Barack Obama

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Well, there has to be a debate in every state in which Republicans, where they hold a majority or the governorship, will presumably decide to deny their own voters the option to get a cheaper health insurance plan.

If the debate is about a cheaper health care system that provides at least the same coverage that the majority of the population receives now, then sure, there's no debate. But Kevin Drum forgot to mention the little detail that it will cost more for worse health care.

[The Conquistador]

I can see a tax hike if the "public option" healthcare goes through. How else will they appropriate people's money to pay for the crap?

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

If the debate is about a cheaper health care system that provides at least the same coverage that the majority of the population receives now, then sure, there's no debate. But Kevin Drum forgot to mention the little detail that it will cost more for worse health care.

Cost more for whom? right now we pay through the nose for healthcare and one of the reasons is that hospitals have to provide healthcare for people who dont pay at emergency centers. The cost is applied to the payers. The system is broken and will get worse without revision.
The other aspect is that the conservative leadership doesn't give a shit about healthcare they are using the issue to try to weaken Obama's popularity by endless distortions and outright lies. Fuck the poor, fuck the underprivileged, only the people with good paying jobs deserve to have their healthcare paid by their employers.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by randolph

Cost more for whom? right now we pay through the nose for healthcare and one of the reasons is that hospitals have to provide healthcare for people who dont pay at emergency centers. The cost is applied to the payers. The system is broken and will get worse without revision.
The other aspect is that the conservative leadership doesn't give a shit about healthcare they are using the issue to try to weaken Obama's popularity by endless distortions and outright lies. Fuck the poor, fuck the underprivileged, only the people with good paying jobs deserve to have their healthcare paid by their employers.

Ha ha ha! The Government is one giant clusterfuck. Look at the DMV, Postal Service, Medicare, Social Security and numerous other programs/Gov. run institutions and ask yourself if they will do any better with healthcare. And give a clear, concise reason as to why and not the usual "Cuz the Obamessiah sez so" reason.

Then ask yourself where in the heck will they get the money to pay for all of it.

Why do people from Canada and other countries come here to get treated if they have Gov. sponsored healthcare in their own homelands that is "accessible" and "affordable"?

What is to stop them from denying you coverage?

Where else will you go if you get denied?

Are you willing to give up your healthcare for a lower standard?




A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on Paul's support

Villainy wears many masks; but none so dangerous as the mask of virtue.

[randolph]

I suggest you find a nice cute young California tranny and let her release your frustrations.
California is heaven on earth compared to the rest of the earth where its either too hot or too cold or too wet or too dry or the government is even more fucked up than California's.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by randolph

I suggest you find a nice cute young California tranny and let her release your frustrations.
California is heaven on earth compared to the rest of the earth where its either too hot or too cold or too wet or too dry or the government is even more fucked up than California's.

I have been looking for a cute Cali tranny but have been unsuccessful so far. The only good thing about this state is the weather. I might just move to TJ. I've seen soem smokin hot tgirls down there.

Who's the cute chick in the pics? Is she local to SD?

[The Conquistador]

SUNDAY FORUM: SUCK IT UP, AMERICA
We have become a nation of whining hypochondriacs, and
the only way to fix a broken health-care system is for all of
us to get a grip, says DR. THOMAS A. DOYLE
Anita Dufalla/Post-Gazette, Sunday, October 11, 2009,
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09284/1004304-109.stm
Post-Gazette illustration by Anita Dufalla
Emergency departments are distilleries that boil complex
blends of trauma, stress and emotion down to the essence
of immediacy: What needs to be done, right now, to fix the
problem. Working the past 20 years in such environments
has shown me with great clarity what is wrong (and right)
with our nation's medical system.
It's obvious to me that despite all the furor and rancor,
what is being debated in Washington currently is not
health-care reform. It's only health-care insurance reform. It
addresses the undeniably important issues of who is going
to pay and how, but completely misses the point of why.
Health care costs too much in our country because we deliver too much health care. We
deliver too much because we demand too much. And we demand it for all the wrong
reasons. We're turning into a nation of anxious wimps.
I still love my job; very few things are as emotionally rewarding as relieving true pain and
suffering, sharing compassionate care and actually saving lives. Illness and injury will
always require the best efforts our medical system can provide. But emergency
departments nationwide are being overwhelmed by the non-emergent, and doctors in
general are asked to treat what doesn't need treatment.
In a single night I had patients come in to our emergency department, most brought by
ambulance, for the following complaints: I smoked marijuana and got dizzy; I got stung by
a bee and it hurts; I got drunk and have a hangover; I sat out in the sun and got sunburn; I
ate Mexican food and threw up; I picked my nose and it bled, but now it stopped; I just had
sex and want to know if I'm pregnant.
Since all my colleagues and I have worked our shifts while suffering from worse symptoms
than these (well, not the marijuana, I hope), we have understandably lost some of our
natural empathy for such patients. When working with a cold, flu or headache, I often feel I
am like one of those cute little animal signs in amusement parks that say "you must be
taller than me to ride this ride" only mine should read "you must be sicker than me to come
to our emergency department." You'd be surprised how many patients wouldn't qualify.
At a time when we have an unprecedented obsession with health (Dr. Oz, "The Doctors,"
Oprah and a host of daytime talk shows make the smallest issues seem like apocalyptic
pandemics) we have substandard national wellness. This is largely because the media
focuses on the exotic and the sensational and ignores the mundane.
Our society has warped our perception of true risk. We are taught to fear vaccinations,
mold, shark attacks, airplanes and breast implants when we really should worry about
smoking, drug abuse, obesity, cars and basic hygiene. If you go by pharmaceutical
advertisement budgets, our most critical health needs are to have sex and fall asleep.
Somehow we have developed an expectation that our health should always be perfect, and
if it isn't, there should be a pill to fix it. With every ache and sniffle we run to the doctor or
purchase useless quackery such as the dietary supplement Airborne or homeopathic cures
(to the tune of tens of billions of dollars a year). We demand unnecessary diagnostic
testing, narcotics for bruises and sprains, antibiotics for our viruses (which do absolutely
no good). And due to time constraints on physicians, fear of lawsuits and the pressure to
keep patients satisfied, we usually get them.
Yet the great secret of medicine is that almost everything we see will get better (or worse)
no matter how we treat it. Usually better.
The human body is exquisitely talented at healing. If bodies didn't heal by themselves, we'd
be up the creek. Even in an intensive care unit, with our most advanced techniques applied,
all we're really doing is optimizing the conditions under which natural healing can occur.
We give oxygen and fluids in the right proportions, raise or lower the blood pressure as
needed and allow the natural healing mechanisms time to do their work. It's as if you could
put your car in the service garage, make sure you give it plenty of gas, oil and brake fluid
and that transmission should fix itself in no time.
The bottom line is that most conditions are self-limited. This doesn't mesh well with our
immediate-gratification, instant-action society. But usually that bronchitis or back ache or
poison ivy or stomach flu just needs time to get better. Take two aspirin and call me in the
morning wasn't your doctor being lazy in the middle of the night; it was sound medical
practice. As a wise pediatrician colleague of mine once told me, "Our best medicines are
Tincture of Time and Elixir of Neglect." Taking drugs for things that go away on their own is
rarely helpful and often harmful.
We've become a nation of hypochondriacs. Every sneeze is swine flu, every headache a
tumor. And at great expense, we deliver fantastically prompt, thorough and largely
unnecessary care.
There is tremendous financial pressure on physicians to keep patients happy. But unlike
business, in medicine the customer isn't always right. Sometimes a doctor needs to show
tough love and deny patients the quick fix.
A good physician needs to have the guts to stand up to people and tell them that their baby
gets ear infections because they smoke cigarettes. That it's time to admit they are
alcoholics. That they need to suck it up and deal with discomfort because narcotics will
just make everything worse. That what's really wrong with them is that they are just too
damned fat. Unfortunately, this type of advice rarely leads to high patient satisfaction
scores.
Modern medicine is a blessing which improves all our lives. But until we start educating the
general populace about what really affects health and what a doctor is capable (and more
importantly, incapable) of fixing, we will continue to waste a large portion of our health-care
dollar on treatments which just don't make any difference.
Dr. Thomas A. Doyle is a specialist in emergency medicine who practices in Sewickley
(tomdoy@aol.com). This is an excerpt from a book he is writing called "Suck It Up,
America: The Tough Choices Needed for Real Health-Care Reform."
Read more:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09284/10 ... z0Ug4SHeOn

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by randolph

I suggest you find a nice cute young California tranny and let her release your frustrations.
California is heaven on earth compared to the rest of the earth where its either too hot or too cold or too wet or too dry or the government is even more fucked up than California's.

Nice advice, there's just one problem.
Speaking as a resident, NOTHING is more fucked up than California's state government.
Seriously, it's about as incompetent as you can get.

Washington DC is an incredibly close choice -- it would seem to be the obvious choice -- but at least Washington can swerve left... right... left... right... constantly weaving in the middle of the road and SORT of have some forward momentum that eventually gets somewhere.

In comparison, California is like a blind person driving a car, with the wheel turned hard to the left. And as a result it just goes round and round in circles, and never goes anywhere and never gets anyplace.

You've heard the phrase "As California goes, so goes the rest of the nation?"
HEAVEN FORBID!!!!

[randolph]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Nice advice, there's just one problem.
Speaking as a resident, NOTHING is more fucked up than California's state government.
Seriously, it's about as incompetent as you can get.

Washington DC is an incredibly close choice -- it would seem to be the obvious choice -- but at least Washington can swerve left... right... left... right... constantly weaving in the middle of the road and SORT of have some forward momentum that eventually gets somewhere.

In comparison, California is like a blind person driving a car, with the wheel turned hard to the left. And as a result it just goes round and round in circles, and never goes anywhere and never gets anyplace.

You've heard the phrase "As California goes, so goes the rest of the nation?"
HEAVEN FORBID!!!!

No doubt Sacramento is fucked up. However, I much prefer to live here than anywhere in the Middle East. Canada or Australia might be good alternatives. At least in Canada they know how to control their banks and the Aussies like their beaches. Does anybody have a really good government? Er, how about Iceland?

[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by randolph

No doubt Sacramento is fucked up. However, I much prefer to live here than anywhere in the Middle East. Canada or Australia might be good alternatives. At least in Canada they know how to control their banks and the Aussies like their beaches. Does anybody have a really good government? Er, how about Iceland?

On the news - Iceland is in such a mess that McDonalds has pulled out

[ila]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

.....You've heard the phrase "As California goes, so goes the rest of the nation?"
HEAVEN FORBID!!!!

I'm sure I heard Hillary Clinton say the same thing last year during your presidential primaries, but it was Ohio (or another state in that area) and not California.

[randolph]

Here is part of the reason California is fucked up.
1-It has the most conservative Republicans of any state.
2-It has the most liberal Democrats of any state.
3-The State voting districts are totally screwed to favor incumbents.
4- The constitution allows voters to bypass Sacramento and vote in endless bond issues.
5- And so on.