Barack Obama

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

I think it's a big step forward that Barack Obama will soon be the first black guy to lose a US presidential election.

[GRH]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

I think it's a big step forward that Barack Obama will soon be the first black guy to lose a US presidential election.

That a black man could be a serious contender represents real progress. The fact that we will potentially elect a geriatric "Bush v. 2.0" isn't so much a testament to our progress. How our country keeps being duped by those that want to keep the rich wealthy and the middle class poor astounds me.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

America gets the president it deserves.

Shame the rest of us have to put up with him too.

what is the point of the elections in the US, they have already rigged them twice now. i think its quite likly that obama will get in, and i think he is the rite man for the job. but if he gets in you have to ask yourself why whoever it was rigged the election in favor of republicans the last two times why they haven't done it again. i also think if he is elected it will be verry likly that he will be assasinated. (their is still alot of racist people in america, some overtly and alot covertly, they are happy to live next door to a black man but they don't wan't one in power.) they done it to the kenedys and they where white, so i doubt they'll think twice about doing it to a black man.
america has produced some of the greatest leaders of the twentieth century, the kenedy's, martin luther king malcom X martin luther king JR.
and also some of the biggest cunts ever, J edgar hoover, richard milhause nixon, george HW bush and george W bush.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

I do not think a lone nutter could kill the US president now. The security checks are just too good, I don't see any crazy white supremacists getting through it.

The Kennedys were not killed by white supremacists, they were killed by the mob, Malcom X was killed by his own people, the Nation of Islam, and Martin Luther King was only killed after he spoke out against Vietnam and poverty and the FBI stopped protecting him.

If Obama gets in, he won't be whacked, the clever racists will sit tight, they know he can't do much in 4 years, and the crazy ones will be too crazy to get past his security.


Even if he was look what happened with JFK, as soon that bullet touched his crunchy little cranium, the Civil Rights act was pretty much guaranteed to go through, who would be callous enough to vote against a dead man's bill. If Obama got spatted (especially by a tent head) it would be such a huge uproar it would probably cause a bigger upheaval than if he was just quietly president. Obama is not really radical, and he's not really going to change much, but if he had his brains splattered all over his limo, imagine the outrage, there would be riots in the streets, the US would be shaken to the core, who knows what would happen by hte time the dust settles.

[sesame]

Anna, how romantic you are about Obama's brains!

The Kennedys were not killed by white supremacists, they were killed by the mob, Malcom X was killed by his own people, the Nation of Islam, and Martin Luther King was only killed after he spoke out against Vietnam and poverty and the FBI stopped protecting him.

the mob or the cia.

[sesame]

According to conspiracy theorists, JF Kennedy was assassinated not by Lee Harvey Oswald but a well-coordinated group of people connected to the US Govt. Kennedy was an obstruction to the interests of war-loving military officials and politicians and businessmen. Poor disturbed oswald couldnt have pulled it or shoot him from multiple angles alone. Also, his autopsy was very poorly done and the report was edited.

[JohnTB]

Originally Posted by rhythmic delivery

The Kennedys were not killed by white supremacists, they were killed by the mob, Malcom X was killed by his own people, the Nation of Islam, and Martin Luther King was only killed after he spoke out against Vietnam and poverty and the FBI stopped protecting him.

the mob or the cia.

OK, Where's the beef ?? tHE EXPRESSION ALLUDES TO THE EVIDENCE - STATEMENTS MADE BY YOU ARE PRESENTED AS FACTS - THEY ARE NOT - SUSPICIONS, OPINIONS, SOME OTHER ADJECTIVES WITH WORDS I WON'T USE HERE - BUT NOT FACTS....

Show me the beef!!!!

[JohnTB]

Originally Posted by rhythmic delivery

what is the point of the elections in the US, they have already rigged them twice now. i think its quite likly that obama will get in, and i think he is the rite man for the job. but if he gets in you have to ask yourself why whoever it was rigged the election in favor of republicans the last two times why they haven't done it again. i also think if he is elected it will be verry likly that he will be assasinated. (their is still alot of racist people in america, some overtly and alot covertly, they are happy to live next door to a black man but they don't wan't one in power.) they done it to the kenedys and they where white, so i doubt they'll think twice about doing it to a black man.
america has produced some of the greatest leaders of the twentieth century, the kenedy's, martin luther king malcom X martin luther king JR.
and also some of the biggest cunts ever, J edgar hoover, richard milhause nixon, george HW bush and george W bush.

What a shame you are allowed to make such an ignorant (lacking knowledge) opening statement. You obviously failed American Government 101 and have no earthly idea of how the system works, either the general vote or the Electoral college (a genius system that prevents the uban centers from controlling the outcome of elections - study the American Sytem and you will learn alot. It is not the BEST possible sysem, but, it is the best in the free world.

You said. "...I think it is quite likely obama will get in...I think he is the rite man for the job..." Obviously, you aren't thinking: rite should be right; and obama should be Obama. Additionally, he is a naive ("...I will sit down face-to-face with..." the PM of Iran without pre-conditions {how absurd}); inexperienced (143 days in the US Senate {total Federal experience) at time of nomination; and, untested in administering government or any large organization or in foreign affairs of any sort; a state legislator who could not commit to a vote on important issues (voted 'Present' [as opposed to yes or no] on more pieces of legislation in the Illinois Legislature than anyone ever). I could go on and on and on...but I won't.

It is a sad day in America when the Democratic Party puts forward their most inexerieced candidate and he only won against the other most inexperienced candidate because the Party big shots tried to strong arm two independent State Partys and elimated them from the nomination vote, as punishement.

Read some facts; stop reading only the New Yorks Times/BBC News and stop drinking the the left wing propaganda Kool Aid.

It is also a sad day for America when the Republican Party can nominate a right of center candidate who wants to give illegal immigrants a free ride (Amnesty) and a blank check for Federal welfare when they are already destroying the American economy just to fatten up the big business purses. (PS: Obama favors the bill too.)

I have no use for either of them...or GW!!!!!

Enough said (but, please become informed and smart about a topic before you write. PLEASE!

[hankhavelock]

Tracy honey, I'll get back to your comments in a week or so... in general we have such deep differences on what is the right system for humans to live under, but I'll keep trying... :-)

What is swell here is that in spite of the intense republican campaign that has tried to make us believe that Barack Obama is a socialist, a muslim and an anti-American then the American people still seem to favour Barack Obama. In spite of all the sinister spins and hideous stuff, a majority of Americans still seem to withstand the pressure of the ultra right.

For that I salute you all. And I'll be the first to truly salute you once you have the guts to elect the first black man for President of the United States of America.

You are SO close to re-establish the American "brand".

This is the most important election in my life time... probably in yours too!

Peace, yawll! Go DO it! Make us all proud of you Americans! Make us all once again believe in the sanity of the United States of America!

GObama!

H

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

Tracy honey, I'll get back to your comments in a week or so...

Hankypoo. Since you are unwilling or unable to answer how America makes your life such a living hell over there in Indonesia, I'll just have to assume you're one of those America haters. So there's no point in educating you on the merits of a capitalist system. It's one of those you get it or you don't things. I don't see how it affects life in Indonesia. I can't imagine the general population there waking up, planning on doing something and saying "Blast! I can't! Because of those DAMN AMERICANS!!!". At least up until now, the majority of Americans got it. I have no illusions that McCain will win this election, so next week have a ball yucking it up.

Don't worry about me, I will be fine. I'm more than halfway through paying off my house with a low interest rate, so I won't be one of the one's paying off a 20+% home loan that will be waiting for us by the end of Obama's term. I live close enough to work that I can ride my bike if I have to, so I don't need to wait in the gas lines that will be coming. Obama wants to expand the government and I work for the government so I shouldn't be one of the ones in the double digit unemployment rate we'll have. And if I do loose my job, I can just mooch off of the paychecks of other people who work hard in the work force. Obama's policies are obviously doomed to failure just as making loans to poor minorities was obviously doomed to failure. Apparently a large portion of Americans need to learn this the hard way, and in 4 more years, hopefully they'll see the light and get back on track - as they had after making the mistake of electing Carter and coming together to elect Reagan.

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

What is swell here is that in spite of the intense republican campaign that has tried to make us believe that Barack Obama is a socialist, a muslim and an anti-American then the American people still seem to favour Barack Obama.

I know, poor Obama... Having to bear the company of all those America-hating people around him like his parents, pastor, teachers, fellow students, business partners, wife, etc, and being stuck with a Muslim middle name, a Muslim father, having to go through Muslim teachings. Having to grimace and bear through all those socialist meetings he attended and having to humor all his socialist friends.... while all the while he's a true blue anti-socialist, bible thumping American patriot. Finally as president he'll be able to put that miserable past and those miserable associates behind him and he can start whistling Yankee Doodle Dandy.

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

And I'll be the first to truly salute you once you have the guts to elect the first black man for President of the United States of America.

I asked this question of someone else, and naturally got no answer, so I'll ask you (despite your long history of ignoring my questions):

Why do so many people think the idea of a black president is something 'brilliant'. Like it's such an obvious thing that's an answer to all our problems. What about Chinese Americans? Italian? What is it about a black president that is so compelling?

[ila]

Originally Posted by GRH

That a black man could be a serious contender represents real progress.

Why is it that Obama is always referred to as a black man when his mother is white? It would be just as valid to call him a white man.

[phazon]

i bet u feel dumb now lol

[McLuvinladyboys]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

I think it's a big step forward that Barack Obama will soon be the first black guy to lose a US presidential election.

people so quickly forget jessie jackson

[new believer]

What distresses me (as an American Libertarian) is that at minimal 30% of votes that are in the democractic favor are fraudulent. i.e. multiple ,dead, non citizens and 'made up' voters. Yet they get away with it because of apathy,stupidity and fear of onslaught by the very anti Republican media. Republicans are not saints by any measure but Democrats are definitly demons in halo's. Many Republicans if given a chance are much as Democrats for example to 'look the other way' towards a individuals lifestyles. Can anyone imagine Republicans dis-owning their gay son's and daughters. Even famous one's like Reagan and Cheney admit to their own children's choice's as their own private matter and have given love and support regardless. What Republicans take heat on is 'not giving ADDED ' rights and privileges such as affirmitive action. That in itself is discrimination. Murder is murder,theft is theft and so on. When a white male kills another white male for money that is a hate crime(he hated that the victim had money he hadn't). Where I want to go with this I have no clue. But I left the Democratic party long after they sold me out and just after I discovered that they play on and use fear from every voter out there to grab self serving power and wealth. I'll challange anyone to list any legislation that took any action to strip anyone of any rights protected by the Constitution. Democrats have. Immigration bill=1967, rights of self defense,from 1968 to current(remember the looting/killing and raping during Katrina) it was a Democrat who dis-armed everyone from their ONLY means of protection. And now,even as Obama speaks of 'change' his stimulus deal allows corporate theives to still get massive bonuses all the while his mouth says otherwise. Get the details and confirm it yourself. I have. Hey, I'm just a libertarian, my party cannot change anything while the 'masses are asses'(an old American phrase used by old currupt democrats over 100 years ago meaning you CAN fool anyone and those you can't, have short memories.). As for one of my best phrases, "Live long and prosper" .

[randolph]

I am amazed we have hard core Republicans on this site. If my memory serves me well, Senior Bush stated that Homosexuals, Transsexuals and Atheists should be denied the right to vote!
Anyway, I suppose Republicans will continue to worship Rush Limbaugh as the Germans worshiped Hitler. It is a mean spirited intolerant destructive view of the world which will perpetuate the misery we are in.

[randolph]

The nation's first African-American president attended his first Alfalfa Club Dinner as commander in chief last night, and Barack Obama got into the spirit of the evening with jokes aimed at the dinner itself, his famously profane chief of staff and even himself.

According to the White House, among the jokes the president told were:

- "I am seriously glad to be here tonight at the annual Alfalfa dinner. I know that many you are aware that this dinner began almost one hundred years ago as a way to celebrate the birthday of General Robert E. Lee. If he were here with us tonight, the general would be 202 years old. And very confused."

- "Now, this hasn't been reported yet, but it was actually Rahm's idea to do the swearing-in ceremony again. Of course, for Rahm, every day is a swearing-in ceremony."

"But don't believe what you read. Rahm Emanuel (Obama's chief of staff) is a real sweetheart.

"No, it's true. Every week the guy takes a little time away to give back to the community. Just last week he was at a local school, teaching profanity to poor children."

- "But these are the kind of negotiations you have to deal with as president. In just the first few weeks, I've had to engage in some of the toughest diplomacy of my life. And that was just to keep my BlackBerry.

"I finally agreed to limit the number of people who could e-mail me. It's a very exclusive list. How exclusive?

"Everyone look at the person sitting on your left. Now look at the person sitting on your right. None of you have my e-mail address."

As the Associated Press notes, among the others in attendance at the Capitol Hilton in Washington were 2008 Republican presidential nominee John McCain, a senator from Arizona, and his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

The dinner is supposed to be off-the-record, but reports of what was said always leak out.

Politico reports that:

Looking to Joe Lieberman, the Democrat-turned-independent-turned McCain supporter, Obama told the Connecticut senator he had no hard feelings.

The door is always open, Obama assured Lieberman, who observes the Sabbath, so feel to drop by -- any Saturday afternoon.

To Palin, Obama expressed surprise to see her with such members of the Washington elite she railed against during the campaign. Or, as he termed it in language Palin is familiar with, "palling around with this crew."

The Washington Post says that Lieberman, who also spoke, "noted that former vice president Richard B. Cheney injured himself while moving into his new home, according to a source inside the dinner. 'I had no idea waterboards were so heavy,' Lieberman quipped."

And, the Post reports:

The incoming club president, Sen. Christopher S. Bond, R-Mo. reminded guests that a newspaper recently published a list of the 25 people most responsible for the global economic meltdown. "You know who you are," he said, according to the source. "And it's good to see you here tonight."

[carmella1]

Finally america has a good president.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

I am amazed we have hard core Republicans on this site. If my memory serves me well, Senior Bush stated that Homosexuals, Transsexuals and Atheists should be denied the right to vote!
Anyway, I suppose Republicans will continue to worship Rush Limbaugh as the Germans worshiped Hitler. It is a mean spirited intolerant destructive view of the world which will perpetuate the misery we are in.

As an atheist, shemale lover, and sometimes a transvestite, I certainly don't agree with much of the Republican agenda. But... I agree whole heartedly with their fiscal conservatism and anti-welfare stance (well at least for real republicans, there's been too many RINOs lately), and most of their foreign policy.

As for Rush and Hitler, please explain your comparison.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

lol, a republican supporter mentioning the economy! Hey, I got an idea, lets have less regulation, that will solve the crisis caused by unregulated markets!!

and I love the idea of republicans of fiscal conservatives. I didn't realise that mountains of debt and a banking system in collapse was fiscal conservatism.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

lol, a republican supporter mentioning the economy! Hey, I got an idea, lets have less regulation, that will solve the crisis caused by unregulated markets!!

and I love the idea of republicans of fiscal conservatives. I didn't realise that mountains of debt and a banking system in collapse was fiscal conservatism.

Did you read the part I wrote in parenthesis? Here, let me reprint it for you.

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

But... I agree whole heartedly with their fiscal conservatism and anti-welfare stance (well at least for real republicans, there's been too many RINOs lately), and most of their foreign policy.

Perhaps you don't know what RINO means. Republican In Name Only. As for your crack about regulation, the markets HAVE been regulated. It was government intervention that I was referring to above that forced banks to make loans to unqualified recipients. So much for that idea.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

As an atheist, shemale lover, and sometimes a transvestite, I certainly don't agree with much of the Republican agenda. But... I agree whole heartedly with their fiscal conservatism and anti-welfare stance (well at least for real republicans, there's been too many RINOs lately), and most of their foreign policy.

As for Rush and Hitler, please explain your comparison.

One example; Rush has demonized "liberals" as if they were a dire threat to the country.
Hitler demonized "Jews" as if they were a dire threat to the country.

I grew up as a Republican and I still believe in fiscal conservatism(aka, Eisenhower).
However, the Republican party has become corrupted by religious fundamentalism and the military/industrial complex.
Actually, the Democrats are pretty well corrupted and not far behind.
Obama?? Hope

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

One example; Rush has demonized "liberals" as if they were a dire threat to the country.
Hitler demonized "Jews" as if they were a dire threat to the country.

Perhaps he didn't like what Carter did to the country with those double digit inflation rates, double digit interest rates, double digit unemployment, and long gas lines and gas rationing. Yes, these things really did happen. Please tell me how this is not a threat to the country? Please (after reading what I wrote above about ACORN and the CRA), tell me how the CRA is good for the country?

But on to your analogy. You're saying Rush has done to liberals what Hitler has done to the Jews? Rush forces liberals into concentration camps under gunpoint? Rush puts liberals into labor camps and to the gas chamber and runs experiments on them? How many liberals has Rush's men killed? 6 million? 6 hundred? Even 6? Any??? Has he even shot a spit ball at one?

Originally Posted by randolph

However, the Republican party has become corrupted by religious fundamentalism

Originally Posted by randolph

Actually, the Democrats are pretty well corrupted and not far behind.

On this we agree

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by randolph

I am amazed we have hard core Republicans on this site. If my memory serves me well, Senior Bush stated that Homosexuals, Transsexuals and Atheists should be denied the right to vote!

No offense, Randolph, but your memory doesn't seem to be serving you well since I tried Googling this in various ways and could NOT find a single instance of Bush Sr. ever saying that. On the other hand, since you're so interested in personal rights, you CAN easily Google "same sex marriage" and immediately discover that Obama is against that even as we speak.

But, hey, when talking about social rights and politics, why talk about the guy currently in the Oval Office when it's far easier to blur the argument by pointing backwards 17 YEARS in time to mention someone no longer in power?

Originally Posted by randolph

Anyway, I suppose Republicans will continue to worship Rush Limbaugh as the Germans worshiped Hitler. It is a mean spirited intolerant destructive view of the world which will perpetuate the misery we are in.

Ah, the ol' Rush finger pointing tactic as well. You mean Republicans listening to him as opposed to those on the Left worshipping at the media altar of Keith Olbermann and his ego and anger fueled rants...or worshipping a hate-fueled web site like the Daily Kos...which likewise are sooooo helpful to raising the country out of its misery?

[randolph]

Creative Mind
No offense, Randolph, but your memory doesn't seem to be serving you well since I tried Googling this in various ways and could NOT find a single instance of Bush Sr. ever saying that.

This popped up with search (bush atheist)
When George Bush was campaigning for the presidency, as incumbent vice president, one of his stops was in Chicago, Illinois, on August 27, 1987. At O'Hare Airport he held a formal outdoor news conference. There Robert I. Sherman, a reporter for the American Atheist news journal, fully accredited by the state of Illinois and by invitation a participating member of the press corps covering the national candidates had the following exchange with then Vice President Bush.

Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the Americans who are atheists?

Bush: I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in god is important to me.

Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?

Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

Sherman (somewhat taken aback): Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?

Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on atheists.

Obama is interested in saving this country from the irresponsibility of past administrations. We need to FLUSH RUSH!

[randolph]

Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

I've talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper."

So Creativemind, is Bush is your good buddy???

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by randolph

I am amazed we have hard core Republicans on this site. If my memory serves me well, Senior Bush stated that Homosexuals, Transsexuals and Atheists should be denied the right to vote!
Anyway, I suppose Republicans will continue to worship Rush Limbaugh as the Germans worshiped Hitler. It is a mean spirited intolerant destructive view of the world which will perpetuate the misery we are in.

Yup! Todays' Reps are NOT our friends :-) They are a bunch of dinosaurs who feel so deeply hateful to a democratic world with an IQ above 5... to the neocon Reps this is all about two sides: either we're a bunch of socialist, marxist, muslim, gay, transsexual, anti-american terrorists or a good group of "God"-fearing, corrupt, totally-"patriotic", double-standard, laissez-faire capitalist fascists who weep like sheep when we hear a national anthem, put our devious hands over our devious hearts and pour our blood...... nothing in between... :-)

But good for the world that they had their kicks... and now are out of here... bloody undemocratic, hateful nazis...

Well, Reagan was different, but that's another talk. He was the last truly democratic Republican. He fucked up American economy, but he did end the cold war. That's his claim to fame - and a good one!

H

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by new believer

What distresses me (as an American Libertarian) is that at minimal 30% of votes that are in the democractic favor are fraudulent. i.e. multiple ,dead, non citizens and 'made up' voters. Yet they get away with it because of apathy,stupidity and fear of onslaught by the very anti Republican media.

This TOTALLY pisses me off. In fact, this is one of the primary reasons why I DO support the concept of a 21st century, modern times and current with today's technology "National ID card" to verify EXACTLY "who" you are and IF you are in fact a legal citizen and all that. Hell, in this day and age, think of it -- you could walk around with ONE card in your wallet that is your Driver's license, your ID card (for voting), it could be programmed and activated as your Mastercard and Visa too, it could hold your medical information in digital form if you were in an accident and suddenly taken to a hospital, it could have your insurance information -- for crying out loud, it could serve as your friggin' library card to boot! With today's technology, it could literally be all sorts of things in one.

Yet why don't we do that? Because those on the ultra Left always bitch that something like a national ID card would be an "invasion of privacy"...it's having "too much information" available...and yet we all go through life with ALL of those things I just mentioned ANYWAY. In fact, if you DON'T have those things, life in the 21st century is essentially tougher on you as well. So even using the base argument of "quality of life" it makes sense to upgrade systems across the board for proper identification of everyone.

Bottom line: you're right, New Believer. Regardless of WHICH political party you belong to...and let the record show that I totally respect the right of everyone to pick a side based on their own personal beliefs....but when you start having numbers that are off at a staggering 30% rate OR -- like we just had in the Obama election where Ohio was an outright joke over voter registrations and irregularities, which the Ohio Election Board REFUSED to even investigate -- then democracy is in the toilet when you can't even stage a fair and honest vote count.

Or new case in point: the still undecided Minnesota Senate race where Norm Coleman had beaten crock of a candidate Al Franken until magically an entire box of uncounted ballots just HAPPENED to be discovered -- after the fact -- in the trunk of someone's car, thus throwing everything into pandemonium. Not to mention, you KNOW the Franken election is for utter shit when even now ALL... yes, ALL... Minnesota polls show that the people there DON'T want Franken in office by a wide and sizable margin. So with such a wide poll margin going in one direction, just who the hell voted for him to supposedly make him the winner, hmm?