pays all the taxes. When Tyrone buys a Coke he pays the Coca Cola Co's taxes. He pays the bottler's taxes. He pays the truck driver's taxes. He pays state tax, federal tax. If Tyrone ain't got no job, he's going to get high and rob a house. Maybe your house. Tyrone's going to go to jail so you can pay for that too.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

By giving the Middle Class a level playing field. The middle class does all the work and pays all the taxes. When Tyrone buys a Coke he pays the Coca Cola Co's taxes. He pays the bottler's taxes. He pays the truck driver's taxes. He pays state tax, federal tax. If Tyrone ain't got no job, he's going to get high and rob a house. Maybe your house. Tyrone's going to go to jail so you can pay for that too.

Why would Tyrone get high and rob a house if he loses his job? My dad lost his job. I have a friend who lost his job. They don't get high and rob someone's house. They do whatever they can to find work, any kind of work, and make it work somehow, until they can find a job that will pay the bills. Maybe Tyrone needs to be in jail.

[jimnaseum]

In Europe past a hundred years ago, leaders were like Fathers, their decisions were based on the preserving the "fabric" of the society. People wanted a leader they could bow down to, or salute, not some elected civil servant.
The President should represent ALL of the citizens, not just the Bill OReilly half, I'm glad you love your dads, I'm glad Ann Coulter's dad treated her like a little princess, I'm glad you are proud of half the Country.
If I were you I'd be a Republican too. But COME ON!!! Dwight Eisenhower would throw up if he saw the GOP now. Sarah Palin?
Obama was president of the Harvard Law Review. This is a Nation of Laws. People are People. History is never wrong. You knuckleheads have the right to think anything you want. Jesus was right, but he could have used a good lawyer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4dsB4F6puM

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

In Europe past a hundred years ago, leaders were like Fathers, their decisions were based on the preserving the "fabric" of the society. People wanted a leader they could bow down to, or salute, not some elected civil servant.

Europe can keep their kings and Hitlers.

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

The President should represent ALL of the citizens, not just the Bill OReilly half,

And not just of 13.4% of society either.

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

I'm glad you love your dads, I'm glad Ann Coulter's dad treated her like a little princess, I'm glad you are proud of half the Country.
If I were you I'd be a Republican too. But COME ON!!! Dwight Eisenhower would throw up if he saw the GOP now. Sarah Palin?
Obama was president of the Harvard Law Review. This is a Nation of Laws. People are People. History is never wrong. You knuckleheads have the right to think anything you want. Jesus was right, but he could have used a good lawyer.

Jesus who? That guy from 2000 years ago? I'm not concerned with him. I am also not a Republican (i.e. not a bible thumper and not socially conservative). What have I said that you object to? That I don't support affirmative action? That I think someone who gets high and robs people when the chips are down rather than working to become a productive member of society should be in jail? I doubt HALF of America believes people should not be held accountable for their actions.

[jimnaseum]

To be honest for a minute, Tracy, I think we've roamed into the PERSONAL area here, where it's about winning an argument.
I think all people have positive characteristics like intelligence, faith, honor, empathy, charity, hope, happiness, the list goes on, all the stuff that makes life worth living. But every INDIVIDUAL has 4 or 5 defects, ..personality flaw, sin, physical disability, foolish pride, laziness, whatever, that define who that person is. I'd say most people go to there grave with some of them that are deeply ingrained in their personality.
These FLAWS will not be litigated away by the Supreme Court. Or by who is President.
But a robust economy can put people to work. A sound foreign policy can prevent nuclear war. A medical plan like Europe can heal people! And social security can insure people a basic human dignity when they get too old to work.
Carrying your own weight, keeping what's yours, that was a real good plan years ago when this country was being built. It's called survival. But corrupt oilmen and Wall St Traders are mutating "self-reliance" into "legally stealing" and this country has to guarantee each citizen a realistic plan for equal opportunity. To Thrive. It's called survival.
I am proud of this country for electing Barack Obama. Bush was a goddamn liar. Debate that!

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

To be honest for a minute, Tracy, I think we've roamed into the PERSONAL area here, where it's about winning an argument.
I think all people have positive characteristics like intelligence, faith, honor, empathy, charity, hope, happiness, the list goes on, all the stuff that makes life worth living. But every INDIVIDUAL has 4 or 5 defects, ..personality flaw, sin, physical disability, foolish pride, laziness, whatever, that define who that person is. I'd say most people go to there grave with some of them that are deeply ingrained in their personality.

Well personally sure I would love for the government to pay for my health care, and pay for my housing, etc etc... But I'm realistic. I'm thinking how policies like this would translate into the real world. And it looks something like tax payers owing $700 billion to bail out Wall Street because 2 democrat presidents and fanatical left wing political groups like ACORN thought it would be a good idea to give loans to people who did not have a way to pay the loans back. You know... level the playing field... spread the wealth. It sounds so noble. But think beyond yourself for a minute and look at the big picture. The $700 billion bailout is only the beginning. As you can see with the auto industry. They want theirs. Some other industry will be next. This is madness.

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

These FLAWS will not be litigated away by the Supreme Court. Or by who is President.
But a robust economy can put people to work. A sound foreign policy can prevent nuclear war. A medical plan like Europe can heal people! And social security can insure people a basic human dignity when they get too old to work.
Carrying your own weight, keeping what's yours, that was a real good plan years ago when this country was being built. It's called survival. But corrupt oilmen and Wall St Traders are mutating "self-reliance" into "legally stealing" and this country has to guarantee each citizen a realistic plan for equal opportunity. To Thrive. It's called survival.
I am proud of this country for electing Barack Obama. Bush was a goddamn liar. Debate that!

I would be happy to. Start a new thread if you want to get into that. As for the rest, no thanks. I've seen how Jimmy Carter almost ruined this country with his socialist mentality (i.e. over 10 percent unemployment, double digit inflation rates, double digit interest rates, gas lines). Then along comes Reagan with his economically conservative policies and completely reverses all of that. It wasn't that long ago. Why wouldn't it work now?

You forget one thing about Europe's socialist health care. They make use of medicines and surgical procedures developed here in the US. If the US mirrors European health care, then there will be no source of innovation like we have now.