Barack Obama

[CCC]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

The Battle lines have been drawn. PEOPLE vs. MONEY. Talk is over, it's ON now, it's war. It will be hilarious to hear Fox and Rush defend the freedom of the Wall St. thieves.

YES THE WAR IS ON----That A-Hole Obama with his idiots now wants to destroy banking because they don't control it like they control your mind. The stock market just dropped 3 days ina row because of his big mouth---you happy?--you friggin liberal idipots don't realize that it's the businesses in this country that pay your wages and pay all the taxes. Remember the bottom half of income earners only pay 3% of the taxes to run this country and 90% or better of them are flaming loser liberals. Does that include you?

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by CCC

YES THE WAR IS ON----That A-Hole Obama with his idiots now wants to destroy banking because they don't control it like they control your mind. The stock market just dropped 3 days ina row because of his big mouth---you happy?--you friggin liberal idipots don't realize that it's the businesses in this country that pay your wages and pay all the taxes. Remember the bottom half of income earners only pay 3% of the taxes to run this country and 90% or better of them are flaming loser liberals. Does that include you?

Look at taxes by state and general liberal/conservative leanings. Then look at tax burden in these states. You will find the majority of federal tax PAYING states vote liberal, while the most conservative voting states tend to be higher tax RECIPIENTS.

For example - Vermont = liberal = federal tax excess. Okalhoma = conservative = tax burden.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Look at taxes by state and general liberal/conservative leanings. Then look at tax burden in these states. You will find the majority of federal tax PAYING states vote liberal, while the most conservative voting states tend to be higher tax RECIPIENTS.

For example - Vermont = liberal = federal tax excess. Okalhoma = conservative = tax burden.

Isn't ironic that the most conservative anti liberal states are the poorest and least educated and require the most government assistance? Of course that is Pat Roberts, Russ Limbaugh, Fox News territory.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by randolph

Isn't ironic that the most conservative anti liberal states are the poorest and least educated and require the most government assistance? Of course that is Pat Roberts, Russ Limbaugh, Fox News territory.

The disconnects in the American voter is an odd odd thing. The base of the Conservative movement here is two-pronged. You have the "values voters" and "Free market folks". Ultimately these two will have to sort out their own laundry since "values voters" require welfare, state funding of religion, onerous laws and in short, MASSIVE government.

Free market dudes just want to remove child labor laws, government foreign aid, the Family Medical Leave Act, medical research and education grants.

Sooner or later they will realize they are their own worst enemy. The Free market dudes will eventually hive off, the values crowd will hook up with the Blue Dog Dems (good to see them go), and we can finally have an actual Liberal party as an option.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Bionca

The disconnects in the American voter is an odd odd thing. The base of the Conservative movement here is two-pronged. You have the "values voters" and "Free market folks". Ultimately these two will have to sort out their own laundry since "values voters" require welfare, state funding of religion, onerous laws and in short, MASSIVE government.

Free market dudes just want to remove child labor laws, government foreign aid, the Family Medical Leave Act, medical research and education grants.

Sooner or later they will realize they are their own worst enemy. The Free market dudes will eventually hive off, the values crowd will hook up with the Blue Dog Dems (good to see them go), and we can finally have an actual Liberal party as an option.

That American voters so consistently vote against their real interest is actually not such a mystery. It becomes understandable when one considers the unique "ideology" that is instilled in American children from an early age ... an ideology that is largely unknown in the rest of the world. Specifically, those who control the wealth in this country figured out a long time ago that the so-called "American dream" (e.g., anyone can become rich, anyone can grow up to be president, etc.) was a powerful tool to use in avoiding having to do some of the things that the European welfare states have had to do, specifically have strong social safety nets in essentially capitalist countries. If you hammer into people's heads, at a young age, the notion that it is their own responsibility to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, you gradually erode within society the sense of social solidarity that is common to Europeans. It makes it easy to argue against the essential human reality that -- when it comes to living socially and ensuring a good life for all, especially in a wealthy land like the United States -- and injury to one is an injury to all.

I remember once when I was living in Paris for a short while that I would walk by, in my neighborhood, a creche (daycare center) every day on my way to work. There seemed to be about 30 or so children who were taken care of at this particular place. One morning, I walked by and found a large crowd, about 400 people, demonstrating. Many of them had their children with them, and few (obviously) were the parents of the actual children who attended the daycare center. The government had announced a cutback the day before, and the entire neighborhood came out in protest -- even the relatively wealthy people who had children with nannies! I asked some of my neighbors why they were there and they said that it was their civic duty to defend the interests of the people who needed this government-provided assistance. That was it. Simply put and simply true.

American "individualism" is a trick used by those who seek to control the wealth. But it is so deeply ingrained that you can find people voting and acting against their own economic interests and those they share with their neighbors at every turn.

[jimnaseum]

Originally Posted by CCC

it's the businesses in this country that pay your wages and pay all the taxes. Remember the bottom half of income earners only pay 3% of the taxes to run this country and 90% or better of them are flaming loser liberals. Does that include you?

Hey Genius, where do you think the businesses and banks GET their money? From the LOSERS? The middle class pays for EVERYTHING!!!

[CCC]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

Hey Genius, where do you think the businesses and banks GET their money? From the LOSERS? The middle class pays for EVERYTHING!!!

I am going to try to play nice here BUT all the businesses and banks get all thier money from everyone---winners and losers---whether they be black, white, pink or purple. The problem is the dang liberal dems need a welfare class to vote to keep them in business--that is why there are more liberals in the cities and especially where there are universities.

Just a thought--could it be as a person gets more successful in the city that they try to escape to the country to get away from the libs??? Just a thought

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by CCC

Just a thought--could it be as a person gets more successful in the city that they try to escape to the country to get away from the libs??? Just a thought

Population trends say... NO, not really. The most liberal cities tend to have massive housing shortages (even after the housing bust) while suburban and rural housing no such shortages (one could even say surplus given the current market)

[jimnaseum]

The "wink wink" factor you will never hear any politician talk about is the perception that Republicans are white and Democrats are black. And Republicans want you to keep the money you earn while the Dems want you to "spread it around" to welfare mothers. The perception is your one choice is to hang with the white people, or hang with the black people. While this is partly true, the greater truth is that if you make less than $100,000/yr, you ARE a black person!!!! And unless you are one of the very small percentage of people that strike it rich, the HOUSE will always win, and you lose. The game is fixed. The Republican plan is that every cent a working man earns goes towards "goods and services" ...and, oh yeah, (wink wink) they control all the "goods and services"
A strong middle class equals a strong America. Don't you worry about the rich people, they'll be fine.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

The "wink wink" factor you will never hear any politician talk about is the perception that Republicans are white and Democrats are black. And Republicans want you to keep the money you earn while the Dems want you to "spread it around" to welfare mothers. The perception is your one choice is to hang with the white people, or hang with the black people. While this is partly true, the greater truth is that if you make less than $100,000/yr, you ARE a black person!!!! And unless you are one of the very small percentage of people that strike it rich, the HOUSE will always win, and you lose. The game is fixed. The Republican plan is that every cent a working man earns goes towards "goods and services" ...and, oh yeah, (wink wink) they control all the "goods and services"
A strong middle class equals a strong America. Don't you worry about the rich people, they'll be fine.

JIM:

Bush 41 left a deficit for Clinton, Clinton left a surplus for Bush 43, Bush 43 left a whopping deficit for Obama.

Conse 'Pubs put us in a hole with tax cuts, and The Dems have to pay the bill. Then, Conse 'Pubs say we cut taxes, and Dems raise taxes. Will that Conse 'Pub vote be cash or charge?


TAL

[Mel Asher]

From England I fear for Obama. I just hope he isn't given the ' bum's rush ' before he has an opportunity to show what he is capable of. We are still suffering in the U.K. from the aftermath of Flim-Flam endless-promises Tony Blair, but we hope that Obama doesn't end up being coralled down the same reformist route that Clinton did ( and I'm NOT referring to his sex life either ! )

Obama can be a great president given time and luck, that's as I see it.

[jimnaseum]

In Olde Europe, people followed leaders who were "Father Figures" and were trusted to serve them. American Leaders are civil servants. Taxes pay for goods and services: Schools, military, medicare, social security, etc. The problems arise when our leaders are not civil servants, but servants to Big Oil, Insurance Companies, Pharmaceutical companies, and Banks.
In the Garden of Eden, God owned the Tree of Knowledge. In the USA, the People own it. Oh, Shit!!

[jimnaseum]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

JIM:
Bush 41 left a deficit for Clinton, Clinton left a surplus for Bush 43, Bush 43 left a whopping deficit for Obama.

Yes, and in a Court of Law, case closed. That's all the evidence you need.
Of course, Jimmy Carter kind of screwed things up. JFK took us toe to toe with WWIII. And Reagan took Moscow.
And if a quake ever hits California like it did Haiti, we're all fucked.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

Bush 41 left a deficit for Clinton,
Clinton left a surplus for Bush 43,
Bush 43 left a whopping deficit for Obama.

Conse 'Pubs put us in a hole with tax cuts, and The Dems have to pay the bill.
Then, Conse 'Pubs say we cut taxes, and Dems raise taxes.
Will that Conse 'Pub vote be cash or charge?

Well, if Bush left a "whopping deficit for Obama", just what is Obama leaving the next president?
Or all of us, as citizens, for that matter?
As Tracy CORRECTLY pointed out in another thread...

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Bush with mixed congress: $11B deficit
Bush with Republican congress: $339B deficit

Bush with Democratic congress: $704B deficit

Obama with Democratic congress: $2.7 Trillion deficit

I'm blaming Bush and the Republican congress for the $339B deficit.
The $704B deficit with the Democratic congress, not so much.
And I'm definitely blaming BO and the Democratic congress for the $2.7 trillion deficit.

Tell me where I am wrong?

[smc]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

A strong middle class equals a strong America. Don't you worry about the rich people, they'll be fine.

There's no such thing as a "middle class." You either sell your labor, or you profit off the labor of others. Where's the middle in that?

[jimnaseum]

Originally Posted by smc

There's no such thing as a "middle class." You either sell your labor, or you profit off the labor of others. Where's the middle in that?

The middle class are the MAJORITY of Americans who make between x-dollars and y-dollars a year. LOTS of small business owners fit in this category. The more money the middle class has, the more money goes to the poor and the rich, TRICKLE OUT. You starve the middle class like Bush did, everything goes to Hell.

[schiff]

Originally Posted by smc

There's no such thing as a "middle class." You either sell your labor, or you profit off the labor of others. Where's the middle in that?

What is labor? Is work with your brain considered labor? Cause I'll tell ya, physics & calculus are pretty laborious....