Barack Obama

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

Is that 1'5 billion the total for all the former presidents or is that 1.5 for each?

Total

Originally Posted by transjen

but regauardless why should the tax payers keep them with secert service no one is going to waste there time trying to knock off a former president come on Carter left office in 81 Bush in 92 Clinton in 01 and W in 09 no terrorist will think or even try to knock one off them off only the sitting president is in any real danger the money wasted on the former presidents would be better spent elsewhere.

Saddam tried to kill Bush Sr. after he left office. In theory, any enemies a president makes while in office is in the course of defending the constitution and acting in the best interests of the USA (I mean, can you imagine a president doing something that most Americans oppose? Crazy I know). It's only right that tax payers return the favor by protecting the president, current or not, from those enemies.

Originally Posted by transjen

And how does Obama spending more money else where make spend the 1.5 billion guarding former presidents ok?The GOP keep yelling for the president to trim the bufget well here a 1.5 billion dollar trim

Because the point is trimming the budget. It's silly to worry about a $1.5 billion expense when over $2 trillion was just thrown away. The problem is the mindset that blew that $2 trillion is still in Washington on the verge of blowing another several trillion on healthcare reform.

What your suggesting is like using a teaspoon to bail out water shooting up from a baseball-sized hole in the bottom of a boat.

[TracyCoxx]

Janet Napolitano is another idiot that BO put into office. She's the head of Homeland Security. When talking about the failed bombing of the plane bound for Detroit on Christmas, it is her basic position that the "system worked" because the bureaucrats responded properly after the attack. That the attack was "foiled" by a bad detonator and some civilian passengers is proof, she claims, that her agency is doing everything right.

I wonder what color the skies are on her world? The terrorist's father warned the US state department 6 months ago about his son. Yet still he makes it on to the flight with explosives. In what possible fantasy does her claim even remotely make sense?

Monday she admitted the system failed. Uh, yeah... No shit Sherlock. She needs to be fired. Perhaps this will be a wake up call to BO.

Perhaps he should spend more time and effort helping the CIA stop terrorists abroad than pursuing investigations into CIA personnel who have kept us safe since 9/11.

Perhaps he should stop spending so much time and effort to remove terrorists from Gitmo and to arranging their trial in New York and their imprisonment in Illinois and spend much more time arranging for more terrorists to spend more time in Gitmo's secure confines.

Perhaps he should spend less time in Copenhagen seeking Olympic games and global warming fame and more time at home demanding more vigilance from his incompetent Homeland Security staff.

Perhaps he should spend more time encouraging and consulting with our allies like Great Britain and Israel than pleading with our enemies in Iran and North Korea for breakthroughs that will not come.

But hey, I'm just a ladyboy lover. What do I know?

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Janet Napolitano is another idiot that BO put into office. She's the head of Homeland Security. When talking about the failed bombing of the plane bound for Detroit on Christmas, it is her basic position that the “system worked” because the bureaucrats responded properly after the attack. That the attack was “foiled” by a bad detonator and some civilian passengers is proof, she claims, that her agency is doing everything right.

I wonder what color the skies are on her world? The terrorist's father warned the US state department 6 months ago about his son. Yet still he makes it on to the flight with explosives. In what possible fantasy does her claim even remotely make sense?

Monday she admitted the system failed. Uh, yeah... No shit Sherlock. She needs to be fired. Perhaps this will be a wake up call to BO.

Perhaps he should spend more time and effort helping the CIA stop terrorists abroad than pursuing investigations into CIA personnel who have kept us safe since 9/11.

Perhaps he should stop spending so much time and effort to remove terrorists from Gitmo and to arranging their trial in New York and their imprisonment in Illinois and spend much more time arranging for more terrorists to spend more time in Gitmo's secure confines.

Perhaps he should spend less time in Copenhagen seeking Olympic games and global warming fame and more time at home demanding more vigilance from his incompetent Homeland Security staff.

Perhaps he should spend more time encouraging and consulting with our allies like Great Britain and Israel than pleading with our enemies in Iran and North Korea for breakthroughs that will not come.

But hey, I'm just a ladyboy lover. What do I know?

Agreed, heads should roll. What about the idiots that gave him a visa?
Why didn't the warning from his father have any effect.
Also, apparently the attack was planned by guys released from Gitmo.
The radical Islamists seem to be making every effort to make this a religious war.
Scheduling the attack for Christmas day!
I would like to keep a moderate view toward Muslims but things like this make my blood boil.

[jimnaseum]

19 guys armed with boxcutters- We killed about 100,000 Iraqi civilians.
Lets call it even and figure out what to do with Iran. Before Israel does.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

19 guys armed with boxcutters- We killed about 100,000 Iraqi civilians.
Lets call it even and figure out what to do with Iran. Before Israel does.

Yeah, those Iraqis had nothing to do with 9/11 and we wonder why Arabs hate us. Also, Israel (with our support) drives the Arabs insane with their arrogant continued expansion of settlements on Palestinian territory. Yet our leaders seem unable to face up to the reasons Arabs hate us and do something about it other than bomb the hell out of them.

Also, the Arab Shias and Sunnis hate each other why not let them fight each other, maybe then they would let us alone.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by randolph

Yeah, those Iraqis had nothing to do with 9/11 and we wonder why Arabs hate us. Also, Israel (with our support) drives the Arabs insane with their arrogant continued expansion of settlements on Palestinian territory. Yet our leaders seem unable to face up to the reasons Arabs hate us and do something about it other than bomb the hell out of them.

Also, the Arab Shias and Sunnis hate each other why not let them fight each other, maybe then they would let us alone.

Go back and read Tracy's comment about how Saddam wanted to get former president George H Bush and then you see why W wanted the war in Iraq so badly and why our troops worked harded to capture Saddam then they did going after Bin-Laddin the course and master mind behind 9/11

Jerseygirl Jen

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Wow, here's something I didn't miss, The thread that won't die.



Oh, and the only thing you can compare Ann Coulter to is an escapee from a secure mental hospital...

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

Go back and read Tracy's comment about how Saddam wanted to get former president George H Bush and then you see why W wanted the war in Iraq so badly and why our troops worked harded to capture Saddam then they did going after Bin-Laddin the course and master mind behind 9/11

Jerseygirl Jen

Jen, Saddam wasn't firing at our planes that patrolled the no-fly zone over Iraq was he? Saddam wasn't actively trying to block UN inspectors was he? Saddam wasn't diverting funds from the UN for food to weapons was he? These all violated conditions of the cease fire of Gulf War I. So to say that W attacked Iraq ONLY because of the assassination attempt of his father is a bit short sighted.

And Saddam had to be caught. Not because of anything to do with 9/11, but because of his violations of UN resolution 687, and acts of biological warfare. Yes we allowed Iraq to import bacteria cultures which they used for weapons. Even more reason why it's our responsibility to put an end to Saddam.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Also, Israel (with our support) drives the Arabs insane with their arrogant continued expansion of settlements on Palestinian territory.

I'm not an expert on the history of Israel, the Arabs and the Palestinians, but didn't Israel expand into Arab territory after the 6-day war when Arabs decided Israel needed to go? And wasn't it the ancestors of the Palestinians, the Phoenicians, that first occupied Israelite territory?

Originally Posted by randolph

Yet our leaders seem unable to face up to the reasons Arabs hate us and do something about it other than bomb the hell out of them.

Enlighten me, why do they hate us?

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I'm not an expert on the history of Israel, the Arabs and the Palestinians, but didn't Israel expand into Arab territory after the 6-day war when Arabs decided Israel needed to go? And wasn't it the ancestors of the Palestinians, the Phoenicians, that first occupied Israelite territory?

Enlighten me, why do they hate us?

Well Tracy, I am not a historian but my understanding of Israel is that Arabs and Jews lived there for centuries before WWII in relative harmony. After the war the Zionists wanted there own country (fed up with predjudice) and they wanted their homeland Israel. Britan controlled Israel and did not want a Jewish state. They knew it would cause trouble. With US encouragement the British pulled out and the Zionists took over and pushed out the Palestinians and created a Jewish dominated state. Source one of US hatred.

Source two, Iran created a socialist state that thumbed their nose at the US and heaven forbid, developed relations with Russia. We found that intolerable, created a coup and installed the Shaw as a "monarch". The Iranians finally got fed up and installed a radical Islamic state which further fostered hatred of the US to strengthen their power.

Source three, years ago we cut a deal with Ibn Saud, leader of a tribe in Saudi Arabia to set him and his family up as permanent leaders of Arabia in exchange for their oil (Aramco). Arab religious leaders deeply resent the control of Arabia by the US and teach Arab male youths to hate the US (Whabinism an extreme form of Islam).

Source four, British imperialism thoroughly fucked up the Middle East by arbitrarily dividing it up into militarily controllable states that did not consider tribal and ethnic differences in the area. Consequently, there has been constant turmoil there and we inherited it from the British.

Source five, our firm support of Israel at the expense of the rights and concerns of Arabic peoples in the region.

The list goes on and on.

Anyway, HAPPY NEW YEAR!

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

19 guys armed with boxcutters- We killed about 100,000 Iraqi civilians.
Lets call it even and figure out what to do with Iran. Before Israel does.

Not to mention thousands of Al Qaeda & Taliban in Afghanistan. At what point does Al Qaeda realize they fucked up?

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Janet Napolitano is another idiot that BO put into office. She's the head of Homeland Security. When talking about the failed bombing of the plane bound for Detroit on Christmas, it is her basic position that the "system worked" because the bureaucrats responded properly after the attack. That the attack was "foiled" by a bad detonator and some civilian passengers is proof, she claims, that her agency is doing everything right.

I wonder what color the skies are on her world? The terrorist's father warned the US state department 6 months ago about his son. Yet still he makes it on to the flight with explosives. In what possible fantasy does her claim even remotely make sense?

Monday she admitted the system failed. Uh, yeah... No shit Sherlock. She needs to be fired. Perhaps this will be a wake up call to BO.

Perhaps he should spend more time and effort helping the CIA stop terrorists abroad than pursuing investigations into CIA personnel who have kept us safe since 9/11.

Perhaps he should stop spending so much time and effort to remove terrorists from Gitmo and to arranging their trial in New York and their imprisonment in Illinois and spend much more time arranging for more terrorists to spend more time in Gitmo's secure confines.

Perhaps he should spend less time in Copenhagen seeking Olympic games and global warming fame and more time at home demanding more vigilance from his incompetent Homeland Security staff.

Perhaps he should spend more time encouraging and consulting with our allies like Great Britain and Israel than pleading with our enemies in Iran and North Korea for breakthroughs that will not come.

But hey, I'm just a ladyboy lover. What do I know?

But you failed to mention both bozos were releashed in 07 under your belove W so this is another fine mess created by W and left for others to clean up


Jerseygirl Jen

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

But you failed to mention both bozos were releashed in 07 under your belove W so this is another fine mess created by W and left for others to clean up


Jerseygirl Jen

Which bozos do you speak of?