A Glossary of Terms

[k.sucks.you]

You are you. I am me. You tell me about you...

However, let's make a list...

"T-Girl"
"Trap"
"Femboy"
"Trans"/"Tranny"
"Dick Girl"
"Futa"/"Futanari"
others...

Are there some fine distinctions? Care to take a stab at defining these...?

-K

[smc]

Originally Posted by k.sucks.you

You are you. I am me. You tell me about you...

However, let's make a list...

"T-Girl"
"Trap"
"Femboy"
"Trans"/"Tranny"
"Dick Girl"
"Futa"/"Futanari"
others...

Are there some fine distinctions? Care to take a stab at defining these...?

-K

Wow, most people prefer to forget nightmares, but you want to give one to everyone!

[franalexes]

I've caused more erotic dreams than nightmares.

[k.sucks.you]

I don't mean to offend anyone. I see these terms bandied about and simply want clear definitions, if they exist.

For example, what's the difference between a "shemale" and a "femboy"? I'll guess that they're both M2F, only the how one self-identifies. One being female, the other male.

Some of those terms are certainly derogatory, but maybe can be used casually among friends.

-K

[smc]

Originally Posted by k.sucks.you

I don't mean to offend anyone. I see these terms bandied about and simply want clear definitions, if they exist.

For example, what's the difference between a "shemale" and a "femboy"? I'll guess that they're both M2F, only the how one self-identifies. One being female, the other male.

Some of those terms are certainly derogatory, but maybe can be used casually among friends.

-K

Two things I can say with absolute certainty.

1. There are no "clear definitions" of such terms, if by clear you mean universally accepted. Simply look at the "femboys" thread and check out the discussion about what that term means, and you will realize the near impossibility of developing clear definitions.

2. Related to the first, because these are terms of identity and self-identity, there is no way to avoid offense in some, or many, cases.

[Mel Asher]

Originally Posted by smc

Two things I can say with absolute certainty.

1. There are no "clear definitions" of such terms, if by clear you mean universally accepted. Simply look at the "femboys" thread and check out the discussion about what that term means, and you will realize the near impossibility of developing clear definitions.

2. Related to the first, because these are terms of identity and self-identity, there is no way to avoid offense in some, or many, cases.

I fully agree, especially smc's second point. It is easy to give offence without meaning to, although you cannot make allowances for individuals who are unduly oversensitive.

What I cannot understand, though is why the questioner has made no attempt at all to do his own research - in Wikipedia, for example, and expects to get clear definitions from other forum members who may well have strong views on such terminology.

Not a good subject for a new thread I feel, when so many views have already been expressed by many members, all of which can be accessed with a little searching.

Sorry but go !

[jolo]

Okay, I am confused to some of the terms of description, can you please help with answers on descriptions and differences of these terms:

• Ladyboy
  
• Shemale
  
• Tranny or Transexual
  
• Female
  
• Other of the misc shortcut descriptions

Thanks,

Jon

[JodieTs]

You ever heard of google or wiki?

• Ladyboy Term for transsexual from asia
• Shemale Initially a derogatory term to describe a transsexual, which first appeared in the controversial book, The Transsexual Empire: The Making of the She-Male by Janice Raymond. Since then it has been adopted wholesale to describe trans who work in adult entertainment, from porn to escorting.
• Tranny Generic term for anyone who is trans variance---They identify and/or present differently from their birth sex part or all the time
  or
• Transexual transsexual {spelt with two "SS"}
  In the case of male to female, they identify as female.
  They still have or used to have male genitalia.
  Often/usually use female hormones {oestrogen} and hormones to suppress testosterone production.
  Additionally, often surgical mods such as:
  Breast augmentation
  Face feminisation surgery FFS
  Tracheal shave
  Fat implants to various part of their body
  Voice coaching and/or surgery to alter voice
• Female 50% of the world population ---you knew that one, yes?
• Other of the misc shortcut descriptions---you post 'em, we'll answer

[jolo]

Originally Posted by JodieTs

You ever heard of google or wiki?

• Ladyboy Term for transsexual from asia
• Shemale Initially a derogatory term to describe a transsexual, which first appeared in the controversial book, The Transsexual Empire: The Making of the She-Male by Janice Raymond. Since then it has been adopted wholesale to describe trans who work in adult entertainment, from porn to escorting.
• Tranny Generic term for anyone who is trans variance---They identify and/or present differently from their birth sex part or all the time
  or
• Transexual transsexual {spelt with two "SS"}
  In the case of male to female, they identify as female.
  They still have or used to have male genitalia.
  Often/usually use female hormones {oestrogen} and hormones to suppress testosterone production.
  Additionally, often surgical mods such as:
  Breast augmentation
  Face feminism surgery FFS
  Tracheal shave
  Fat implants to various part of their body
  Voice coaching and/or surgery to alter voice
• Female 50% of the world population ---you knew that one, yes?
• Other of the misc shortcut descriptions---you post 'em, we'll answer

Thank you for your time to post this. Would I be correct in assuming that the terminology is not static and keeps changing and being added on to ?

I did read somewhere on some blog or site, where there was a post by a TS, who felt offended by the term shemale. I understand and respect that, however when searching I noticed it is used a lot on commercial sites and blogs use Shemale.

Very unfortunately for, I have had NO experience with any of the terms. I would love to find a Transsexual, to love, pamper and caress, as described in the Transsexual definition, with male genitalia here in Colorado. I don't think I can make it to Brazil or Thailand.

I had no idea that Ladyboy was about Asians.

Oh yes, male that term Futanari. Sometimes I see a cartoon type of photo and some real Asian photos and they are beautiful.

Am I correct in thinking that the TS's are getting more and more stunning?

Thanks,

Jon

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by jolo

Thank you for your time to post this. Would I be correct in assuming that the terminology is not static and keeps changing and being added on to ?

Yes, language is a living thing and words and meaning change over time and location.

Originally Posted by jolo

I did read somewhere on some blog or site, where there was a post by a TS, who felt offended by the term shemale. I understand and respect that, however when searching I noticed it is used a lot on commercial sites and blogs use Shemale.

That's part of the point - it is largely used connected to porn. As a large portion of the trans woman population has no direct relationship to the sex industry, using a term that is so directly associated with porn is insulting. It also has a very negative past, as it's first use to describe trans women, was in a book by Dr Janice Raymond who's position was to "Morally mandate transsexuality out of existence". Jan was used to get the US government to stop covering trans-related health care among other directly harmful things to trans women.

[jolo]

Dear beautiful Bionca,

Thanks so much for your reply.

I wanted to understand some of the terminology better.
When using a term that categorizes a group of people, I think it is important to understand there the terms came from and what they mean.

There are times, people might use some horrific terms to categorize others that create ignorance, misconceptions and prejudice. (Karl Rove has done this for a living since he was hired by Nixon, many years back

I want it to be understood that this mean "political correctness", which is about taking the meaning out of terms so that the terms become totally meaningless (changing the term "department" to "team" in offices).

Thanks,

Jon

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by jolo

Thank you for your time to post this. Would I be correct in assuming that the terminology is not static and keeps changing and being added on to ?

I did read somewhere on some blog or site, where there was a post by a TS, who felt offended by the term shemale. I understand and respect that, however when searching I noticed it is used a lot on commercial sites and blogs use Shemale.

Very unfortunately for, I have had NO experience with any of the terms. I would love to find a Transsexual, to love, pamper and caress, as described in the Transsexual definition, with male genitalia here in Colorado. I don't think I can make it to Brazil or Thailand.

I had no idea that Ladyboy was about Asians.

Oh yes, male that term Futanari. Sometimes I see a cartoon type of photo and some real Asian photos and they are beautiful.

Am I correct in thinking that the TS's are getting more and more stunning?

Yes the terms do seem to be fluid.
And offend/are non-offensive depending on the person!
{remember all transsexual people are both mentally unstable and contrary to both other transsexual people and cis-gendered people}

I personally loath "Shemale" as it sexualises us and at the same time suggests we are less than female. At the same time, I also call myself a shemale at work....I work in adult entertainment.

Like Bionca "Tranny" does not bother me at all.
Though most transsexual people again loath it because in their opinion
it identify's to them as part of the genera of Cross dressers, Transvestites and 'Hairy panty wearers'
...which of course we actually are!
Many ts's get pissed at me when I call myself a tranny because I've gone a long way with all this from hormones, life, surgery's ....often a lot further than many of them.
The inference being that if I identify as a tranny, then by implication, that makes them Very-tranny!
Which as you will realise is the reason I do it in the first place!

[extramaritalm]

Originally Posted by JodieTs

Yes the terms do seem to be fluid.
And offend/are non-offensive depending on the person!
{remember all transsexual people are both mentally unstable and contrary to both other transsexual people and cis-gendered people}

I personally loath "Shemale" as it sexualises us and at the same time suggests we are less than female. At the same time, I also call myself a shemale at work....I work in adult entertainment.

Like Bionca "Tranny" does not bother me at all.
Though most transsexual people again loath it because in their opinion
it identify's to them as part of the genera of Cross dressers, Transvestites and 'Hairy panty wearers'
...which of course we actually are!
Many ts's get pissed at me when I call myself a tranny because I've gone a long way with all this from hormones, life, surgery's ....often a lot further than many of them.
The inference being that if I identify as a tranny, then by implication, that makes them Very-tranny!
Which as you will realise is the reason I do it in the first place!

I think ANY term that we as people may use is solely dependent on context, tone of voice, etc. For example, amongst a group of friends, I may say "fuck you" to another when I'm being teased in good fun; now of course I'd never say that to someone I just met even if we were having a fun chat! To quote a movie line,"All men are bastards and they all know each other!", I often enjoy announcing that I actually know the other "bastard" when in fact I really don't! And of course i'd never go up to a complete stranger and call him a bastard! If I were to ever give any advice on this matter of labeling, I would only be able to keep it simple and just say be nice, treat others like you'd want to be treated!

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by JodieTs

I personally loath "Shemale" as it sexualises us and at the same time suggests we are less than female. At the same time, I also call myself a shemale at work....I work in adult entertainment.

It's funny to me, I have yet to meet a trans woman in the sex industry who *likes* shemale (I'm sure there are, I just haven't met any) or feels like that word represents them or their identity. Most people I have met who embrace the word come across as leaning more toward a fetish relationship to feminizing their bodies.

Originally Posted by JodieTs

Like Bionca "Tranny" does not bother me at all.
Though most transsexual people again loath it because in their opinion
it identify's to them as part of the genera of Cross dressers, Transvestites and 'Hairy panty wearers'
...which of course we actually are!

I don't think this is exactly true from what I've seen. At least among the women I know, there isn't much issue with trans women who call themselves/ each other "tranny". It's when non-trans people throw it around, since it's mostly used as a joke or to ridicule how a woman looks (she's so ugly she looks like a tranny). So, for non-trans folks using the word, it has a really loaded recent history - as words change, sometimes their meaning become more negative than positive.

[smc]

Originally Posted by jolo

Okay, I am confused to some of the terms of description, can you please help with answers on descriptions and differences of these terms:

• Ladyboy
• Shemale
• Tranny or Transexual
• Female
• Other of the misc shortcut descriptions

I STRONGLY encourage you to go back to the beginning of this thread and read the exchange on the issue of even attempting to define terms such as these, in the context of people's self-identities.

[randolph]

As far as transsexuals are concerned. We should ask them what they like and don't like.
The last thing I want to do is offend any of the transsexuals that participate here.
Bionca says she doesn't mind the term tranny but it depends on the context.

How about the rest of you?

[sosed]

I have a question of meanings of some terms/words. I know who is crossdresser and I know who is MtF Tgirl, but I'm not sure about the meaning of travestite and transvestite. Are those two terms, which describe the same or is a difference in meaning? Are they describing a person who is crossdresser or a person, who is transgender? Are those two words proper to use or are bad terms?

[smc]

Originally Posted by sosed

I have a question of meanings of some terms/words. I know who is crossdresser and I know who is MtF Tgirl, but I'm not sure about the meaning of travestite and transvestite. Are those two terms, which describe the same or is a difference in meaning? Are they describing a person who is crossdresser or a person, who is transgender? Are those two words proper to use or are bad terms?

I have just merged your post into this thread from the new thread you began. I encourage you to read the earlier posts.

Please clarify "travestite" and "transvestite". It looks to me like a typographic error on your part. Do you mean TRAVESTI? This is a common term in Italian that encompasses all transgender categories.

[Bionca]

Transvestite is a word that's more complicated in that it doesn't have a really shared meaning. Literally it means "cross dress" and in some places that's exactly who it describes - cross dressers. In other places, like commonly in the US, it is used more for people who get a sexual thrill about dressing like and being perceived as members of the opposite sex.

This is in counter point to Cross Dressers who often describe a feeling of having a "female side" that needs expressed (that may or many not include sex while dressed). The point of Cross Dressing is to give expression to a part of their identity that they feel is repressed in daily life.

Please Note: These are simply what I have gleamed from discussions with and reading the words of self-identified CDs and TVs. I could be way off base, and if so, welcome correction. As I said, the distinctions, if any, will be regional and can sometimes be muddy.

[sosed]

In our environment both words travestite and transvestite are used and actually they don't have the same meaning, as one word more describe a person who feel opposite sex and other more acting opposite sex, more as art. I'm not sure which word describe what and if they are just constructs or actual words used in wider area and if their meaning is correct.

[Be_my_nude]

Hm ! Not so taken now with the term GG after Bionca's observations, although I have had occasion to use it when referring to myself.

Perhaps BGs would be better, although I am not all that talented on the music side. ( BG - born a girl - in case you wondered !

I think Randolph's post ( no. 16 ) was short and very much to the real point.

The sceptic in me does wonder a little though whether this thread was somewhat contrived, ( no offence meant by this observation ) insofar that we have already had so much in depth discussion round this.