Castration: DISCUSSION

[meja]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

I agree with you completely - and just watch the opponents I get :-) In general I think this whole castration fetish thing is dangerous to even allow on a forum dealing with transsexuality.

It is one thing to agree with what ila actually wrote in his post, but it is another thing entirely to add your own comments and then claim you agree 100% I don't see anything in ila's post that comes close to saying this...

It's a fetish and no more than that. It has NOTHING to do with gender identification or SRS.

I also want to point out that according to your profile, you are not transgendered. So when you are making statements about trans-people focusing too much on their genitalia, as you did in another thread, you are not speaking from personal experience, that is just your opinion. The reality is you are on the outside looking in.... and besides that the glass is frosted. By frosted what I mean is that every person's experience is unique.

What is right and true for one person rarely holds true for others, even when those people are members of a similar group, such as transgendered people. Further more there are more transgendered people than you will ever meet, so you can't really even hope to come up with what holds true in most cases. That being the case it would be best if you let trans people speak for themselves. That isn't just about you either. I think very often other transgender people go too far that same regard.

I am transgendered and I don't speak for my niece who is transitioning and was formerly my nephew. Her experiences are entirely her own. Only she can know what is best for her, and how far she wants to transition. If she decides to have an orchiectomy, it certainly won't be my place to say whether or not her motivation is appropriate or just a fetish. The best advice I can give her is to take her time and be sure she really wants to make this permanent change. The best advice anyone can give to a transperson is to rush slowly. Beyond that it's best to just... well just don't go there.

For what it's worth, I am not at all concerned about your opinion or that fact that it conflicts with my own. What bothers me is how you state as an absolute fact.

Finally if you see this as an attack, I would say maybe you need be a little less defensive, but then that is just my opinion, and it is OK for us to have different opinions, as long as we own up to it.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by meja

It is one thing to agree with what ila actually wrote in his post, but it is another thing entirely to add your own comments and then claim you agree 100% I don't see anything in ila's post that comes close to saying this...



I also want to point out that according to your profile, you are not transgendered. So when you are making statements about trans-people focusing too much on their genitalia, as you did in another thread, you are not speaking from personal experience, that is just your opinion. The reality is you are on the outside looking in.... and besides that the glass is frosted. By frosted what I mean is that every person's experience is unique.

What is right and true for one person rarely holds true for others, even when those people are members of a similar group, such as transgendered people. Further more there are more transgendered people than you will ever meet, so you can't really even hope to come up with what holds true in most cases. That being the case it would be best if you let trans people speak for themselves. That isn't just about you either. I think very often other transgender people go too far that same regard.

I am transgendered and I don't speak for my niece who is transitioning and was formerly my nephew. Her experiences are entirely her own. Only she can know what is best for her, and how far she wants to transition. If she decides to have an orchiectomy, it certainly won't be my place to say whether or not her motivation is appropriate or just a fetish. The best advice I can give her is to take her time and be sure she really wants to make this permanent change. The best advice anyone can give to a transperson is to rush slowly. Beyond that it's best to just... well just don't go there.

For what it's worth, I am not at all concerned about your opinion or that fact that it conflicts with my own. What bothers me is how you state as an absolute fact.

Finally if you see this as an attack, I would say maybe you need be a little less defensive, but then that is just my opinion, and it is OK for us to have different opinions, as long as we own up to it.

Halleluja!

I find it more and more intriguing how even socalled trans*women (without a "frosted glass view", I presume) seem to succumb to the porn and fetish aspect of all this.

I base my opinions on my quite empirical reality among transsexual women, and so be it...

This castration discussion is a horrid joke among people who has very little knowledge of the things that actually go on out there.

Well, I'm certain that you personally are considerably better informed than the rest of us (at least better informed than me, because you have the auto-qualification given to you by merely claiming your transsexuality), but even so, I cannot take you considerably seriously.

In spite of your vernacular! And in spite of the fact that you really wanna speak for the good cause.

Well, as you stated, you care little about my opinion, so why bother at all.

But the fact remains, still, that girls do things for their guys - even when they shouldn't.

H

[meja]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

Halleluja!

I find it more and more intriguing how even socalled trans*women (without a "frosted glass view", I presume) seem to succumb to the porn and fetish aspect of all this. H

Well I don't know what "socalled trans*women" you are talking about, but I'm pretty transsexuals were getting orchiectomys before the porn industry discovered their marketability in the sex trade.

I base my opinions on my quite empirical reality among transsexual women, and so be it...

Thank you for stating that as an opinion rather than a fact. It a nice change.

This castration discussion is a horrid joke among people who has very little knowledge of the things that actually go on out there.

Some people are making a joke of it, but others are trying to have a discussion about it.

Well, I'm certain that you personally are considerably better informed than the rest of us (at least better informed than me, because you have the auto-qualification given to you by merely claiming your transsexuality), but even so, I cannot take you considerably seriously.

I'm not the one playing expert here. I am not claiming that castration is right or wrong. I'm saying that it is a personal choice, and one that should be made very carefully. By the way that would kind of preclude doing it to sate a fetish.

Now of course, that is just my opinion, but it is one that is easily supportable and logically defendable, AND MORE OVER doesn't require me to be qualified as anything transgender or otherwise, since I am NOT attempting to speak for or about anyone else's experience. So go ahead say what you want about me, but it doesn't do anything to advance your cause.

In spite of your vernacular! And in spite of the fact that you really wanna speak for the good cause.

That's so interesting, because it seems to me that you are SELF APOINTED spokesperson on a crusade to close this thread on behalf of all TG people. I contrast that with my position where I say this is a personal choice people have the right to make about their bodies. The closest I get to speaking for a cause its to caution people that it's a permanent change, so they need to be sure they are doing the right thing.

Well, as you stated, you care little about my opinion, so why bother at all.

But I am just so happy you are finally owing your opinion rather trying to present yourself as the authority on the subject.

But the fact remains, still, that girls do things for their guys - even when they shouldn't.

This is also true of Natal women. Boob jobs anyone? I don't advocate that anyone should ever do any body modification to suit their partner's fetishistic appetite, but it is going to happen none the less. Closing this thread would not change that. It is far better to have the discussion and warn people to be wary of others who would manipulate them in such a way.

[Cocks with beauty]

I find the whole idea of Castration as a sexual-turn-on for the Voyeur ( which is what we all are at some time or another ) very unsettling and unsavoury. Perhaps I am being over-sensitive. I think that the Process should be part of one person's journey through into the Transgender zone towards becomin ' Third Sex ' so to speak. While it is one thing to discuss the clinical aspects and effects of Castration, it is quite another to gloat and lust over it. Sorry timhaas I think you are expressing your feelings in the wrong forum here. Let's support and empathize with those of us brave ( or desperate ) enough to undergo Transition and learn from them.

[timhaas]

Originally Posted by Cocks with beauty

Sorry timhaas I think you are expressing your feelings in the wrong forum here. Let's support and empathize with those of us brave ( or desperate ) enough to undergo Transition and learn from them.

Well, it might be so. But I'm really a great fan of castrated shemales, and this forum, as well this thread, did suited my expectations pretty good up to a point. I can say only one thing - we're all fetishists in one way or another, some guys love the girls with hair up to their waist, some - with a shot haircut. Someone loves gays, someone - shemales. So here I am as well. I love the shemales (or better yet, ladyboys!) without balls! And again, I can just repeat, that it doesn't mean I am intended to "incline" anyone to do the operation. (Or even more "coerce" - that's not my "modus operandi" after all). It means I just love it and I would love to offer it to a LB, who wants to do it herself. That's it!

P.S. If you can, please post (or PM me) a link to the source we could "support and empathize"!

[Mandy]

Originally Posted by meja

Well I don't know what "socalled trans*women" you are talking about, but I'm pretty transsexuals were getting orchiectomys before the porn industry discovered their marketability in the sex trade.

I had my orchiectomy before I ever even thought about doing porn, it was just what I needed to do for myself.

The fact of the matter is that being a castrated TS in the adult film industry is considered a huge negative. Having balls and being able to cum is what mostly satisfies fetishists, at least that is what major production companies believe. To many in the porn industry a TS is only worth as much as she can cum, and I've had to work my ass off to overcome this. So I find it kind of ironic to hear people talking about the porn industry causing TS to get orchiectomies when the truth is quite the opposite. The adult industry encourages girls to get tons of cosmetic surgery and stay off of hormones, which I find to be much more insidious and damaging to a girls mental and physical health.

That is one of the reason why I appreciate fans who like girls with no balls so much. Because each and everyone is saying that TS are more important than how much cum they spurt and that ultimately shows (in my mind) a great deal of respect towards us as women and not just fetish objects.

[meja]

Originally Posted by Mandy

I had my orchiectomy before I ever even thought about doing porn, it was just what I needed to do for myself.

The fact of the matter is that being a castrated TS in the adult film industry is considered a huge negative. Having balls and being able to cum is what mostly satisfies fetishists, at least that is what major production companies believe. To many in the porn industry a TS is only worth as much as she can cum, and I've had to work my ass off to overcome this. So I find it kind of ironic to hear people talking about the porn industry causing TS to get orchiectomies when the truth is quite the opposite. The adult industry encourages girls to get tons of cosmetic surgery and stay off of hormones, which I find to be much more insidious and damaging to a girls mental and physical health.

That is one of the reason why I appreciate fans who like girls with no balls so much. Because each and everyone is saying that TS are more important than how much cum they spurt and that ultimately shows (in my mind) a great deal of respect towards us as women and not just fetish objects.

Thank you Mandy,

Those are all very excellent points, none of which had ever occurred to me. I hope that others might also take your observations into account before attempting to deliver a universal proclamation about castration.

meja

[suebone]

Originally Posted by meja

Thank you Mandy,

Those are all very excellent points, none of which had ever occurred to me. I hope that others might also take your observations into account before attempting to deliver a universal proclamation about castration.

meja

my castration was not my choice,due to a jealous ex ts (friend.)
someday all will be good.::

[meja]

Originally Posted by suebone

my castration was not my choice,due to a jealous ex ts (friend.)
someday all will be good.::

I sure hope so. No one deserves to be harmed like that.

[timhaas]

Originally Posted by Mandy

I had my orchiectomy before I ever even thought about doing porn, it was just what I needed to do for myself.

That is one of the reason why I appreciate fans who like girls with no balls so much. Because each and everyone is saying that TS are more important than how much cum they spurt and that ultimately shows (in my mind) a great deal of respect towards us as women and not just fetish objects.

Dearest Mandy, you're right as always! I am definitely among those appriciating fans! For me, a real desirable and pretty shemale or ladyboy must be without any balls! Cum producing and all that stuff needs to belong to a man, not a shemale, that's my personal opinion. I can even say that there are some shemales' pictures I wouldn't ever been thinking of collecting unless they were all castrated! For instance - Natassia Dreams. She's cool, she's got a Hollywood smile and I know there're lots of her fans around, but for me she's too big and masculine, sorry. No offence intended, actually, but I started collecting her pics just because she has no balls, that was the only reason I ever kept my attention on her! If not her castration, she'd have no point of interest for me at all. And she's not a single example in my case.
So I do appreciate your being castrated, I just love it! I also admire your braveness at your "adam's apple" removal as well! I think those smart, feminine and pretty ladyboys like u make all this TS stuff much more interesting and even breathtaking for wannabies as well as for us, your fans.
Take care, honey, and I wish you everything you want yourself to come true. You obviously deserve it!

P.S. I'm sorry but the forum's rules don't allow me to add to your rep, Mandy, so I just say it - thank you so much!