Barack Obama

[Talvenada]

TRACY:

So, Roberts' flub caused Obama to flub, which brings Obama's citizenship and motives into question? Any reasonable person would agree with you that Obama needs to be questioned, because it's so obvious?

TAL

[randolph]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

TRACY:

So, Roberts' flub caused Obama to flub, which brings Obama's citizenship and motives into question? Any reasonable person would agree with you that Obama needs to be questioned, because it's so obvious?

TAL

Hey TAL. Don't you think someone is jerking your chain?

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by randolph

Hey TAL. Don't you think someone is jerking your chain?

RANDY:

NO!! Conse 'Pubs call it political debate, and in this case Tracy feels it's a matter of equal opinions. The other type of debate is an honest debate. In a political debate evolution vs. creationism are equal opinions.

In their thinking there is NOTHING Obama can do to prove otherwise unless he meets each one in person to hand them an original of his birth certificate, and mark my words this issue will not go away until he leaves The WH--maybe, not even then.

39% of Conse 'Pubs feel that Obama is not an American, and an additional 29% are not sure. That's 68%! These are the people who cannot believe that Bush 43 was questioned.

Notice the recent use of the word r-ded once by R. Emanuel. Palin called for his resignation as the only way for the apology to mean anything, but Limbaugh uses the more offensive r-ard SIX times. That however is repeating Emanuel which is okay, and/or an affront to being to PC, which is more than okay.

TAL

[randolph]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

RANDY:

NO!! Conse 'Pubs call it political debate, and in this case Tracy feels it's a matter of equal opinions. The other type of debate is an honest debate. In a political debate evolution vs. creationism are equal opinions.

In their thinking there is NOTHING Obama can do to prove otherwise unless he meets each one in person to hand them an original of his birth certificate, and mark my words this issue will not go away until he leaves The WH--maybe, not even then.

39% of Conse 'Pubs feel that Obama is not an American, and an additional 29% are not sure. That's 68%! These are the people who cannot believe that Bush 43 was questioned.


Notice the recent use of the word r-ded once by R. Emanuel. Palin called for his resignation as the only way for the apology to mean anything, but Limbaugh uses the more offensive r-ard SIX times. That however is repeating Emanuel which is okay, and/or an affront to being to PC, which is more than okay.

TAL

I think this whole issue of the birth certificate is nothing more than egregious racism.

[The Conquistador]

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[The Conquistador]

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/60932


Transcript of video:

FIRST FRAME:

?The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined.?
--James Madison
Federalist No. 45

SECOND FRAME:

The health care bills approved by the House and Senate both mandate that individuals buy health insurance. Congress has never before ordered Americans to buy anything.

THIRD FRAME:

?The government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the United States.?
--Congressional Budget Office Memorandum, August 1994

FOURTH FRAME:

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R.-Utah): ?If that is held constitutional--for them to be able to tell us we have to purchase health insurance--then there is literally nothing that the federal government can?t force us to do. Nothing.?

FIFTH FRAME:

CNSNews.com asked Members of Congress: Where does the Constitution authorize Congress to force individuals buy health insurance?

SIXTH FRAME:

Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy (D.-Vt.)
CNSNews.com: "Where, in your opinion, does the Constitution give specific authority for Congress to give an individual mandate for health insurance?"

Leahy: "We have plenty of authority. Are you saying there is no authority?"

CNSNews.com: "I?m asking--"

Leahy: "Why would you say there is no authority? I mean, there?s no question there?s authority. Nobody questions that."

SEVENTH FRAME:

House Speaker Pelosi Nancy Pelosi (D.-Calif.)
CNSNews.com: ?Madam Speaker, where specifically does the Constitution grant Congress the authority to enact an individual health insurance mandate??

Pelosi: ?Are you serious? Are you serious??

EIGHTH FRAME:

Sen. Mark Warner (D.-Va.)
?There is no place in the competition, in the Constitution, there is no place in the Constitution, there is no place in the Constitution, there is no place in the Constitution, there is no place in the Constitution that talks about you ought to have the right to get a telephone, but we have made those choices as a country over the years.?

CNSNews.com: ?Does the Constitution give Congress the authority to mandate whether individuals should purchase health insurance ? to mandate that they have to purchase health insurance??
Warner: ?The United States Congress passed laws regarding Medicare and Medicaid that became de facto mandatory programs. States all the time require people to have driver?s licenses. I think that this is a bit of a spurious argument that?s being made by some folks.?

NINTH FRAME:

Sen. Bob Casey (D.-Pa.)
CNSNews.com: ?Where does the Constitution give Congress that authority, for an individual health care mandate??

Casey: ?Well, I don?t know if there?s a specific constitutional provision.

TENTH FRAME:

Sen. Daniel Akaka (D.-Hawaii)
CNSNews.com: ?Does the United States Constitution give the United States Congress the authority to mandate individuals to have health insurance, to carry health insurance?

Akaka: ?I?m not aware of that--let me put it that way. ?

CNSNews.com: ?Is there any specific area of the Constitution that would give Congress the authority to be able to mandate individuals to have to purchase health insurance??

Senator Akaka: ?Not in particular with health insurance. It?s not covered in that respect.

ELEVENTH FRAME:

Sen. Roland Burris (D.-Ill.)
CNSNews.com: ?Federally, if you look at it from a federal standpoint, what area specifically of the Constitution would give Congress the power to mandate an individual to have health insurance??

Senator Burris: ?Well, that?s under certainly the laws of the--protect the health, welfare of the country. That?s under the Constitution. We?re not even dealing with any constitutionality here. Should we move in that direction? What does the Constitution say? To provide for the health, welfare and the defense of the country.?

TWELFTH FRAME:

Sen. Jack Reed (D.-R.I.)
CNSNews.com: ?Specifically where in the Constitution does Congress get its authority to mandate that individuals purchase health insurance??

Reed: ?Let me see. I would have to check the specific sections. So, I?ll have to get back to you on the specific section. But it is not unusual that the Congress has required individuals to do things, like sign up for the draft.

THIRTEENTH FRAME:

Sen. Bernard Sanders (I.-Vt.)
CNSNews.com: ?Where in the Constitution does Congress get the authority for a health insurance mandate??

Sanders: ?Where in the Constitution? Probably the same place that comes Medicare and Medicaid and the CHIP Program and the Veterans Administration, and the health care programs that we?ve been doing for many, many decades.?

FOURTEENTH FRAME:

Sen. Sherrod Brown (D.-Ohio)
CNSNews.com: ?Where in the Constitution does Congress get the authority for an individual health care mandate??

Brown: ?The same part of the Constitution that allows us to have Medicare. When I hear people that think this is a constitutional issue, my first question to them is, ?Do you want to repeal Medicare?? And some people, politically, are so extreme in this country that they want to repeal Medicare, and I think they?re dead wrong.?

FIFTEENTH FRAME:

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D.-Mo.)
CNSNews.com: ?Specifically where in the Constitution does Congress get the authority to mandate that individuals buy health insurance??

McCaskill: ?Well the -- we have all kinds of places where the government has gotten involved with health care and mandating insurance. In most states, the government mandates the buying of car insurance, and I can assure everyone that if anything in this bill is unconstitutional, the Supreme Court will weigh in.?

SIXTEENTH FRAME:

Sen. Jeff Merkley (D.-Ore.)
CNSNews.com: ?Specifically, where in the Constitution does Congress get its authority to mandate that individuals purchase health care??

Merkley: ?The very first enumerated power is power to provide for the common defense and the general welfare. So it?s right on, right on the front end.?

CNSNews.com: ?Okay, if that?s the case--?

Press Secretary: ?Thank you. I?m sorry, we have to get going. Thank you.?

SEVENTEENTH FRAME:

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D.-Calif.)
CNSNews.com: ?Where in the Constitution does Congress get the authority for an individual health insurance mandate??

Feinstein: ?Well, I would assume it would be in the Commerce clause of the Constitution. That?s how Congress legislates all kinds of various programs.?

EIGHTEENTH FRAME:

Sen. Kent Conrad (D.-N.D.)
CNSNews.com: ?Could you specifically say where in the Constitution does Congress get the authority to mandate that individuals get health insurance??

Conrad: ?No, but I?ll refer you to the legal counsel for the Senate and they?re the ones that lead there as the full legal basis for the individual mandate--and I assume it?s in the Commerce clause.?

NINETEENTH FRAME:

Sen. Mary Landrieu (D.-La.)
CNSNews.com: ? What part of the Constitution do you think gives Congress the authority to mandate that individuals have to purchase health insurance??

Landrieu: ?Well, we?re very lucky as members of the Senate to have constitutional lawyers on our staff, so I?ll let them answer that.

TWENTIETH FRAME:

Sen. Ben Nelson (D.-Neb.)
CNSNews.com: ?Specifically, where in the Constitution does Congress get its authority to mandate that individuals purchase health insurance??

Nelson: ?Well, you know, I don?t know that I?m a constitutional scholar. So, I, I?m not going to be able to answer that question.?

TWENTY-FIRST FRAME:

Sen. Richard Lugar (R.-Ind.)
CNSNews.com: ?Where does Congress find the authority to mandate that people buy health insurance??

Lugar: ?I don?t have any idea

TWENTY-SECOND FRAME:

Sen. John McCain (R.-Ariz.)
CNSNews.com: "Senator, on the health care issue, where in the Constitution does Congress get the authority to mandate that individuals get healthcare?"

McCain: "That is an excellent question, and I?m sure that if they pass health care legislation, I think there would be a challenge.?

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

So, Roberts' flub caused Obama to flub, which brings Obama's citizenship and motives into question? Any reasonable person would agree with you that Obama needs to be questioned, because it's so obvious?

Try and follow along. I used the oath of office as an example that BO doesn't want any questions about the validity of his presidency. So why wouldn't he show his birth certificate for the same reason, especially since he wasn't even required to redo the oath of office.

Originally Posted by Talvenada

In their thinking there is NOTHING Obama can do to prove otherwise unless he meets each one in person to hand them an original of his birth certificate, and mark my words this issue will not go away until he leaves The WH--maybe, not even then.

I don't feel that way, and I doubt most other conservatives feel that way.

Originally Posted by Talvenada

Notice the recent use of the word r-ded once by R. Emanuel. Palin called for his resignation as the only way for the apology to mean anything, but Limbaugh uses the more offensive r-tard SIX times. That however is repeating Emanuel which is okay, and/or an affront to being to PC, which is more than okay.

Well Palin is wrong. She's letting her emotions about her retard child get in the way of policy. Political correctness is the problem, not freedom of speech.

Originally Posted by randolph

I think this whole issue of the birth certificate is nothing more than egregious racism.

Randolf, why is that racism? This should be standard procedure for ANY presidential candidate.

[Talvenada]

TRACY:

I'm not going to even read posts that sound like a certain show.

TAL

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

I'm not going to even read posts that sound like a certain show.

I use more than one source for my info. And I understand if you want to take any excuse you can to try and blow it off rather than address it.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I use more than one source for my info. And I understand if you want to take any excuse you can to try and blow it off rather than address it.

TRACY:

Yes, you have other sources besides Glenn Beck.

Beck says he's a commie, Nazi, and the whole admin. is filled with commies.

Coulter says he's deliberately ruining the country.

Limbaugh says he caused the economy to fail on 9/08.

Hannity says the town hallers were little old ladies.

Levin says he wants to take our money and give it to inner city scum.

So, you want me to offer a counter opinion to Obama in the above accusations that are presented as fact?

TAL

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

Beck says he's a commie, Nazi, and the whole admin. is filled with commies.

Here's what his administration is made of:
Van Jones - http://www.eastbayexpress.com/gyroba...wFullText=true
"Jones had planned to move to Washington, DC, and had already landed a job and an apartment there. But in jail, he said, "I met all these young radical people of color -- I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, 'This is what I need to be a part of.'" Although he already had a plane ticket, he decided to stay in San Francisco. "I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary." In the months that followed, he let go of any lingering thoughts that he might fit in with the status quo. "I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th," he said. "By August, I was a communist.""

- John Holdren, science "czar" - proposed "compulsory sterilization" and forced abortions to control population.

- Cass Sunstein, regulatory "czar" - proposed bans on hunting and eating meat and proposed that your dog to be allowed to have an attorney in court. And a fairness doctrine for the Internet, which he has since stepped away from. I don't know if commie's want lawyers for dogs, but strange never the less.

- Carol Browner, global warming "czar" - was part of Socialist International, a group for "global governance"

- Ezekiel Emmanuel, health care adviser - proponent of the Complete Lives System, which puts values on lives based mostly by age. Socialist health care.

Originally Posted by Talvenada

Levin says he wants to take our money and give it to inner city scum.

That's called redistribution of wealth. BO said it himself.

[m666]

Well, TracyCoxx, If you are able to explain to me how a czar can be a socialist, you win the sports car!

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Try and follow along. I used the oath of office as an example that BO doesn't want any questions about the validity of his presidency. So why wouldn't he show his birth certificate for the same reason, especially since he wasn't even required to redo the oath of office.

I don't feel that way, and I doubt most other conservatives feel that way.


Randolf, why is that racism? This should be standard procedure for ANY presidential candidate.

RANDY:

Obama had shown his birth certificate long ago, but here it is 6 to 9 months later, and Conse 'Pubs still want to see the BC. How Hillary & McCain didn't go after this indicates that we can only trust a Conse 'Pub in The WH, no?

I've seen a Conse 'Pub on TV hold the BC in his hand, and not change his tune for even 1 second. So, I say again there is NOTHING Obama can do that they will accept. They will continue to claim they only want to see his BC, because they want to reach the uninformed with fuzzy logic. It's a political debate, which means Obama is not an American is an EQUAL opinion.


TAL

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Try and follow along. I used the oath of office as an example that BO doesn't want any questions about the validity of his presidency. So why wouldn't he show his birth certificate for the same reason, especially since he wasn't even required to redo the oath of office.

I don't feel that way, and I doubt most other conservatives feel that way.

Well Palin is wrong. She's letting her emotions about her retard child get in the way of policy. Political correctness is the problem, not freedom of speech.

Randolf, why is that racism? This should be standard procedure for ANY presidential candidate.

Log into factcheck.org, photos of the birth certificate are there with interviews of the officials in charge of the birth records in Hawaii, who say this whole controversy is ridiculous. Attached is a photo showing the embossed stamp on his birth certificate. Right wing agitators will do anything to stir up trouble.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Log into factcheck.org, photos of the birth certificate are there with interviews of the officials in charge of the birth records in Hawaii, who say this whole controversy is ridiculous. Attached is a photo showing the embossed stamp on his birth certificate. Right wing agitators will do anything to stir up trouble.

Yeah, I've got one of those too...

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Yeah, I've got one of those too...

RANDY:

Now do you understand that nothing is good enough!!


TAL

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

Now do you understand that nothing is good enough!!

Just an illustration to show how easy this is to do and to show why originals are needed. It's only the presidency.

And for the record, I'm not accusing him of not being a natural born US citizen. I'm just pointing out that it makes himself look suspicious that he doesn't bring forth an original copy of his birth certificate, especially when it's one of the few eligibility requirements for being president.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Just an illustration to show how easy this is to do and to show why originals are needed. It's only the presidency.

And for the record, I'm not accusing him of not being a natural born US citizen. I'm just pointing out that it makes himself look suspicious that he doesn't bring forth an original copy of his birth certificate, especially when it's one of the few eligibility requirements for being president.

TRACY:

What does Obama have to do to convince you? Please elaborate.

TAL