Immigration law

[randolph]

Originally Posted by ila

I base my statement not just on my own experience, but from what I have seen. When I was young most of my friends were considered poor or at least low income. None of my friends turned to crime. We did, however, turn out to be independant, self reliant, and hardworking.

I have met many poor people in my travels and the majority did not turn to crime to survive. Naturally there are those that have turned to crime. I would say it's sloth that causes a person to turn to crime rather than being poor.

I have often noticed that very conservative people tend to equate "sloth" and lazyness as causing a person to turn to crime. Actually, I think there are basically two types of criminals, the ones that get caught and the ones that don't. The IQ of prison inmates is around 80, they are pretty stupid so they get caught. The bright ones are on Wall Street. Criminals are people that have no respect for laws and are willing to take much higher risks than the rest of us.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

I have often noticed that very conservative people tend to equate "sloth" and lazyness as causing a person to turn to crime. Actually, I think there are basically two types of criminals, the ones that get caught and the ones that don't.

Back to the subject of the thread. The Arizona law has police officers checking the citizenship of law breakers who exhibit signs of also being illegal aliens (such as driving without a valid drivers license among other things). These would already be law breakers, and if it turns out they are also illegal aliens they are by definition breaking even more laws. Regardless of what motivated them to breaking laws, what's wrong with booting them out of the country?

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Back to the subject of the thread. The Arizona law has police officers checking the citizenship of law breakers who exhibit signs of also being illegal aliens (such as driving without a valid drivers license among other things). These would already be law breakers, and if it turns out they are also illegal aliens they are by definition breaking even more laws. Regardless of what motivated them to breaking laws, what's wrong with booting them out of the country?

We have every right to boot them out. We need to figure out how to discourage them from coming here in the first place. A start would be to revise NAFTA so that peasant farmers in Mexico and Central America can make a decent living on their small farms. ADM and other big US subsidized farming corporations now flood NAFTA countries with cheap grains and powdered milk putting local farmers and dairies out of business.

[GRH]

Originally Posted by randolph

We have every right to boot them out. We need to figure out how to discourage them from coming here in the first place. A start would be to revise NAFTA so that peasant farmers in Mexico and Central America can make a decent living on their small farms. ADM and other big US subsidized farming corporations now flood NAFTA countries with cheap grains and powdered milk putting local farmers and dairies out of business.

That's exactly the point I made earlier in the thread. People often just assume that the grass is greener in America, but it is only because NAFTA and agricultural subsidies have destroyed the way of life of indigenous farmers. Modifying NAFTA and getting rid of subsidies would be a start in the right direction.

But what do we do with the millions of illegals already here? I propose we make it impossible for them to find gainful work by imposing such harsh penalties upon businesses that might hire them, that no business dares hire illegals. Further, those that perpetrate the trade of illegal/fake papers should be given prison sentences just shy of the death penalty.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by GRH

That's exactly the point I made earlier in the thread. People often just assume that the grass is greener in America, but it is only because NAFTA and agricultural subsidies have destroyed the way of life of indigenous farmers. Modifying NAFTA and getting rid of subsidies would be a start in the right direction.

But what do we do with the millions of illegals already here? I propose we make it impossible for them to find gainful work by imposing such harsh penalties upon businesses that might hire them, that no business dares hire illegals. Further, those that perpetrate the trade of illegal/fake papers should be given prison sentences just shy of the death penalty.

I wonder why our politicians don't seem to recognize the fundamental issues involved in this immigration problem.
Well I suppose if we legalized drugs they could go back to their farms and grow the stuff that many in this country crave.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by GRH

But what do we do with the millions of illegals already here? I propose we make it impossible for them to find gainful work by imposing such harsh penalties upon businesses that might hire them, that no business dares hire illegals.

That's what the courts have said is legal. Obama wants the supreme court to rule that it's illegal though. What are his intentions? If we were to judge him (and several other politicians) based on his actions we would have to conclude that he wants this country to be crawling with illegals.

[Rachel]

Havent been here in a while but thought I must throw my hat into the ring. First and foremost... How can we be a country if there are no borders? Look up immigration laws in Mexico. Everything is a Felony. We need a fence. A .50 cal fence every half mile.

[TracyCoxx]

Here's something Obama's news networks won't tell you. Due to our govenrment's negligence, and ultimately BO's negligence (when he canceled construction of the fence that Rachel mentioned) was the straw that broke the camel's back... Not only has our borders been breached, the US has actually lost 3500 acres of land, including an 80 mile section of the border, to Mexico.

This land, which is part of the US, is actually off limits to Americans!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/16...der-americans/

McCain and law enforcement there have requested 3000 troops to retake the land and secure the border there.

Again, just going by BO's actions, what is he trying to accomplish? Why would he cancel construction of the fence on what is recognized as the gateway for illegal aliens?

He's trying to change the demographics of the country, and if drug lords get through as well, who cares right?

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Rachel

Havent been here in a while but thought I must throw my hat into the ring. First and foremost... How can we be a country if there are no borders? Look up immigration laws in Mexico. Everything is a Felony. We need a fence. A .50 cal fence every half mile.

But what about all the lovely Latin trannies who come here?