Liberal free for all coming to an end

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

The right has, since FDR, been determined to eliminate all public services (social security, welfare, food stamps, etc.) that he instituted. What do you think would happen if they got their wish?

It would be a heck of a lot worse than if the dollar collapsed because we couldn't get our spending under control. Is a $14 trillion debt just too big for you or anyone else to comprehend so you ignore it? So you just go on and act as if it doesn't exist and say ok, now back to our entitlements....

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

It would be a heck of a lot worse than if the dollar collapsed because we couldn't get our spending under control. Is a $14 trillion debt just too big for you or anyone else to comprehend so you ignore it? So you just go on and act as if it doesn't exist and say ok, now back to our entitlements....

Typcial GOP BS,

The hugh debit was not made by entitlements this hugh debit was made by Bush's tax cuts for the rich and the two wars he started
Ending entitlements completely will no where near elimitate the debit
If the GOP really called about the debit they would not be adding trillions to it by keeping the tax cuts for the rich

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

Typcial GOP BS,

The hugh debit was not made by entitlements this hugh debit was made by Bush's tax cuts for the rich and the two wars he started
Ending entitlements completely will no where near elimitate the debit
If the GOP really called about the debit they would not be adding trillions to it by keeping the tax cuts for the rich

I didn't say debit. I said debt. And I think you're thinking of deficit rather than debt. Deficit is the amount we over spend each year, and yes we had some ass kicking to do after 9/11 and it cost some money. I've said it before and I'll say it again. BO has already outspent Bush's over spending by several times.

I'm talking about the soon to be $14 trillion DEBT which is the amount we owe to other countries. It has been growing over the last century and has really taken off since Nixon took us off the gold standard. When we get back to something Bush did we'll call you ok?

[transjen]

No i said debit ie like a magic card you insert and money comes pouring out

I think we can both agree something needs to be done about the sea of red ink started by W,

Where we disaggree on is who has to pay for it as you and the GOP feels the poor and working poor and midclass should foot the bill and suffer all the pain and the rich can live as they have and not worry about it
since 01 the rich and bussiness has had all the breaks and this trickle down did not create jobs all it did was create more red ink while the rich got richer
Trickle down is the biggest load of horse crap ever spoon feed to the US public in truth is a reverse Robin Hood that steals from the poor and gives to the rich as the rich pisses on the poors back and tells em it's raining
You want to drain the red ink then raise taxes you want to create jobs start putting a big taxes on all imports and perhaps then companies will start making good in the US
The rich has had 8 years of massive tax cuts and it's time they start paying for there party
I'm waiting for the GOP's next FU tax gimmick where they will claim Bussiness should not pay any yaxs at all and the employees should pay the taxes for em
wait an see it will happen
Jerseygirl Jen

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

No i said debit ie like a magic card you insert and money comes pouring out

I think we can both agree something needs to be done about the sea of red ink started by W,

This isn't something we agree on. Bush did not create the debt.

Originally Posted by transjen

Where we disaggree on is who has to pay for it as you and the GOP feels the poor and working poor and midclass should foot the bill and suffer all the pain and the rich can live as they have and not worry about it
since 01 the rich .... snip

I think you were born in '01. You have no concept of any other president other than Bush & BO. That there was debt before Bush comes as news to you. If anyone thinks he's got a magic debit card it's BO. He's printed several trillion dollars since he's come into office. If you can cite a time when Bush contributed more to the debt than your beloved Obama then by all means, tell me. Otherwise this is becoming a bore.

[transjen]

OF course W is innocent after all he started with a balanced budget and for the first time ever the goverment had money left over and your great little runt W who stole the election pissed it all away the first few months he stole power by round one of his tax cuts for the rich and starting the sea of red ink then he started two wars and did a second round of tax cuts for the rich then he bailed out wall street and then he started the US car makers bailout and yet you have the balls to say W didn't create this mess
I don't care how bored you get but the truth is W started the sea of red ink and trickle down economics only adds more red
Bo screwed up by caving in to the GOP and allowing two more years of tax cuts for the rich adding 900 million to the red ink all thanks to the GOP who demanded the rich not pay taxes the same GOP who ran on ending the debt
So tell me agian how the GOP is innocent and none of this is there fault and don't give me any of Rush or Palins made up BS
Jerseygirl Jen

[randolph]

What Republicans are determined to ignore is that labor creates wealth. The miners digging ore, the assemblers in the auto plant, the machinist making machines, these are the people making wealth. Businessmen (CEOs) take that created wealth and distribute most of it to themselves. Its true enough that managers allocate and manage labor to optimize the creation of wealth but they do not create it, the workers create it. Even on Wallstreet if the guys behind the computers went home, no wealth would be created.
Basically, the Republicans want a slave economy where they get all of the benefit from labor and don't have to pay for it.
This is what they want and they are determined to get it. Hopefully, soon the workers in this country will wake up, but I doubt it.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

OF course W is innocent after all he started with a balanced budget and for the first time ever the goverment had money left over and your great little runt W who stole the election pissed it all away the first few months he stole power by round one of his tax cuts for the rich and starting the sea of red ink...

Etc etc... It's the same old discredited arguments as before.

In other news, Pelosi wants to have a party to celebrate all that congress has accomplished!! LOL! You just can't make this stuff up.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

It would be a heck of a lot worse than if the dollar collapsed because we couldn't get our spending under control. Is a $14 trillion debt just too big for you or anyone else to comprehend so you ignore it? So you just go on and act as if it doesn't exist and say ok, now back to our entitlements....

I don't think anyone including conservatives comprehends the huge debt.
If the conservatives would get serious about the debt, they would support canceling the huge tax break for the rich.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

I don't think anyone including conservatives comprehends the huge debt.
If the conservatives would get serious about the debt, they would support canceling the huge tax break for the rich.

We can't pay off the debt if our economy grinds to a halt. You drastically raise taxes for business owners (i.e. the rich) in the middle of a recession and that's what you'll do. And guess what. The democrats will be wanting more trillion dollar stimulus packages and continue raising the debt to help all the out of work people because you want to tax businesses to death. We need to allow the economy to recover, and cut spending, people will return to work and the debt will go down.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

We can't pay off the debt if our economy grinds to a halt. You drastically raise taxes for business owners (i.e. the rich) in the middle of a recession and that's what you'll do. And guess what. The democrats will be wanting more trillion dollar stimulus packages and continue raising the debt to help all the out of work people because you want to tax businesses to death. We need to allow the economy to recover, and cut spending, people will return to work and the debt will go down.

Part of the unemployment problem is companies are hording cash and not hireing because productivity is keeping up with demand. Unless demand increases faster than productivity companies will not hire. So what increases demand? Putting people back to work.
We need to make our own stuff. Rich American companies are making their stuff in China. It's time to tax the profits of goods made outside the US.