Marriage

[ila]

There have been other threads dealing with the type of relationship that men would like with transwomen. Those threads have been rather broad based. This one is specifically about marriage. For those that live where marriage to transwomen is not legal then substitute long term relationship for marriage.

I would like to get responses from both men and genetic women on whether or not you want to marry a transwoman. I would also like to hear from the trans ladies of the site. Do you want to get married or not?


As for myself more than anything I want to marry a transwoman. I?ve known it and felt it for a long time. I?ll be happier than I ever have been in my life when I do marry a transwoman or at the very least live together with a transwoman. I prefer marriage as it affords her a lot of legal protections.

[JodieTs]

Tomorrow my partner & I are off to a wedding of two friends
who have been an item for 10 years.
[S. had SRS, 8 years ago & FFS 4 years ago]

So yes this does happen.
In the uk where if you fulfil certain criteria,
You can obtain a GRC gender recognition certificate.
you are able to alter your birth certificate, along with all other documents.
You can then marry a partner who is opposite your adopted gender.

Paradoxically, a GRC will not be granted if you are currently married to a person of the opposite to your birth sex,
as this would be legally same sex marriage for a couple where one partner has obtained a GRC.
Hopefully this anomaly will alter with the incoming government,
then gay male marriages & lesbian marriages will be allowed.


The important thing for any trans
Pre, non or post op
is that the trans background is secondary & incidental
to the main reasons a person wants a long term relationship,,,
That you want to be with the person.

We all want to be loved. ;-)

[NickNickNick]

I would LOVE to marry a TS. It's been one of my dreams for a long time, i would be so happy...

It would be nice but seems very unlikely now.

[smc]

I am very proud to live in Massachusetts, the first place in the United States where gender was eliminated as an issue in determining whether you can be legally married. If any of our members in other states want to come here and get married (even though it may not be recognized when you get back home), I will gladly throw you a party!

[merelypink]

you can marry it legal everywhere unless you tell the person one of u is transexual.... they dont know unless u tell them

[smc]

Originally Posted by merelypink

you can marry it legal everywhere unless you tell the person one of u is transexual.... they dont know unless u tell them

Well, I can now add lawyer to the list of things I know MerelyPink is not.

[The Conquistador]

California lets you change the gender on your Birth Certificate. I know because mine said "Female" for the longest time. Apparently, having a pecker and a masculine body wasn't convincing enough for the nurse and doctor who were helping delivering me. Either that or they were idiots.

[GRH]

I just celebrated my seventh wedding anniversary. We've been together for ten years. Personally, I can't imagine not being married. I really hate the dating game and all the awkwardness that that entails.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by GRH

I just celebrated my seventh wedding anniversary. We've been together for ten years. Personally, I can't imagine not being married. I really hate the dating game and all the awkwardness that that entails.

Lucky you!

[shadows]

Originally Posted by smc

Well, I can now add lawyer to the list of things I know MerelyPink is not.

How true! I can just imagine the legal ramifications of attempting to get a marriage certificate through subterfuge and then getting caught.

I just hope for the day that marriage is legal no matter what. As long as they are both consenting adults, why should it be anyone elses concern?

[shadows]

Originally Posted by GRH

I just celebrated my seventh wedding anniversary. We've been together for ten years. Personally, I can't imagine not being married. I really hate the dating game and all the awkwardness that that entails.

I am sincerely happy for you. Love is a wonderful thing.

[smc]

Originally Posted by GRH

I just celebrated my seventh wedding anniversary. We've been together for ten years. Personally, I can't imagine not being married. I really hate the dating game and all the awkwardness that that entails.

Congratulations, and best wishes for all the happiness in the world.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by shadows

How true! I can just imagine the legal ramifications of attempting to get a marriage certificate through subterfuge and then getting caught.

I just hope for the day that marriage is legal no matter what. As long as they are both consenting adults, why should it be anyone elses concern?

You can get "same sex" marriages in the US, it's just that the marriages are not recognized by the Fed and certain states. There are gay people here in SD that get married all the time. The big thing people really want are the tax breaks and other benefits that come from being "married", which brings up the next question of why the Fed has a say in who can get married.

But yes, trying to pull one over on Uncle Sam can lead to some very harsh jail time and or fines.

Yes shadows, I completely agree with what you said. All marriage is is a social contract between two consenting adults and when the issue ever gets to the SCOTUS, hopefully they will look at it the same way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act <-----This= Unconstitutional. Fuck you Bill Clinton!

[shadows]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

You can get "same sex" marriages in the US, it's just that the marriages are not recognized by the Fed and certain states. There are gay people here in SD that get married all the time. The big thing people really want are the tax breaks and other benefits that come from being "married", which brings up the next question of why the Fed has a say in who can get married.

But yes, trying to pull one over on Uncle Sam can lead to some very harsh jail time and or fines.

Yes shadows, I completely agree with what you said. All marriage is is a social contract between two consenting adults and when the issue ever gets to the SCOTUS, hopefully they will look at it the same way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act <-----This= Unconstitutional. Fuck you Bill Clinton!

Thanks for the information, Postman.

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by smc

Well, I can now add lawyer to the list of things I know MerelyPink is not.

never wear fresh whitewash in the rain. It's to easy to see thru.

I get the message but does Pink get the message?
I wonder if this saga will ever end.

[Shemale Cam Addict]

I`d like to that`s for sure

[shadows]

Originally Posted by franalexes

never wear fresh whitewash in the rain. It's to easy to see thru.

I get the message but does Pink get the message?
I wonder if this saga will ever end.

Considering how MP "fires and forgets" on every single post, that is highly unlikely.

[km1]

Marriage, no way! I don't care if she's a tgirl or a ggirl, I doubt she'd be able to put up with me for longer than six months.

[smc]

Originally Posted by shadows

Considering how MP "fires and forgets" on every single post, that is highly unlikely.

Having MerelyPink get the message is not my point at all.

[ila]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

You can get "same sex" marriages in the US, it's just that the marriages are not recognized by the Fed and certain states. There are gay people here in SD that get married all the time. The big thing people really want are the tax breaks and other benefits that come from being "married", which brings up the next question of why the Fed has a say in who can get married. ........

Same sex marriage is legal in Canada as well as several other countries. If a man, in Canada, marries a transwoman it is considered a same sex marriage. It's the same if a woman marries a transman. I look forward to the day when such marriages are not looked upon as same sex marriages, mainly so that it will give the dignity of recognizing that the trans partner in a marriage is really the gender that he or she identifies as.

[desirouspussy]

I would love to have a transsexual woman as my wife and the shockwave such a marriage would undoubtedly cause among my friends (not so much my direct family) could not prevent me from fulfilling my dream.
I often fantasise about such a marriage and even see myself on my knees proposing to the girl I love and adore.

But I guess it will always remain a dream. It's hard enough finding a pre-op girl who's interested in women.

Diana

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by GGadmirer

But I guess it will always remain a dream. It's hard enough finding a pre-op girl who's interested in women.

My man found one.

He recommends interacting on trans message boards like this one,
find someone you are attracted to. Interact on the boards
find if there are areas of common interest.
Avoid sex in conversations.
And if you click, meet as friends.
Then if you both feel there is more there, talk & suggest a date.

[desirouspussy]

I came across a survey conducted among transsexual women on the option of freezing sperm before transitioning. This particular part of the outcome really left me stunned.

Of 120 women answering the question concerning their sexual orientation, 22 considered themselves to be asexual, 30 heterosexual (being attracted to men), 34 lesbian (being attracted to women) and 34 bisexual. This strongly correlates with the answers to the question on present partnership: 67 of the respondents had no partner, 39 lived together with a woman (of whom 10 were transsexual women) and only 14 with a man (one of whom being a transsexual man).

So, where on earth are all the lesbians hiding?

Should anyone be interested, the survey can be found here:

http://www.iiav.nl/ezines/web/IJT/97-03/numbers/symposion/ijtvo06no03_02.htm

Diana

[outofmymind]

I would marry a trans woman. Hopefully an Asian ladyboy.

[Amy]

Originally Posted by GGadmirer

So, where on earth are all the lesbians hiding?

In my city.
We all go to each other's weddings.

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by JodieTs

You can obtain a GRC gender recognition certificate.
you are able to alter your birth certificate, along with all other documents.
You can then marry a partner who is opposite your adopted gender.

Paradoxically, a GRC will not be granted if you are currently married to a person of the opposite to your birth sex,
as this would be legally same sex marriage for a couple where one partner has obtained a GRC.
Hopefully this anomaly will alter with the incoming government,
then gay male marriages & lesbian marriages will be allowed.

Gay marriage is going to now happen in the UK, within the next 4 years:
www.telegraph.co.uk/Gay couples right to marry

[Hypo_Dude]

I'm going to be honest. I love tgirls as much as I love women. To me, there's not much that seperates them. But, it all comes down to me wanting to have the traditional family. Having children the old fashioned way. I can't have that with a tgirl, so I'll simply never go out of my way to find a tgirl to marry.

However, I've never loved a tgirl. I've never really had much experience with them. If I did happen to fall in love with one, the answer may be different.

[ila]

Originally Posted by Hypo_Dude

I'm going to be honest. I love tgirls as much as I love women. To me, there's not much that seperates them. But, it all comes down to me wanting to have the traditional family. Having children the old fashioned way. I can't have that with a tgirl, so I'll simply never go out of my way to find a tgirl to marry.

However, I've never loved a tgirl. I've never really had much experience with them. If I did happen to fall in love with one, the answer may be different.

Are you suggesting that transwomen aren't women? Surely you realize that transwomen are female and therefore women.

It is possible to have a family while married to a transwoman. Adopt children and you will be able to have your family.

[JodieTs]

Hypo_Dude has a reasonable point:
He wants to pass on his genes with a partner....
& with a trans that is just not possible.

If that drive is core to a persons desired relationship,
then Hypo_Dude makes a sensible pre-emptive decision.
Why invest time & emotions in a partner
who is physically unable to ever fulfil that thing.

It's not disrespectful to any trans
nor should we take it to be so.

[Hypo_Dude]

Cheers Jodie, that's exactly what I meant. I want children who are biologically related from me. It's absolutely nothing personal.

ila, what I was getting at was that I don't want to adopt. I wasn't disrespecting or trying to suggest that transwomen aren't women. Sorry if it came across that way.

[ila]

Originally Posted by Hypo_Dude

Cheers Jodie, that's exactly what I meant. I want children who are biologically related from me. It's absolutely nothing personal.

ila, what I was getting at was that I don't want to adopt. I wasn't disrespecting or trying to suggest that transwomen aren't women. Sorry if it came across that way.

No problem. I understand now what you are saying.

[rockabilly]

I want to get married one day.

It's a simple statement that causes so many problems , especially in the bible belt.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by rockabilly

I want to get married one day.

It's a simple statement that causes so many problems , especially in the bible belt.

Move out and you will find the bountiful blessings that come in the form of trannies.

[Be_my_nude]

JodieTs has hit the nail on the head, at least for me. Falling in love is all about discovery and accepting the other person for what they are to a point where perhaps previous biases and prejudices become totally irrelevant. But the process is not especially about sexual discovery - it is about discovering the person. And JodierTs is right, the way to allow love to unfold in your heart is sometimes best achieved by laying aside physical urges for a while so as to get to know and appreciate the person you are with.

So my answer is ' yes ' if I fell genuinely in love. Nothing else would matter.
Nor would I debate definitions and conventions. They would not be a consideration.

Children with my own genetic make-up ? I am not able to have children, but surrogacy or adoption would be an option, if that is what my partner wanted.

Currently relationship wary, but still hoping, maybe.

[desirouspussy]

Originally Posted by Amy

In my city.
We all go to each other's weddings.

I see, so can you get me an invitation for the next wedding, Amy?

Diana

[alyssaluxor]

its always been my dream to have a bf/husband!

so if anyone out there wants to marry me just contact me

kisses
Alyssa Luxor

[footluv777]

i would marry a tgirl for sure if we clicked.

[sosed]

About marriage or long term relationship I could say, that I don't wont to live with another man, but with a woman. But what is most important for me is, that we love each other and that we are compatible by our caracters, intellectually, mentally, in other words to be soul mates and if we are not compatible, the relationship will not last. To have a quality life together it doesn't matter if she is genetic girl or tgirl.

[transjen]

I wanted to at one time but now i'm not so sure anymore
Jerseygirl Jen

[runround04]

For me it wouldnt be a matter of transwomen or GG, it would be would i marry the specific person im with. So, I guess thats a yes.

[TheCrystalKing]

It could cause some irritating complications with friends and family and so on, but if you love someone, you shouldn't let anything stop you!

[davecess]

Apart form the procreation issue already mentioned the answer has got to be yes. I know a t-girl I would marry if she would have me.

[Hedonistman]

My lovely ts pinay g/f, last week said 'YES' so she now my fiance . We're not yet certain of our where or when, but is rumored that soon the Philippines will legalize same sex marriage. If not we'll most likely go to Thailand since I think foreigners too can legaly wed ts girls there.
I'm so excited,,, just can't hide it ,,,, as the song goes, lol.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Hedonistman

My lovely ts pinay g/f, last week said 'YES' so she now my fiance . We're not yet certain of our where or when, but is rumored that soon the Philippines will legalize same sex marriage. If not we'll most likely go to Thailand since I think foreigners too can legaly wed ts girls there.
I'm so excited,,, just can't hide it ,,,, as the song goes, lol.

Congratulations and best wishes!

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Hedonistman

If not we'll most likely go to Thailand since I think foreigners too can legaly wed ts girls there.

If that is true, Areeya will soon be mine! :D

[ila]

Originally Posted by Hedonistman

My lovely ts pinay g/f, last week said 'YES' so she now my fiance . We're not yet certain of our where or when, but is rumored that soon the Philippines will legalize same sex marriage. If not we'll most likely go to Thailand since I think foreigners too can legaly wed ts girls there.
I'm so excited,,, just can't hide it ,,,, as the song goes, lol.

Congratulations. I'm very happy for both of you.

[Hedonistman]

I appreciate the congrats very much. I had been searching for over 5 yrs to find my 'miss ts right' (or should that be 'miss right ts' lol (?) ), and I was lucky enough to do so last Dec. Since then our relationship, like any other, (esp so for ld 1's) has had it's ups and downs. But we hung tough through those, and are all the better for it.
Thanks again for the congrats amd support.....

[StrangeLookinRabbit]

I think people do just fine without adding eternal fidelity and spousal rights into the mix.

[franalexes]

Don't marry someone you can live with.

Marry someone you can't live without.