Pre-Op or Post Op?

[rancor169]

prefer non/pre-op but I like both

[Eziorssi]

I prefer preop because if i want a vagina i take a girl ....

[mancubraj]

Pre op for sure... love to fondle clitty cock while i fuck...

[transjen]

JEEZ you guys sure know how to make a girl feel welcome, Jennifer

[alice]

Originally Posted by transjen

JEEZ you guys sure know how to make a girl feel welcome, Jennifer

Jennifer I have the utmost respect for all Post-Op Trans-Ladies. They like yourself are now truly who they should have been at birth. I know the transition is a very long and stressful process, not to mention the final step with the SRS. That said I get very excited seeing a lady with a beautiful cock, uncut hopefully.&to you and all of the other Post-Ops.

[jcollinsfeet]

I prefer post op, I think the transformation into a woman is beautiful.

[xerocrush86]

post op ftw!

[Alana TG]

Originally Posted by transjen

JEEZ you guys sure know how to make a girl feel welcome, Jennifer

I guess I'm one of the few here that are attracted to non- pre- or post-op ladies.........so here's a

[delsolengel]

Definitely Preop, Hot body with a rock hard cock between their legs!!!!

[dw26]

I want one with a dick (one bigger than mine)

[The_Void]

Uh, is this even a question? Pre-op! If I want to look at shemales, I'd like a cock please, if I didn't I'd go look at biological girls.

[Leshko]

pre-op :D

[Ford]

preop, obviously, like most others I think women do woman better, tgirls offer something even better though. x] every sexual possibility available...

[tbone909]

Both for me,as long as were both into it it doesn't really matter.

[Ekarth]

ya man ofcourse pre-op because if it is post-op then i'll have to buy a strapon for her to get my ass banged and i tell you that plastic toy is no good replacement for a smooth and juicy shemale dick.

I've noticed that most transsexual women admirers (and I use that term loosely) prefer per-operative transsexual women. Though you all do know that almost all per-operative trans women are planing on having SRS but are unable to do so for one reason or another. They never liked the fact that they have (as I've come to find out a lot of girls refer to their penis as this) a "tumor" between there legs where a slit belongs.
And from my experience of the course of my own transition, most of the transsexual women that I've encountered (be it through support groups, online chat, or other social situations) are pre or post-op.
And further more, don't want to use their penis at all. And just like a lot of cisgendered women, some pre and post-op girls are exit only in reference to the back door. My best friend is one of these pre-op trans girls. She will get her surgery when she can afford it, and her back door is off limits.

Non-op is probably more in tune to what most of you are looking for. A girl that will not have a problem enjoying their penis in sexual situations.
Not to say that non-op girls don't wish that they would have been born as a cis female, but (like myself) they would rather not risk a botched surgery (very low percentage of occurrence, but the risk is there) when they can derive pleasure from what they already have.
And being someone who is also attracted to a non-op trans girl. I know we are very few and far between.

As for those of you that are using the term "ladyboy". That is a direct translation from the thai work "kathoey". So every time someone on here says they like ladyboys. I think of a thai girl.
And for "shemale". That's a term used almost exclusively to describe a non-op (or even pre-op) transsexual porn actress. A lot of these porn actresses cycle their hormones in order to either sustain an erection or so they can have ejaculate that is white (or even passably both). There are girls out there that are able to ejaculate without cycling their hormones, but in most cases that just seminal fluid, no semen there to turn it white. And there are even some (like myself) who have stopped ejaculating all together. That's not to say these girls are unable to obtain a orgasm (or multiple ), just that there is no proof of it as is the case with most cis women who don't ejaculate.
I know there are some girls that don't do any kind of porn that don't mind being called this term at all. But than there are a lot more who do (I'm one that minds).
Terms like "ladyboy", "shemale", "dick-girl", "slut", "whore", so on and so forth are objectifying. But if that's what you guys are looking for... I'm sure there are girls out there willing to be your sex slave. But know that the majority of women (cis and trans) don't like to be objectified. So if your looking to pursue a relationship. I'd advise against using these terms unless the girl has said it was ok.

Now for all the ungendering I've seen in this post. Though the mods have already notified everybody in this thread of it already. I just thought I'd clarify it for you all.
A transsexual woman is a real girl and a gg (genetic girl). There was a study (in Sweden I believe) in the early noughties (that's 2000 to 2009 for those that don't know) where a sample of pre and post transition transsexual women (meaning before and after hormone treatment) cadavers to see if their brain chemistry and make up were similar or not to cis female brains. The study showed that they were in fact identical.
So it's been proven that transsexual women are truly female brained. So saying that they are not true or real women is a false misconception.

Now if your looking for a more accurate and less offensive way of labeling people. Add transgendered and cisgendered to your vocabularies.
The meaning of the two;
Transgendered: is a general term applied to a variety of individuals, behaviors, and groups involving tendencies to vary from culturally conventional gender roles. So transsexuals, cross-dressers, drag queens and kings, transvestites, gender-queer, bi-gender, and even some intersex people fit into that category. For more in depth explanation see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender
Cisgendered: is an adjective used in the context of gender issues and counselling to refer to a class of gender identities formed by a match between an individual's gender identity and the behavior or role considered appropriate for one's sex. For more in depth explanation see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

Hope I've expanded the minds of at least a few people.

Originally Posted by timhaas

I'm sorry, but there is no option for "castrated" LBs in this poll. I think it needs to be!

I think castration is to broad of a word and is mainly referenced towards men (when the general public is concerned). Maybe we could refer to those girls as orchtified or orkie (Orchiectomy is the procedure of removing the testicles) trans girls. *shrug*
It's just that the word castration is such an ugly word in my opinion, and probably same for other girls.

Though I am curious of why you prefer a girl who has had their orkiectomy?

[maracujaca]

For some reason I always found vaginas unattractive and useless and men don't turn me on, so one day I hired a "shemale" and everything was as it should be.

I understand why most transexual girls or whatever they want to be called do not feel themselves as girls with dicks, but I do not understand why they feel that it is an insult that some of us want just that. A real girl with a real dick.

Originally Posted by maracujaca

For some reason I always found vaginas unattractive and useless and men don't turn me on, so one day I hired a "shemale" and everything was as it should be.

I understand why most transexual girls or whatever they want to be called do not feel themselves as girls with dicks, but I do not understand why they feel that it is an insult that some of us want just that. A real girl with a real dick.

Well it's not that we deny what we are or scorn (for the most part) those who are attracted to our kind.
It's just that the term "dick girl" is derogatory, and demeaning. It's as if you were to call a cis girl on the street a "skank", "ho", or "bitch".

The sad fact is that most who are attracted to transgendered people, get their attraction from porn (most cases). And that can lead to the person developing a "fetish" for trans, and want to act out what he or she sees from porn. And in a lot of cases, most girls don't want to be treated that way and do not enjoy it. I know because I am one of those girls who had (recently) had an experience with such a guy.
But it really shouldn't matter what's between our legs. Doesn't make us any less of a woman or a man (added man in there for the trans men ). I mean to call us "shemale", "dick girl", or "ladyboy" makes (most) of us think that all you care about is our bodies and not about us as a whole (with the exception of girls that call them selfs that).
I mean it's perfectly fine for you to have a preference, hell I share the same preference. But make sure to no offend the people that you are attracted to or you'll only have your fantasies, and no experiences (unless your willing to pay for it).
Because the most exposure any of us trans people out there get, is sadly porn and it's over exaggerated portrait of trans men and women. The average trans person is nothing like the ones you see in porn, except for perhaps body.

[curiousguy]

i want post op. nothing yummier than a load down my throat!!!

[Ana Mancini]

Personally I like Pre. if I want some pussy I will find a real girl.

[caminds]

No offence to anybody, but i don't see the value proposition in a post-op. Best just get a genetic/born woman for a fuck, no?

I think the essence of a pre-op is the cock and feminine features, let's not beat around the bush here.

Originally Posted by caminds

No offence to anybody, but i don't see the value proposition in a post-op. Best just get a genetic/born woman for a fuck, no?

I think the essence of a pre-op is the cock and feminine features, let's not beat around the bush here.

Of course, a woman with a little extra is adorable. But why would you consider that a post-op t-woman is less attractive than a gg? I think this is implicitly affirmed in your post. Why would you think something like that? If a woman is lovely with a penis, why wouldn?t she still be lovely without it? why wouldn?t she be every bit as lovely with a vagina? It?s the general attitude and charm of a person that makes what we call the beauty. Your post suggests a fixation on the cock in a woman, which would reveal much more of a fantasy than an opinion on reality ?at least I hope it would. If this is really your opinion, I find you should make the difference in language.
T-women are women. The beauty they possess as women and as persons remains the same whether they have a penis or a vagina. If, or when, you think otherwise, you show you situate yourself in the realm of fantasy and imaginative desire. Which is fine; there?s nothing wrong with that. But then again you have to make such a difference. There?s many transsexual women on this forum who go through the harsh daily reality of having to cope with a crushing amount of misunderstanding and criticism, and who?s everyday life is filled with intimate and social conflicts. You might want to take this into account.

[smc]

Originally Posted by caminds

No offence to anybody, but i don't see the value proposition in a post-op. Best just get a genetic/born woman for a fuck, no?

I think the essence of a pre-op is the cock and feminine features, let's not beat around the bush here.

I find this to be one of the most offensive posts on this site in a very long time. It is one thing to express the opinion that one prefers the vagina of a GG over a post-op transwoman for purely sexual reasons. It is another thing altogether to refer to there being a "value proposition" with respect to post-op transwomen.

The term "value proposition" is a business term, rarely used in any other context, that refers to a promise of value delivered, and a belief that such value will be experienced, by a customer or client obtaining a product or service. Using the term "value proposition" in the context of sex with a post-op transwoman is, in my opinion, one of the most abject instances of objectification I have seen on this site. And I've seen a lot.

Shameful!

If ever there was proof of a point I've made over and over -- that words and language matter -- this is it!

[Alana TG]

"Men in shining armor"....thank you Dan & SMC.

Originally Posted by danthepoetman

Of course, a woman with a little extra is adorable. But why would you consider that a post-op t-woman is less attractive than a gg? I think this is implicitly affirmed in your post. Why would you think something like that? If a woman is lovely with a penis, why wouldn?t she still be lovely without it? why wouldn?t she be every bit as lovely with a vagina? It?s the general attitude and charm of a person that makes what we call the beauty. Your post suggests a fixation on the cock in a woman, which would reveal much more of a fantasy than an opinion on reality ?at least I hope it would. If this is really your opinion, I find you should make the difference in language.
T-women are women. The beauty they possess as women and as persons remains the same whether they have a penis or a vagina. If, or when, you think otherwise, you show you situate yourself in the realm of fantasy and imaginative desire. Which is fine; there?s nothing wrong with that. But then again you have to make such a difference. There?s many transsexual women on this forum who go through the harsh daily reality of having to cope with a crushing amount of misunderstanding and criticism, and who?s everyday life is filled with intimate and social conflicts. You might want to take this into account.

Originally Posted by smc

I find this to be one of the most offensive posts on this site in a very long time. It is one thing to express the opinion that one prefers the vagina of a GG over a post-op transwoman for purely sexual reasons. It is another thing altogether to refer to there being a "value proposition" with respect to post-op transwomen.

The term "value proposition" is a business term, rarely used in any other context, that refers to a promise of value delivered, and a belief that such value will be experienced, by a customer or client obtaining a product or service. Using the term "value proposition" in the context of sex with a post-op transwoman is, in my opinion, one of the most abject instances of objectification I have seen on this site. And I've seen a lot.

Shameful!

If ever there was proof of a point I've made over and over -- that words and language matter -- this is it![/COLOR]

[TheExplorer]

I woul call a post-op shemale a female. A shemale is a human who has different senses, understanding, a lifestyle than men and has a body look like a woman with a cock.

Shemales are shemales definitely with cocks, if no cock, then they are some far away from being a shemale for me

[gasgase]

both are equally good...

[Supersharpshooter]

Pre op, post op, no op, it makes no difference to me, Id fuck a frog if it stopped hopping for long enough

[APACHE]

She has to be pre-op. I need a nice hard cock to play with.

[knewbi]

Pre-op for sure. It's that stiff cock that gets me going and if it is attached to a girl all the better... Have yet to try one but I will some day. had my fair share of great guys though.

[rebelfan1973]

All transgendered women are real women, first off, and second who ever fell in love with a penis or a vagina before they fell in love with the person it was attached to first.

[ready2fight]

I like both! Pre op are more attractive, because dick attached to girl body are unbelievable.
But post-op i like to fuck double hole and i like how it's look like)

[ready2fight]

One of my favourite post-ops

[Mark_L]

Definitely pre-op for me.