Global warming???

[The Conquistador]

Whenever I think of dinosaurs, I always envision them with British accents. I don't know why.

[aussiepride]

sorry to restart an old thread, but it has become a somewhat heated issue in Australia.

recently our government passed a bill that brought in a "carbon tax" that is one of the highest in the world... at a time when we experienced one of our coldest, wettest summers on record.
we have also been hit with a levy to pay for a "desalinization plant" (turns salt water into drinkable freashwater), even when our freashwater dams are so far over maximum that they are over flowing.

personally i believe that global warming has yet to be proven, and even if it is occuring that there are other causes for it other than being influenced by "human development"

recent research into global warming has shown that global temperatures have in fact been steady for a number of years now.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by aussiepride

personally i believe that global warming has yet to be proven, and even if it is occuring that there are other causes for it other than being influenced by "human development"

recent research into global warming has shown that global temperatures have in fact been steady for a number of years now.

I wish I had definitive answers, but sadly global warming "science" has become highly politicized. So called scientists have been caught tweaking their numbers to back up global warming theories. There's probably some good scientists out there researching global warming, but without reproducing each of their experiments yourself you'll never know who they are. I do know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and that has to be controlled. The science is solid on that.

[desirouspussy]

Originally Posted by aussiepride

we have also been hit with a levy to pay for a "desalinization plant" (turns salt water into drinkable freashwater), even when our freashwater dams are so far over maximum that they are over flowing

One wet summer and all the water restrictions the people of Melbourne suffered in the past are forgotten. Truly amazing!

[aussiepride]

Originally Posted by GGadmirer

One wet summer and all the water restrictions the people of Melbourne suffered in the past are forgotten. Truly amazing!

it sure is amazing how a climatic event called the El Nino effect and the La Nina Effect which are the major influence on climate and can cause either an increase or decrease in ocean temps, air pressure, land temperatures and rainfall, and which switches roughly every 5 years and effects areas from north america, south america, africa, asia, and oceania (including melbourne) which has NOTHING to do with global warming or greenhouse effect is used as evidence for tough times in aus, droughts, water restrictions, but not when it causes increase rainfall and a decrease in water, and land surface temperatures.

The current Australian federal government has taken a massively eccessive stance on this issue. the general public, industry, business and the general scientific community think its exessive. Pandering to the green vote to maintain the balance of power is doing nothing to deal with this issue.

[smc]

For all those anti-science folks ...

[aussiepride]

Originally Posted by smc

For all those anti-science folks ...

make that yourself?

but as you said in it.. 90% of the scientific community..
there are very few things in life that are certain.
science in all its honour although trying to find truth, often isnt at a stage where it can understand everything.
so if all of the general population and the scientific community believed something, then that would make something even more likely? say when people believed the earth was flat or the earth was the centre of the universe?

until such time as those "10%" can be proven that it is man caused, or for that fact even happening lol, then i will continue to remain open minded.

[tslust]

You're absolutely right, scientists believe climate change is real.

[smc]

Originally Posted by aussiepride

make that yourself?

No.

Originally Posted by aussiepride

but as you said in it.. 90% of the scientific community..
there are very few things in life that are certain.
science in all its honour although trying to find truth, often isnt at a stage where it can understand everything.
so if all of the general population and the scientific community believed something, then that would make something even more likely? say when people believed the earth was flat or the earth was the centre of the universe?

Wow, what an analogy. Seriously? That's the best you can do ... compare a belief held based on no serious experimentation or exploration, only on a simple observation of the sun seeming to rise from beneath and set to below a plane surface, with extensive study of data and testing of hypotheses with advanced scientific methods and instrumentation? Yeah, I can really tell that you honor science.

(Yes, that's sarcasm ... to make my point.)

Originally Posted by aussiepride

until such time as those "10%" can be proven that it is man caused, or for that fact even happening lol, then i will continue to remain open minded.

I think you need to do a little scientific exploration of your own. Specifically, you should explore what the term "open minded" means.

Do you believe in evolution? You know, there are some "scientists" out there who speak up for "intelligent design."

I hope if you are a dad, or become one, you will have your baby immunized against disease rather than wait until everyone on the planet (not the last asinine holdouts) accepts that immunizations DO NOT cause autism.

[cwjakesteel]

Originally Posted by smc

For all those anti-science folks ...

Eh, that picture pretends that those are the only two factors involved.