Barack Obama

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

No, it would work. What we need is for the Gov. to stop meddling with private business. Medicare is another Gov. run crock-o-crap. Why did the drug plan not work? Since the "man" runs Medicare, it just went back to him. It was only done as a sort of publicity stunt to show that the Gov. is actually doing something regardless of who benefits from it to keep people from getting pissed off. All it was was a warm, fuzzy feeling that did nothing. There was no competition going on since it was all funneled through a Gov. program.

An institution that has been known to pocket your money for themselves and leave you with "lowest bidder" products (Government)

vs.

Multiple institutions that compete for your cash and put out superior products(private business)



The choice ain't that hard.

So we should just let the health insurence compties do what ever the want after all we can trust big bussiness right well that kind of thinking lead to the whole WALL STREET mess the choice ain't that hard strip the health insurence companies of there anti trust proctection then perhaps prices will come down as they will no longer be able to meet in private and decide how much to charge


Jerseygirl Jen

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by transjen

So we should just let the health insurence compties do what ever the want after all we can trust big bussiness right well that kind of thinking lead to the whole WALL STREET mess the choice ain't that hard strip the health insurence companies of there anti trust proctection then perhaps prices will come down as they will no longer be able to meet in private and decide how much to charge


Jerseygirl Jen

I'm not saying that businessess are squeaky clean, but given the choice, I'd pick the lesser of the two evils. People learn, Governments don't.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

I'm not saying that businessess are squeaky clean, but given the choice, I'd pick the lesser of the two evils. People learn, Governments don't.

And that is why there anti trust protection needs to be taken away and someone needs to watch over em to make sure they play fair to let them do what ever they want will leave us in the same mess we are in now, I find it hard to belive that any company that pays there CEO over a hundred million+ per year want to see any kind of reform and will do what's best for the suckers who have there policy. We are the only country who has a for profit healthcare system and the drug companies and health insurance don't want anything to change. Something needs to change good healthcare should not be reserverd for the rich but should be for everyone


Jerseygirl Jen

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by transjen

Something needs to change good healthcare should not be reserverd for the rich but should be for everyone

Read this: http://www.arthurshall.com/x_2007_healthcare.shtml

1) Healthcare is one of those things where it is a personal responsibility. While your body can regenerate, it is your responsibility to take care of it. I shouldn't have to have my money taken from me because some lardass doesn't have enough self control to stop eating Ho-Hos; if they want to self -induce diabetes, they can do it on their own dime. Same thing with people who are cavalier with their body. Your health is not my responsibility.

2) It is not an entitlement just for being popped out of someones crotch. If you don't work and contribute nothing, you deserve nothing. I shouldn't have to pay for some welfare bums medical treatments after he gets a nightstick shoved up his ass by the cop he tried to shoot. Society needs to reward those who are hardworking, successful and positive, not burden them with "guilt" because some loser is "less fortunate".

3) What I do with my money is my damn business, not the governments. Who the hell needs more red tape in their lives?

4) The ER is for EMERGENCIES ONLY! If you're a hypochondriac who worries about getting cancer from a paper cut, you need to see a shrink, not a surgeon. If you're a cheap bitch who can't shell out $3 for some Tylenol and wastes time getting it free from the ER, don't be surprised when I give you an even bigger headache with a tire iron.

5) Having the Gov. tell me that I need this is equivalent to telling me that I am a knucklewalking schmuck who is incapable of making coherent decisions myself, so I need a G-man to do it for me. I don't take kindly to being called an idiot, especially by lazy, self-serving bureaucrats.

6) Dr. Thomas Sowell: "If you have been voting for politicians who promise to give you goodies at someone else's expense, then you have no right to complain when they take your money and give it to someone else, including themselves."

[transjen]

So only the rich should be taken care of and screw the poor guy who maybe is stuck between jobs and no longer has any health ins just let him suffer with a broken arm or how about those who are stuck at a low paying job who can't afford to buy there own so i guess it to bad for them just let them die after all it's there own fault they are not rich and only the rich deserve top health care
Jerseygirl Jen

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by transjen

So only the rich should be taken care of and screw the poor guy who maybe is stuck between jobs and no longer has any health ins just let him suffer with a broken arm or how about those who are stuck at a low paying job who can't afford to buy there own so i guess it to bad for them just let them die after all it's there own fault they are not rich and only the rich deserve top health care
Jerseygirl Jen

It is obvious you did not read the link nor took the time to read my actual statements as you have just tried to counter an arguement with emotions.

[randolph]

Wall Street's Naked Swindle
A scheme to flood the market with counterfeit stocks helped kill Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers - and the feds have yet to bust the culprits

MATT TAIBBI

Posted Oct 14, 2009 9:30 AM

These are the last three paragraphs of a extremely important article in Rollingstones. Very scary!

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics..._swindle/print

The counterfeit nature of our economy is troubling enough, given that financial power is concentrated in the hands of a few key players - "300 white guys in Manhattan," as a former high-placed executive puts it. But over the course of the past year, that group of insiders has also proved itself brilliantly capable of enlisting the power of the state to help along the process of concentrating economic might - making it less and less likely that the financial markets will ever be policed, since the state is increasingly the captive of these interests.

The new president for whom we all had such high hopes went and hired Michael Froman, a Citigroup executive who accepted a $2.2 million bonus after he joined the White House, to serve on his economic transition team - at the same time the government was giving Citigroup a massive bailout. Then, after promising to curb the influence of lobbyists, Obama hired a former Goldman Sachs lobbyist, Mark Patterson, as chief of staff at the Treasury. He hired another Goldmanite, Gary Gensler, to police the commodities markets. He handed control of the Treasury and Federal Reserve over to Geithner and Bernanke, a pair of stooges who spent their whole careers being bellhops for New York bankers. And on the first anniversary of the collapse of Lehman Brothers, when he finally came to Wall Street to promote "serious financial reform," his plan proved to be so completely absent of balls that the share prices of the major banks soared at the news.

The nation's largest financial players are able to write the rules for own their businesses and brazenly steal billions under the noses of regulators, and nothing is done about it. A thing so fundamental to civilized society as the integrity of a stock, or a mortgage note, or even a U.S. Treasury bond, can no longer be protected, not even in a crisis, and a crime as vulgar and conspicuous as counterfeiting can take place on a systematic level for years without being stopped, even after it begins to affect the modern-day equivalents of the Rockefellers and the Carnegies. What 10 years ago was a cheap stock-fraud scheme for second-rate grifters in Brooklyn has become a major profit center for Wall Street. Our burglar class now rules the national economy. And no one is trying to stop them.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

It is obvious you did not read the link nor took the time to read my actual statements as you have just tried to counter an arguement with emotions.

I did read your post and i was responding to the first point you pointed out while i agree that it is your own responisibilty to take care of yourself but you don't seem to consider the mishaps of everyday life you can eat all the rite foods exercise everyday and still fall off a bike or go skiing and break a bone from the points you made it sounds like if you don't have your own health ins or a large bank account then it's to bad for you just suffer and die quickly, As for just walk in to an ER and get free care well guess what you get the bill by being charged a lot more since you have health ins so in fact you are paying for the unhealthy all ready so why not just pony up and give everyone decent healthcare which will help small bussness since they will no longer need to provide healthcare benfits and the GOP should love this it would end medicare and medicade as both will no longer be needed universel healthcare is what we need and end our backwards for profit healthcare system


Jerseygirl Jen