Transsexuals in Iran

[ShemaleFan_UK]

I think you are correct, sesame. I knew when I was watching it that there had to be a catch somewhere, although I couldn't see it at the
time. My first thoughts were that they would frown on any man who wanted to demean himself by becoming a woman.

Ok, now take a look at the drivers licence below and tell me if you can identify the driver! Its not a fake photo! Its Original!

Pretty scary! Is it a man or a woman. Perhaps its a terrorist trying to avoid capture, who knows. That can lead to a complete separate topic which is probably best discussed in private.

Now, on a lighter note,

Koran forbids drinking wine on earth. Rich orthodox muslims take flights and drink on the air .

I am reminded of the story of the moslem gentleman who was drinking a glass of whisky and when asked about it replied, "the prophet in his wisdom has forbidden wine to the faithful, but whisky isn't wine"

[sesame]

Originally Posted by ShemaleFan_UK

I am reminded of the story of the moslem gentleman who was drinking a glass of whisky and when asked about it replied, "the prophet in his wisdom has forbidden wine to the faithful, but whisky isn't wine"

Thats a good one.

As for the nice moderate muslims who are members of this forum, I ask your forgiveness. I was only making fun of the tricks people play to find loopholes in Koran to enjoy what is forbidden. These are not lies altogather. It is also true that the enforcers of Islam are too harsh in their effort. Do you think that its fair enough for a religion to take away the most basic rights from it's followers?

1) Drawing any living creature or engraving it is forbidden!
2) Singing is forbidden
3) Drinking is forbidden
4) Men can take multiple wives and maintain huge family!
( it is simply a ploy to increase Muslim population)
5) A husband can divorce a wife by just saying Talak thrice in front of witnesses!!! (can it be fair in any count?)
6) Basically Islam is a militant religion... no wonder the left wing islamics issue fatwas to kill as many infidels as possible and be great in the eyes of Allah!
(Why is it that most terrorists of the world are muslim?)
7) Muslims are so intolerant of criticism!!!
(anything against them and there is riot and bloodshed)

Persecute me if any of the above-said is untrue!

[ShemaleFan_UK]

Hear hear!

One thing that does bother me, and this applies just as much to Christians and others as it does to Moslems, is that they insist in putting their religious beliefs and dogmas above all else. In the UK, Moslems and Christians want their religious beliefs to enable them to ignore any laws which they see as offensive. When will these people realise that the UK, in common with most other countries is a secular society, and rekligious beliefs cannot be permitted to come before the laws of the land?

Regarding the drink theme, this is a true story....
At one time I worked as a manager in the civil service and one of my staff was from Afghanistan, but of Pakistani origin. One lunchtime some of us went out to the local pub for a drink, and I noticed that he was knocking back the beer good style.
"I thought good moslems didn't drink," I said.
"Yes," he replied, "but I'm not a good moslem"

Just goes to show that some of them do have a sense of humour.

[sesame]

I have also seen a few moderate muslims.
They are really good people, well educated, tolerant and having much patience. The forbearance they exercise is not a weakness, but a sign of power. They dont jump for your throat on a single word of positive criticism.
I think all great scholars, artists, singers, dancers belonging to Islam fall in the moderate class. People who have cleared the ambiguity of the rigid clasps of Koranic clauses have attained peace.

[ShemaleFan_UK]

To be fair, moslems have contributed a great deal to human society, especially in the fields of Science (Astronomy, for example) and Mathematics. After all, our western numeric system is Arabic.

Credit where credit's due.

[sesame]

I am a fan of Sufi Muslim Ghazals.
They are very wise and deep.
Songs & poetry written by Sufi mystics:
1) Amir Khusroo
2) Omar Khayyam
3) Mirza Ghaleb

I like Islamic calligraphy too. Actually their great talent in calligraphy originated, as their artists were forbidden the right to draw or engrave living creatures. So the aesthetic minded people gave vent to their urges in Calligraphy.

The same reason goes for their development of amazing patterns.

Ah, I like belly dancers! :D
This danceform is full of sensual and curvy movements!

I agree with you on Astronomy. They were people of the desert.
Sand dunes all around, with no landmarks to find the way. So Astronomy came to their aid. For astronomical calculations, mathematics is necessary. Therefore, I can safey say that, necessity is the mother of invention.:D
I have seen ancient Persian (Iranic) manuscripts dedicated to astronomy.

Also their fierce zeal of exploration and fighting wars is quite spectacular. The concept of fighting on horseback comes from them. Their skill with swords and knives is fine too.

Oh, the beautiful & aesthetic language of Urdu is also another Islamic contribution. It has been the vehicle of numerous poetic thoughts. Though Urdu is a concoction of Arabic, Persian, English, Portuguese and Sanskrit.

[sesame]

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Although I question about the numerical or Decimal system being of Arabic source. The concept of Zero came from Kanad the proponent of Vaishesic philosophy in India. Plus the decimal system was already there in vedic maths. I am a student of Philosophy, so trust me on this.

[ila]

Originally Posted by sesame

0====1====2====3====4====5====6====7====8====9==:D

Although I question about the numerical or Decimal system being of Arabic source. The concept of Zero came from Kanad the proponent of Vaishesic philosophy in India. Plus the decimal system was already there in vedic maths. I am a student of Philosophy, so trust me on this.

I remember watching a documentary on the number 0. The documentary also mentioned that the origin of 0 was in India. I also seem to remember that although we call our numerals 'Arabic numeral' the Arabic numeral originated in India.

[SHEMALE_SEEKER]

Originally Posted by sesame

0====1====2====3====4====5====6====7====8====9==:D

Although I question about the numerical or Decimal system being of Arabic source. The concept of Zero came from Kanad the proponent of Vaishesic philosophy in India. Plus the decimal system was already there in vedic maths. I am a student of Philosophy, so trust me on this.

COOL, That's real cool.