Barack Obama

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Joe Lieberman:
Skeptical of the health care plan.
A white male.
Doesn't seem to mind illegal immigrants taking over the country.
Believes US should accept responsibility for Global Warming

No longer considered a democrat.
Shut down by democrats in the middle of his speech.

I am switching my registration to independent.

Politicians - Republicans/Democrats hears to you!

[randolph]

"FRANKEN AMENDMENT BECOMES LAW.... In October, Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) proposed a key amendment to the 2010 Defense Appropriations bill. Yesterday, it was signed into law.

Motivated by the harrowing violence Jamie Leigh Jones suffered in 2005 while working for Halliburton/KBR in Iraq, Franken pushed a measure to withhold defense contracts from companies that "restrict their employees from taking workplace sexual assault, battery and discrimination cases to court." Franken's measure passed, 68 to 30. The 30 opponents -- representing 75% of the entire GOP Senate caucus -- were Republican men.

There were some implantation questions from the Pentagon, but after some additional efforts, and overcoming a Republican filibuster, Franken's measure became law after President Obama signed the Department of Defense Appropriations Act over the weekend.

Digby had a good take on this.

The reason I think it's good news isn't just on the substance (which it certainly is) but on the politics. Franken's amendment is driving the Republicans crazy because they basically voted to protect rapists and are now paying a political price for that. And now they are whining that Franken was somehow "uncollegial" because the amendment put them in an embarrassing position (which makes me wonder how many other things issues are swept under the rug because it would make members of the opposition uncomfortable.)

That's the kind of thing the Democrats should do more of. Expose the Republicans' hypocrisy and cruelty by forcing these issues on to the agenda.

Remember, Republicans can barely contain their outrage over this -- Franken proposed a common-sense measure; it passed easily; and opponents of the amendment have faced some severe criticicism as a result. "The nerve of that guy," conservative senators keep saying.

For his part, this is Franken's first key legislative success. Here's to many more like it."

At least some things are done right.

[pighead63]

I honestly hoped Obama would bring about change.. so powerful charismatic and motivating speaker in the campaign. but that seems to be gone.

* Health Care debacle - heard something got passed or almost passed?

* Afghanistan - 30k troops, after winning Nobel Peace Prize, and his explanation speech used identical language to Bush.

* Banks - had a meeting and 3 of the biggest just blew him off, after they were give 750 billion interest free loans which they then lent out on Credit Cards at 30%

I am not an Amrerican but terrifies me. Watching Bush get away with everything he did was sickening but Obama is no different.

JFK and Martin Luther were 2 of the biggest and best promoters of civil rights and transparency of government. They were both assasinated. JFKs brother picked it up and he was assinated. Ever since the President has towed the same corporate & military line.

Obama should have done what whether he promised or not people believed he would..

* Pull out of the unnecessary Wars
* Fix Health Care
* Regulate Wall Street

He should as Cheney did say stuff bi-partisan, this is the change people are screaming for and I am going to do it. Maybe his slow and steady approach might pay off in the long run.. but seeing him holding a useless 1 hour meeting with the banks and even then have 3 of the biggest blow him off I don't hold much 'hope'.

[TracyCoxx]

Senate Passes Health Insurance Overhaul

The Senate passed a health insurance overhaul on Thursday morning, 60-39, as both Democrats and Republicans held unified in their positions on the massive bill that mandates coverage for about 9 percent of the U.S. population now without insurance.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...h-care-reform/

Fuck you Senate. Fuck you very much.
You have violated your oath of office and passed a bill that is unconstitutional. What's more, you haven't represented your constituents. In EVERY poll over the past several months, US citizens DO NOT WANT HEALTH CARE REFORM! I don't need to wait for November 2010 for all you dipshits to be cleared out of congress because all the democrats in the senate should be thrown in jail.

Originally Posted by pighead63

He should as Cheney did say stuff bi-partisan, this is the change people are screaming for and I am going to do it.

He did say 'stuff bi-partisan'. They voted 60-39 along party lines. Only thing is he went against what the people were screaming for.

[TracyCoxx]

Damn Tytler, does he have to be so right?

Originally Posted by Tytler

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

* From bondage to spiritual faith;
* From spiritual faith to great courage;
* From courage to liberty;
* From liberty to abundance;
* From abundance to complacency;
* From complacency to apathy;
* From apathy to dependence;
* From dependence back into bondage.

[randolph]

Health industry lobbyists spent $600,000,000 on Congress to keep out the public option. They succeeded and Obama will sign it anyway. Corporate America owns the government, we are here just to pay the bills of the rich. How much longer are we going to put up with this shit?

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Health industry lobbyists spent $600,000,000 on Congress to keep out the public option. They succeeded and Obama will sign it anyway. Corporate America owns the government, we are here just to pay the bills of the rich. How much longer are we going to put up with this shit?

You want the government to run health care? Give me an example of an efficient, well run government agency. You'll say corporations aren't well run or efficient, but many of them are. They have to be other wise they will not be competitive. Government agencies OTOH do not have to be competitive. They don't even have to be mediocre. They will receive their budgeted amount regardless of how well they are doing, and regardless of whether the country actually even has money to pay them! This guarantees that they will be inefficient because they don't need to be. It also guarantees that they will be filled with schmucks who can't make it in the real world where they are held accountable for their performance.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Senate Passes Health Insurance Overhaul

The Senate passed a health insurance overhaul on Thursday morning, 60-39, as both Democrats and Republicans held unified in their positions on the massive bill that mandates coverage for about 9 percent of the U.S. population now without insurance.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...h-care-reform/

Fuck you Senate. Fuck you very much.
You have violated your oath of office and passed a bill that is unconstitutional. What's more, you haven't represented your constituents. In EVERY poll over the past several months, US citizens DO NOT WANT HEALTH CARE REFORM! I don't need to wait for November 2010 for all you dipshits to be cleared out of congress because all the democrats in the senate should be thrown in jail.


He did say 'stuff bi-partisan'. They voted 60-39 along party lines. Only thing is he went against what the people were screaming for.

Geez relax girl the GOP is already planning to do away with it before it ever takes effect the Senator from Texas is planning to go to the unsupreme court claiming health care for everyone is unconstoutional and if that doesn't work they plan in the next two election to retake the house, senate and white house and by a partasain vote take healthcare away from the poor and give it back to the rich so relax and don't blow a gasket the GOP will restore everything back to big business and the rich

Jerseygirl Jen

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

Geez relax girl the GOP is already planning to do away with it before it ever takes effect

I doubt they have the votes to enforce the people's will.

Originally Posted by transjen

the Senator from Texas is planning to go to the unsupreme court claiming health care for everyone is unconstoutional and if that doesn't work they plan in the next two election to retake the house, senate and white house and by a partasain vote take healthcare away from the poor and give it back to the rich

Hopefully they'll take health care away from the illegal aliens too that will wind up with it.

Health care for everyone - of the quality that most Americans are used to, is just not possible. The government is broke and the quality of health care is going to go down if you provide blanket health care for everyone. You don't solve the problem for 15% of the population by crippling a system that 85% of the population is fine with. You don't provide health care for illegal aliens (we all know this is next, and they're practically getting it anyway). If the government is broke, which it is btw, you don't launch yet another $multi-trillion program. Is it just me or are these things not obvious?

Originally Posted by randolph

Well if government is so inefficient why did the health industry spend six hundred million dollars to get the public option dropped? Sounds like the public option was a threat to their obscene profits screwing sick people.

Because the public option is a threat to the quality of health care in America, and they don't want government to move in and install a paralyzing bureaucracy.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Hopefully they'll take health care away from the illegal aliens too that will wind up with it.

It's a Christmas miracle we actualy aggree on something


Jerseygirl Jen

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I doubt they have the votes to enforce the people's will.

Hopefully they'll take health care away from the illegal aliens too that will wind up with it.

Health care for everyone - of the quality that most Americans are used to, is just not possible. The government is broke and the quality of health care is going to go down if you provide blanket health care for everyone. You don't solve the problem for 15% of the population by crippling a system that 85% of the population is fine with. You don't provide health care for illegal aliens (we all know this is next, and they're practically getting it anyway). If the government is broke, which it is btw, you don't launch yet another $multi-trillion program. Is it just me or are these things not obvious?

Because the public option is a threat to the quality of health care in America, and they don't want government to move in and install a paralyzing bureaucracy.

Oh, please! You think the health care industry cares about quality? All they care about is profits. They are corporations and they are beholden to their stockholders for dividends and stock value growth. If they don't come through, their shareholders will sell their stock. As long as we have this kind of system running our health care we will see escalating costs until none of us can afford it.