Transsexuals in Iran

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by ShemaleFan_UK

Hi there.
A few weeks ago there was a TV program about transsexuals in Iran. It was a real eyeopener and very interesting .
Did anyone else see this?

Nope - is it available online somewhere? I'd think that being a trans-woman in Iran or any other hard-core, mentally and spiritually screwed-up religious society is no fun at all. Well, being any gender there must be the closest to being placed in hell on earth... in spite of their (the clerical leadership's, of course) self-proclaimed closeness to God and Heaven... those hypocritical, evil bastards.

Or am I getting ahead of myself...???

[ShemaleFan_UK]

Nope - is it available online somewhere? I'd think that being a trans-woman in Iran or any other hard-core, mentally and spiritually screwed-up religious society is no fun at all. Well, being any gender there must be the closest to being placed in hell on earth... in spite of their (the clerical leadership's, of course) self-proclaimed closeness to God and Heaven... those hypocritical, evil bastards.

Or am I getting ahead of myself...???

Given what we are told about things in Iran, your comments are pretty much what we would expect - I certainly thought as you do as I sat down to watch the programme. However, as I said, the film was a real eyeopener.

The fact of the matter is that transsexuals appear to be getting a decent deal there, with full sympathetic support up to and including SRS and, if I remember correctly, beyond as well.

I don't know whether or not they can have their birth certificates changed and get married like they can here in the UK.

The surprising thing is that, in this case, Iran's religious dogma is actually working in their favour since, although the Koran forbids and condemns homosexuality, it says nothing about transsexualism, so that makes it acceptable in their eyes.

As to whether or not this film is available online, I honestly can't say. The film appeared on satellite TV here in the UK about a couple of months ago.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

well. its never quite so simple, but yea, their religious clerics interpret the quranic verses saying a man may cut off any deformity, to include all kinds of surgery including srs. As the logic goes that if someone is woman and had the body of a man, that is a deformity, so they may have surgery to give them a body of a woman. (These guys really know how to stretch a point)

Of course, there are still quite a lot of problems, as you can imagine with thier strict rules about what men and women can do and interaction between men and women, so at the point of ambiguity, this causes problems and of course, moving from being male (with more right) to female (with less rights) causes problems.

Anyway it's interesting.

Iran really is a fucked up country, but not in the simple way most people imagine, it's fucked up in far more bizzare and interesting ways.


Have any of you guys seen persopolis? or read the graphic novel?

[Bionca]

One issue with TSs in Iran is that SRS is provided as an option for men convicted of homosexuality to avoid prison and/or death pnealty. So men who identify as male opt for surgery to avoid harsh prison conditions and end up being in essence men trapped in a woman's body - not a position I'd wish on anyone.

While the official stance is to provide SRS and (i think HRT) with gov't assistance, there isn't really any social education for or about transsexuality.

As far as legal stuff.. yes they can change documentation to reflect their target gender and can get married. They become women with all that implies in a fundimentalist Islamic society.

[sesame]

I dont know much about Koran. But if you look closely at Muslim History... their invasions and rules in different periods, throughout the world, you will notice that they have a very long practice of castrating men and using them for guarding the Harem.
For five centuries they have castrated men (into Eunuchs) for similar purposes. These men / semi-ts have created their own societies and culture... as an unspoken part of the muslim culture. And men and women have had relations with them. So, if you look at the line of evolution, getting SRS in modern times in a hardcore Islamic country is no surprise at all!
As SS-Anna has just said, these people have mastered the art of stretching things and making them meet with their Holy codes . Koran forbids drinking wine on earth. Rich orthodox muslims take flights and drink on the air .
Ok, now take a look at the drivers licence below and tell me if you can identify the driver! Its not a fake photo! Its Original!

[ShemaleFan_UK]

I think you are correct, sesame. I knew when I was watching it that there had to be a catch somewhere, although I couldn't see it at the
time. My first thoughts were that they would frown on any man who wanted to demean himself by becoming a woman.

Ok, now take a look at the drivers licence below and tell me if you can identify the driver! Its not a fake photo! Its Original!

Pretty scary! Is it a man or a woman. Perhaps its a terrorist trying to avoid capture, who knows. That can lead to a complete separate topic which is probably best discussed in private.

Now, on a lighter note,

Koran forbids drinking wine on earth. Rich orthodox muslims take flights and drink on the air .

I am reminded of the story of the moslem gentleman who was drinking a glass of whisky and when asked about it replied, "the prophet in his wisdom has forbidden wine to the faithful, but whisky isn't wine"

[sesame]

Originally Posted by ShemaleFan_UK

I am reminded of the story of the moslem gentleman who was drinking a glass of whisky and when asked about it replied, "the prophet in his wisdom has forbidden wine to the faithful, but whisky isn't wine"

Thats a good one.

As for the nice moderate muslims who are members of this forum, I ask your forgiveness. I was only making fun of the tricks people play to find loopholes in Koran to enjoy what is forbidden. These are not lies altogather. It is also true that the enforcers of Islam are too harsh in their effort. Do you think that its fair enough for a religion to take away the most basic rights from it's followers?

1) Drawing any living creature or engraving it is forbidden!
2) Singing is forbidden
3) Drinking is forbidden
4) Men can take multiple wives and maintain huge family!
( it is simply a ploy to increase Muslim population)
5) A husband can divorce a wife by just saying Talak thrice in front of witnesses!!! (can it be fair in any count?)
6) Basically Islam is a militant religion... no wonder the left wing islamics issue fatwas to kill as many infidels as possible and be great in the eyes of Allah!
(Why is it that most terrorists of the world are muslim?)
7) Muslims are so intolerant of criticism!!!
(anything against them and there is riot and bloodshed)

Persecute me if any of the above-said is untrue!