Self Defense

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Tread

Thanks to all who answered me to get a better understanding. I hope I’m not too annoying.

Nope. You're not being annoying

Originally Posted by Tread

A shotgun (pump-action) and the shells are usually cheaper than handguns but it’s heavier and not so handy in buildings.

Compared to a pistol, yes. But a pistol still takes considerable training to hit a target accurately even at close range.

Originally Posted by Tread

They usually have less shells/bullets and a lower rate of fire (pump-action) than semi-automatic handguns.

True, but you forget that 1 shell of 000 buckshot contains 10 pellets roughly 9mm in diameter. That means 1 shell of 12 gauge 000 buck has the same capacity as 1 magazine of 9mm Parabellum. You will have more hits on target vs. rounds fired with a shotgun than a pistol.

Originally Posted by Tread

They are easier to use and have a better stopping power with one hit. If you have to shoot more than once the handgun is better. The spread of shot against the accurately of the handgun is not a big advantage at a room close rage. The penetration is lesser (limbs, walls).

If that were true, more troops would use a pistol for clearing rooms instead of a shotgun. In CQB, the shotgun is king. Pistols are generally used in areas where it is not practical to to have a larger weapon (i.e. concealed carry purposes, inside a vehicle etc) or is used as a way to fight your way to a more powerful weapon.

Handguns take considerable amount training to hit something accurately compared to a shotgun or rifle. Pistols have less stopping power unless you are comparing the ammo to birdshot which does not penetrate deep and has a large spread. The spread of the shot can be changed by the amount of choke the shotgun has; the tighter the choke, the tighter your spread will be. At longer distances even with the spread, more pellets of buck will hit a target vs. pistol rounds. If I remember correctly (which I don't) the spread after 20 ft. begins to open up 1 inch every 6ft-10ft depending on the load and choke.

If you are firing slugs from a shotgun, they will reach out and touch someone accurately at 100+ meters(Accuracy tapers off at around 125-150 meters.) which is alot greater than the pistols 25-50 meter range.

The penetration of the ammo depends on the loading. #4, #1, 0, 00, and 000 buckshot penetrates deeper than birdshot (hence why birdshot is used for hunting birds and buckshot is used for hunting deer.)

Originally Posted by Tread

So what is the reason not to use the gun you already have and use for self defence? If you let a shotgun out of the safe, you could also let your handgun at that place.

Again, it all depends on operator preference. Someone may not like the size of a shotgun and choose a pistol, another person may not hit accurately with a pistol but can hit better with a shotgun or a carbine. It all depends on what you are comfortable with. If you are comfortable with a pistol, get a pistol. If you are comfortable with a shotgun, get a shotgun and so on and so forth.

[Rachel]

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If you are firing slugs from a shotgun, they will reach out and touch someone accurately at 100+ meters(Accuracy tapers off at around 125-150 meters.) which is alot greater than the pistols 25-50 meter range.



Dont stick your head up at 200 yards with the newest sabot slug loads. 3 inch groups are possible with full rifled barreled slug guns like my Winchester 1300 12 Ga. shown here. 1800FPS loads generating over 3000 pounds feet of muzzle energy rival most high powered rifles. And you are starting out with a .50 to .74 caliber 437 grain bullet.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Rachel

Dont stick your head up at 200 yards with the newest sabot slug loads. 3 inch groups are possible with full rifled barreled slug guns like my Winchester 1300 12 Ga. shown here. 1800FPS loads generating over 3000 pounds feet of muzzle energy rival most high powered rifles. And you are starting out with a .50 to .74 caliber 437 grain bullet.

Ooooooooh! What ammo do you shoot? Is the barrel rifled or are the slugs rifled?

Have you ever shot the Auto 5?

[Rachel]

However for sheer intimidation factor Nothing beats TWO .74 caliber barrels!

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Rachel

However for sheer intimidation factor Nothing beats TWO .74 caliber barrels!

Ooooooooooh!

[Rachel]

I've tried several diferent brands of slugs through the gun. (Full rifled barrel). Hornady SSTs seem to group the tightest. I've gotten clover leafed 3 shot 1 inch groups at 100 yards. If my younger son is going to use it, I resight with Remington reduced recoil slugs (1300FPS). Depends on where they want to sit. If using one of my buckshot throwers I load with Winchester copper plated 00. I prefer the 3 inch shells for the extra 3 pellets and better grouping( all pellets on a paper plate at 50 yards ). I've shot my friends Browning auto 5 I dont really care for autos I have 2 870s the Win 1300 pump and the Spanish 12 Ga side by side. I hate over and unders.

[The Conquistador]

That's awesome! Isn't the SST loads the frangible stuff?

Does your side-by-side ever make you want to strap a chainsaw to your hand and fight demon hordes?

[Rachel]

SSTs are a saboted .50 cal slug The double barrel is very light and balanced. Double trigger can fire either barrel first so you can have a choice of a first shot load. 2 quick shots. If I'm hunting South Jersey it's much brushier I bring the short double. If the terrain is more open I opt for the slug gun.