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[sesame]

1. "post op pre op or Generic"
   What do they mean exactly? I wont mind if you go into details .:D
   
   
   
2. Also what do the Tgs do with the voice problem. You know, a heavy husky voice is good for a guy but for a girl it should be shrill and melodious.. tuneful, may be ?

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by sesame

1. "post op pre op or Generic"
   What do they mean exactly? I wont mind if you go into details .:D
   
   
   
2. Also what do the Tgs do with the voice problem. You know, a heavy husky voice is good for a guy but for a girl it should be shrill and melodious.. tuneful, may be ?

1) (a) Post-op girls are had surgery to convert the penis into a vagina. Mind you, there is no "cutting off" or removing, the penis is literally used to form the vagina (b) Pre-op is a girl who has not had the operation and still has a penis that may or may not function depending of hormones. (c) "generic".. I think you meant "Genetic" women - women who were assigned "female" as birth who do not have any gender Identity issues. (d) you forgot non-op gals.. girls who are happy with a transsexual body or realize they will probably never have enough money for genital surgey. The penis may or may nor be fully functional.

2) Pesonally, I passes for a woman mush easier on the phone.. just always sounded like my mom. But yes, lots of gals have husky or "camp" gay men's voices. Voice training with a vocal coach can really help.

[belfagar]

Beautiful And Smart. If you ask me it can't get better.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by belfagar

Beautiful And Smart. If you ask me it can't get better.

Thanks

I disagree with the first part, but appreciate the compliments:D

[belfagar]

The picture speaks for itself. And anyone who can discuss the zygote is pretty smart.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by belfagar

The picture speaks for itself. And anyone who can discuss the zygote is pretty smart.

We could discuss physics - I'll show you that I can be a pretty big bubble-head then

[belfagar]

Well Than? Where is a common place to find half-intergers in particle physics?

She asked for it.

[sesame]

there is no "cutting off" or removing, the penis is literally used to form the vagina

You mean, using the Glans of the penis to create the Clitoris? ...Because, thats where the sex nerves are most thoroughly distributed. Otherwise, there would be no "Real" feeling left in the genital organ.
I dont know where the skin will go in a vagina ( probably external labia), or where does the shaft fit in. May be the urinal tract will perform the same function in the new vagina?

[sesame]

A fermion: a particle with half-integer spin
Right, Belfagar?
On 2nd thoughts, I should add Baryons.

[sesame]

I feel like Harry Potter in Horace Slughorn's class!
Answering to spin of sub-atomic-particles, in here?
Well "Blame it on Rio", I mean belfagar.

[Joebad]

Hmm, a discussion of particle physics, psychology, physiology, biology and the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Has someone engaged the improbobility drive?


Seriously though Bionca,
It's hard to find a soul mate. I'm 50 and I still haven't. Don't let a few jerks discourage you. There are a great number of jerks out there so odds are that you are going to meet quite a few.
Adding your uniqeness to the equation makes finding the right one even harder.
You should know that some guys will do things when they are horny that they might regret having done after they've climaxed. That's why they can act so strange. It's much like a drug addiction.
A guy might believe in his heart that it's wrong to have sex with you, yet he is still very sexually attracted to you. He forgets his heartfelt beliefs and follows his penis. Afterwards he feels guilty.
He may blame you for turning him into a fag, a queer, gay, etc. He also may lash out at you verbally or even physically, so be very careful even though you've been upfront about who you are from the start.
When you are going out with a new guy find out all that you can about him and let someone else (a friend or a relative) know. Also, it's a good idea to non-chalantly let him know that someone knows that you are with him.
Wishing you peace, joy and love,
Joebad

[Bionca]

Thanks Joebad, I guess I understand why guys react the way they do... but I'm surprised at how common the reaction is. For example, the guy who I went out with twice - he was so keen to get things started, to the point I almost didn't put out because I was feeling a little pressure from him to do so, but after the first non-sex date I figured he was cool. I just don't know. Every T-girl I know is single, all of them who are actively seeking a relationship get offers for dates promising that the guy is "relationship minded" and all of them end up feeling like they were just used for sex.

It's hardly unique to T-gals, genetic girls get the same treatment. But the number of GG's in a relationship is much higher than TGs. It's a bit baffling to me.

You are 100% correct about safety. Women get beat and raped on dates, gay guys get beat and raped on dates, and TGs get a to deal with both sides. I have a friend who will call my cell phone while I'm on a date, just to let my date know that I have friends watching out for me. I also would never ever meet someone for the first time in private. Always meet for coffee, if things seem cool and safe.. then maybe we can go someplace more quiet. The meet me for coffee bit also weeds out the guys who are expecting an escort or who would be afraid to be seen with a girl like me in public.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by sesame

You mean, using the Glans of the penis to create the Clitoris? ...Because, thats where the sex nerves are most thoroughly distributed. Otherwise, there would be no "Real" feeling left in the genital organ.
I dont know where the skin will go in a vagina ( probably external labia), or where does the shaft fit in. May be the urinal tract will perform the same function in the new vagina?

They use as much of the penis as they can. I don't know a ton about the actual procedeure, I figure I'll cross that bridge when and if I come to it. I do know that the procedeure of removing the testicles and sack (to reduce prodution of testosterone) is no longer performed by most doctors because it limits what they have to work with when creating the vagina.

[Joebad]

Originally Posted by Bionca

They use as much of the penis as they can. I don't know a ton about the actual procedeure, I figure I'll cross that bridge when and if I come to it.

That is another thing that complicates your situation. If you meet someone who desires you as you are now, will he still desire you if you cross that bridge?

If he really loves you, I guess he will, but that would be a bad time to find out that he is too shallow. Just when you would need love and support the most.

I think that could be a good question to poll the group about. I'm not quite sure how to word it, but the gist would be: If you were find the perfect pre-op transgender woman in real life, would you still desire her post-op?

[sesame]

Every T-girl I know is single

Now that equation looks really sad from here.
May be demography doesnt apply to witty A-graders like Bionca here.
C'mon ladies, cheer up a bit, were not lost in Sahara desert for heaven's sake! We live in a randomly mixed up society with a miscellany of tastes for partners. Random like psychedelic bubbles! So everyone gets their cozy partner sooner or later.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by Joebad

I think that could be a good question to poll the group about. I'm not quite sure how to word it, but the gist would be: If you were find the perfect pre-op transgender woman in real life, would you still desire her post-op?

I think that's a great question, but I wouldn't ask it. I don't think guys would feel comfortable saying "no" if asked by a TG. I'd like to think that we fall in love with people, and we love our partners nomatter how their bodies change.

Realistically, though, sexual attraction is important in a relationship and part of that is desire for your partner's body. I know lots of people who love their partners, but lose sexual interest after they gain weight, get in an accident that scars their face, things like that. They love their partners, and wouldn't leave them, but the desire isn't there. I'd imagine the same would be true for someone who was attracted to pre-op TGs. They may stay in the relationship out of love or loyalty, but maybe the attraction would lessen...

[sesame]

Practical Application of a Tip from Bionca:

Get me a little tipsy on anything from a grape and soon enough I'm silly and giggly and eventually in the corner with my lips on some random guy

Sesame offers Bionca her favourite bouquet of flowers.
What flowers do you like, Sweetness?
Then he offers her wine which she cannot resist.
Finally he whispers in her ears, sheafs of poetry on her exquisite beauty.
How smart and wise she is.... She is, actually.
And as she drinks more and more, Bionca the wise undergoes a startling transformation...
The fire of lust has been kindled!
Goddess to Lioness

[Bionca]

Well.. I do have a special place for the Iris. Not sure why, but I love the flower... Wysteria also (but more growing than in a bouquet).

As to the rest.. my good man, I'd be afraid I'd ruin you for future girls and that wouldn't be fair to them at all.

[sesame]

my good man, I'd be afraid I'd ruin you for future girls

Pardon me, senorita,
how can a sweet honeypot like yourself ruin me?

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by sesame

Pardon me, senorita,
how can a sweet honeypot like yourself ruin me?

I'd set your expectations too high ... and that wouldn't be fair to the next girl(s)

[marlowe]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Well.. I do have a special place for the Iris. Not sure why, but I love the flower...

The Iris was a favourite of the painter Georgia O'Keefe. Her many paintings of flowers are abstractions that also act as sexual metaphors.

The first pic below is called 'Light Iris' and the second 'Black Iris'.

Here's some quotes from Georgia O'Keefe:

"When you take a flower in your hand and really look at it, it's your world for the moment. I want to give that world to someone else. Most people in the city rush around so, they have no time to look at a flower. I want them to see it whether they want to or not."

"Making your unknown known is the important thing."

"You get whatever accomplishment you are willing to declare."