Bailey Jay is a bust.

[Sigma]

Originally Posted by smc

Nevertheless, at issue here is that in your posts you present yourself as the arbiter of quality. You write: "In my final words, Bailey Jay has delivered a poor product. Her pretty face is the only reason why the poor quality of her product is overlooked."

This is a statement presented as fact, and it is insulting to others, too, because you position yourself as the all-knowing person who recognizes the poor quality, whereas all the other dumb slobs are so taken by Bailey's "pretty face" that they "overlook" everything else.

Has it occurred to you that Bailey Jay is a superstar not because of dupes, but because the majority of people who have contributed to making her a superstar simply don't see things the way you do?

You misinterpreted my statement. I was not calling anyone dumb. It is known in the porn business that some girls are popular for their looks, and the poor quality of their performances are often overlooked. That's the cast that I'm making about Bailey. Sure she is very sexy. A lot of people do not care about the quality of porn as long as the girl is sexy.

Again it is just an opinion. I do not hold the title of the "all knowing being". Just because I'm the only member who has the balls to criticize someone does not mean that I think I'm better than others.

[Nikki]

I think Bailey Jay is very hot

Originally Posted by Sigma

Again it is just an opinion... ...Just because I'm the only member who has the balls to criticize someone does not mean that I think I'm better than others.

Anyone can have an ?opinion.? A two year old can have an ?opinion.? That excuse ?I?m just expressing my opinion? is just BS and doesn?t cut it. I suppose most of us don?t post critical comments here, not because we don?t ?have the balls? but perhaps because we seriously like (love?) and appreciate these beautiful women who perform for us.

[Sigma]

Originally Posted by aw9725

Anyone can have an ?opinion.? A two year old can have an ?opinion.? That excuse ?I?m just expressing my opinion? is just BS and doesn?t cut it. I suppose most of us don?t post critical comments here, not because we don?t ?have the balls? but perhaps because we seriously like (love?) and appreciate these beautiful women who perform for us.

Your comment is very weird to me because in the straight porn community people are more open to criticize someone's performances. I have not attacked the person Bailey Jay. I attacked her product. Not once did I judge her for who she is.

I appreciate girls who are attractive and give good performances. Being a transsexual does not give a tgirl the right to be appreciated by doing porn. She needs to earn her appreciation by producing a good product. I don't expect people to appreciate me without earning it.

Another weird thing is you said "love". I don't understand why it is so common to see tgirl porn watchers say they love someone who they never met. It's seems creepy and stalker like.

Instead of having an actually debate a couple of members decided to be offended.

[Tread]

Originally Posted by Sigma

I have not attacked the person Bailey Jay. I attacked her product. Not once did I judge her for who she is.

Instead of having an actually debate a couple of members decided to be offended.

Calling Bailey Jay a bust in the Title does not sound like you only attack her product.

You don?t seems to have the intention of having an actually debate. You start Threads with dismissive titles and try to find others who share your view.

Originally Posted by Sigma

Just because I'm the only member who has the balls to criticize someone does not mean that I think I'm better than others.

Making things/products, conditions (POV, Hardcore), or people bad because you personally dislike it/them or their doing has nothing to do with having balls to criticize. I think you created this thread only to make her site bad, and boost up your opinion.

You could have expressed that you want to see more hardcore, dirty talking, ? of her or anything like that, but instead you call her, the site and her products a bust. A respectful or constructive criticism is something different.

Originally Posted by Sigma

Your comment is very weird to me because in the straight porn community people are more open to criticize someone's performances. I have not attacked the person Bailey Jay. I attacked her product. Not once did I judge her for who she is.

I appreciate girls who are attractive and give good performances. Being a transsexual does not give a tgirl the right to be appreciated by doing porn. She needs to earn her appreciation by producing a good product. I don't expect people to appreciate me without earning it.

Another weird thing is you said "love". I don't understand why it is so common to see tgirl porn watchers say they love someone who they never met. It's seems creepy and stalker like.

Instead of having an actually debate a couple of members decided to be offended.

YOU seem very weird and creepy to me. Also your comments come across as very ill informed, selfish, and childish. "Love" is a figure of speech--anyone who read my post would know how I intended it. Incidentially I see an awful lot of posts on here that use the and icons. I doubt we are all "stalkers."

There is nothing to debate.

[Sigma]

How are my comments ill-informed? I am a member of the Tgirl Network. I do enjoy the sites and their content. I am not pleased with Bailey's product. Criticizing someone can be seen as selfish, but it's not childish.

I have seen a lot of people on many different tgirl sites say they "love" the girl. There is no other type of porn that has this many people saying "I love her". I've been a member on some of the top straight porn sites. It is rare to see someone say "I love her". However, it is very common to see that on a tgirl site.

The quality of her product was up for debate. Don't twist things around.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Sigma

Your comment is very weird to me because in the straight porn community people are more open to criticize someone's performances. I have not attacked the person Bailey Jay. I attacked her product. Not once did I judge her for who she is.

I appreciate girls who are attractive and give good performances. Being a transsexual does not give a tgirl the right to be appreciated by doing porn. She needs to earn her appreciation by producing a good product. I don't expect people to appreciate me without earning it.

Another weird thing is you said "love". I don't understand why it is so common to see tgirl porn watchers say they love someone who they never met. It's seems creepy and stalker like.

Instead of having an actually debate a couple of members decided to be offended.

You have now elevated yourself to the master level on this site of people who run from what they say, don't take responsibility for the actual words they use, and hide behind "opinion."

There is a debate. You hide behind the fact that you're not "winning" by trying to change the subject.

[Sigma]

Originally Posted by smc

You have now elevated yourself to the master level on this site of people who run from what they say, don't take responsibility for the actual words they use, and hide behind "opinion."

There is a debate. You hide behind the fact that you're not "winning" by trying to change the subject.

I am clearly winning the debate because NO one has spoken about the topic. Instead members are upset that I criticized one of their favorites.

[rockabilly]

To be fair Bailey is just getting started , she does her guy scenes POV to give her guy fans the illusion of being the guy fucking her ... and while it limits what positions are used it does have perks. And nothing ruins a good jerk more than when the cam is on the girl then jumps to the dudes face! Nooooooo focus the cam on her dammit !

She will improve w/ time and bigger budgets.

[Sigma]

Originally Posted by rockabilly

To be fair Bailey is just getting started , she does her guy scenes POV to give her guy fans the illusion of being the guy fucking her ... and while it limits what positions are used it does have perks. And nothing ruins a good jerk more than when the cam is on the girl then jumps to the dudes face! Nooooooo focus the cam on her dammit !

She will improve w/ time and bigger budgets.

The problem with this is the fact that the other SMC girls had good video quality in their early videos. It seems odd that Bailey could not get someone to film good quality.

Does every guy scene have to be in POV? Isn't the point of porn is to fantasize regardless of the video style? I don't like POV scenes. Although I would not mind if not all of her guy scenes were POV. The other SMC girls do have POV, they also have regular view porn as well for their members.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Sigma

I am clearly winning the debate because NO one has spoken about the topic. Instead members are upset that I criticized one of their favorites.

Not a single one of my comments has anything to do with whether Bailey Jay is one of my favorites or whether I have any interest in her whatsoever. It is about what you write and how you present your "opinions." The actual content is secondary.

As aw9725 put it ...

[tsfever]

Originally Posted by smc

You have now elevated yourself to the master level on this site of people who run from what they say, don't take responsibility for the actual words they use, and hide behind "opinion."

There is a debate. You hide behind the fact that you're not "winning" by trying to change the subject.

Kinda interesting, SMC. I may or may not agree with Sigma, however, you are making a personal attack by stating that Sigma is "running away" from his statement, or won't "take responsibility" for his words, and "hide behind 'opinion'".

In the past I noticed that you , as a Moderator, "kicked" people for a political statement that simply asked the poster to re-think his statement through the eyes of the people that it affects. I hope this will not be your choice again

I actually disagree with Sigma, however, there is no need to attack him.

[smc]

Originally Posted by tsfever

Kinda interesting, SMC. I may or may not agree with Sigma, however, you are making a personal attack by stating that Sigma is "running away" from his statement, or won't "take responsibility" for his words, and "hide behind 'opinion'".

In the past I noticed that you , as a Moderator, "kicked" people for a political statement that simply asked the poster to re-think his statement through the eyes of the people that it affects. I hope this will not be your choice again

I actually disagree with Sigma, however, there is no need to attack him.

I have not attacked him personally. I attacked his METHOD. A personal attack would be to call someone stupid, or a coward, or an idiot, or smelly, or a person with bad taste. I have done none of that.

Take a moment. Reread every one of his posts in this thread and his responses to those who challenged those posts. Take your time. Think about it carefully.

Now, come back and show us how he did NOT do what I wrote characterizing his approach to the debate.

[Sigma]

I did attack me by lying that I have changed the subject of the debate, but it was YOU WHO CHANGED the subject.

There is a debate. You hide behind the fact that you're not "winning" by trying to change the subject.

You also have privately threaten to ban me when I have NOT broken any rules.

[Sigma]

Originally Posted by smc

1. It is your responsibility to ensure that you are understood. Instead, you blame me for misinterpretation.

I was very clear in my opening. I'm not responsible for your lack of reading and comprehending skills.