San Francisco to ban circumcision

[GRH]

I resent what you imply. Circumcision if part of the Jewish covenant with God...Hardly a "cosmetic procedure" introduced by religious "extremists." You are free to disagree with the Jewish faith if you wish; I would in turn disagree with parents that baptize babies. In neither case should the state be intervening in what is a personal decision for the family.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Is female genital mutilation legal in the US? Surely there are already laws against randomly chopping bits off a baby for no reason other than the parents think it will look nice?

[smc]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

Is female genital mutilation legal in the US? Surely there are already laws against randomly chopping bits off a baby for no reason other than the parents think it will look nice?

The United States enacted federal legislation prohibiting female genital mutilation in 1996. It wasn't until 2006, though, that anyone in the United States was prosecuted for this crime. Khalid Adem was convicted and sentenced to 10 years imprisonment.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

Is female genital mutilation legal in the US? Surely there are already laws against randomly chopping bits off a baby for no reason other than the parents think it will look nice?

Female genital mutilation (partial or full clitoridectomy) was never about the girl "looking nice." It's about retarding the onset of sexual desire and killing most of it when it finally came.

Circumcision on the other hand is, as a previous poster pointed out, the Jewish version of a blood sacrifice to god.

[ila]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Circumcision on the other hand is, as a previous poster pointed out, the Jewish version of a blood sacrifice to god.

Circumcision is also a requirement of Islam. Calling it a blood sacrifice is going over the top.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Circumcision on the other hand is, as a previous poster pointed out, the Jewish version of a blood sacrifice to god.

Originally Posted by ila

Circumcision is also a requirement of Islam. Calling it a blood sacrifice is going over the top.

I couldn't agree more with ila that Enoch Root's statement is "over the top." "Blood sacrifice" involves death. Whatever else one might think of circumcision, in Judaism and Islam it is a religious affirmation of life.

[GRH]

People get their baby girl's ears pierced, they cut their baby's hair...I just think there are a LOT more worthwhile things that the government could be trying to regulate.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by GRH

People get their baby girl's ears pierced, they cut their baby's hair...I just think there are a LOT more worthwhile things that the government could be trying to regulate.

Firstly, ear piercing is tempory, they heal up if you stop wearing studs, and second, who the fuck pierces a baby's ears? Like an actual baby? Like in a cot, can't walk, put's small objects in mouth, actuall proper baby. If you're putting earrings in a baby you need a severe lesson in not being an utter fucktard.

Comparing to cutting hair is just retarded. What next? Chewing your fingernails is the same as cutting ur wrists?

You know what is retarded is, you can't get a piercing yourself untill ur 18 in california, but someone can get thier baby pierced. Sooo, a kid under 18 isn't allowed to do what they like with thier own body, but a parent can decide to pierce a baby when the baby is incapable of consent.

Do you think california should get rid of thier current law against tatooing minors so ppl can tattoo thier baby? I mean ur aginst this kind of regualtion right, shouldn'y be the gubments job going about interfering? so lets all tattoo babies, make them more interesting to look at. you know how parents are all like look how cute my baby is, and they expect everyone else to be amazed by thier baby as they are. It's so tedious, but what if they put a kickass tattoo of like Batman or like Sonic the Hedgehog on the babies chest? That would be way cool and then would be a lot less boring when they go showing the baby to everyone.

Could solve the circumcision problem too. Instead of cirmcucinsing the baby, Jewish parents could just have a big tattoo saying 'This baby is property of Yahweh' across it's back as an alternative.


Tattoo your baby today! You know it makes sense!

[desirouspussy]

Originally Posted by GRH

People get their baby girl's ears pierced, they cut their baby's hair...

Let me tell you something that you apparently don't know, GRH.

Foreskins don't grow back!

[desirouspussy]

Originally Posted by GRH

I resent what you imply. Circumcision if part of the Jewish covenant with God...Hardly a "cosmetic procedure" introduced by religious "extremists." You are free to disagree with the Jewish faith if you wish; I would in turn disagree with parents that baptize babies. In neither case should the state be intervening in what is a personal decision for the family.

It is amazing that in this day and age so many religious people (not just Jews) justify this medieval practice by saying that it's what God wants us to do.
Now, would the Lord really have made such a silly little mistake creating men?

No man or woman has the right to interfere with the body of a another human being and most certainly not a child that cannot voice its opinion.
It should as you say indeed be a personal decision, and therfore no member of the family should have a say on the matter.
In order to protect the rights of all those innicent children, government intervention is absolutely essential.

[Amy]

Originally Posted by GRH

I resent what you imply. Circumcision if part of the Jewish covenant with God...Hardly a "cosmetic procedure" introduced by religious "extremists." You are free to disagree with the Jewish faith if you wish; I would in turn disagree with parents that baptize babies. In neither case should the state be intervening in what is a personal decision for the family.

Are you saying America as a country is 50% populated by Jews?

Circumcision as widely practiced in the US was introduced by CHRISTIAN fundamentalists like Mr Kellogg (Who had many HILARIOUSLY interesting beliefs) who believed it would prevent young boys from masturbating, when all that it actually did was lead to America becoming a world leader in the R&D of lubricants.

But even IF you are a Jewish family, that does not give you any right to impose barbaric stone age religious blood ritual ceremonies on a child. Some Jewish groups HAVE joined modern, civilised society, and replaced such practices with symbolic ritual gestures. It's not a big thing to give up, and any adult is of course free to choose to have it done themselves, just as they can choose to get a prince albert, a penis extension, or a glans bisection. That's their body, their right.

When it comes down to it, you don't see most modern Jews owning slaves, or going out to shopping malls on a weekend and killing all the staff. Time moves on, religious practice moves on, and a bunch of bloodthirsty savages evolve into a well-respected, well-educated, and civilised segment of society, who place society's rules first where it is the decent thing to do.

[JodieTs]

Bigger picture for a trans site.

Circumcision reduces the available donor material available for sex reassignment surgery. That has an implication for the depth of a neo-vagina
in Vaginoplasty where the penis inversion method is used.

Where non-penis inversion method is used, there is less donor material for labiaplasty.
Dr Suporn uses this technique and he lists circumcision as the first thing to compromise vaginal depth:
The best aesthetics and maximum depth are obtained if the patient has:
1. not been circumcised;
http://www.supornclinic.com/restrict...Technique.aspx

In truth, no parent thinks their baby boy will be Ts so the above consideration is never made.