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Anyone believe in UFO.s? Anyone had a sighting, or perhaps an encounter?
Or maybe you think its complete bullshit....

Now I have seen a few strange things in the sky, so I would say I have seen a few UFOs. Now whether they were aliens I have no idea. My guess is we have and are being visited, but they may be probes or something like we send out. Wouldn't suprise me.
We're searching for planets hospitable to life, so maybe others are too. Maybe our planet is even a nursery of sorts. ( insects are very alien! and jellyfish??!they're wierd! ) Maybe ants originally were aliens and have been living here sucessfully for millions of years! :D
One thing I don't like is that they have become big business to some degree. You see tons of books, movies, websites, pseudo documentaries, symposiums, etc., not to mention tourism in places like Roswell and Marfa, TX.
It obscures the facts, if indeed there are any.

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UFO'S maybe after all we are not the only intellengce in the universe but the JERSEY DEVIL is total BS Jennifer
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All UFOs are is a flying object that can't be identified.
That being said, I can't really say if these sightings are real. I mean, I didn't believe that ghost could exist until I saw one (or rather several). There probably is intelligent life out there some where, otherwise it would be an empty universe.

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All UFOs are is a flying object that can't be identified.
That being said, I can't really say if these sightings are real. I mean, I didn't believe that ghost could exist until I saw one (or rather several). There probably is intelligent life out there some where, otherwise it would be an empty universe.
I agree wholeheartedly.
And your ghost story sounds very intriguing. Do tell. (or should we start a "ghost stories: thread?!)
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I agree wholeheartedly.
And your ghost story sounds very intriguing. Do tell. (or should we start a "ghost stories: thread?!)
I've had experiences for most of my life (many of these could be explained away). One weekend I went camping with some guys I know (no sex, just camping). We were camped near an old cemetry. Saturday, the topic of ghosts came up. I told them that I didn't believe ghosts could possibly be real. One guy told me, "You will by the end of the night." He had camped there before.
It was about 10:30 or 11:00 PM, myself and two others were just walking around talking. When we began to notice shadows in the cemetry where there shouldn't have been any. We just kinda blew it off and continued talking and walking around. Then, when we got close to our camp site again, about an hour and a half later, we saw these shadows moving around! These shadows weren't being cast by trees or the moon or anything like that, and besides there wasn't any wind blowing. These shadows were just moving around on their own! We crept back up to our bedrolls and got under our covers. Even though it was August, I pulled my blanket over my head, so I wouldn't have to watch the shadows, (Out of sight, out of mind:D.) and I closed my eyes tightly shut.
The next day we told some of the guys that had camped there before what we saw. They've all had simular experiences there. The one guy said, "I said you would believe, didn't I?" Another said, "Now you know why we went to sleep soo early."
Since then I keep an open mind when I hear someone else talk about their ghost encounters.
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Anyone believe in UFO.s? Anyone had a sighting, or perhaps an encounter?
Or maybe you think its complete bullshit....
Complete bullshit.

Although I have seen some very odd lights over Brownsville TX many years ago. It was a illuminated line moving very fast and erratically in the sky. It's a huge leap to go from odd lights in the sky to ALIENS though. I mean, it's not as if we have no way of putting lights in the sky ourselves.

Then, on the scientific side, we've only been producing radio waves that would catch another civilization's attention for the last 60-70 years. So only civilizations within 60-70 light years would even know there's intelligent life here. We've already looked at stars within that distance and none of them are broadcasting anything. I do think there is intelligent life out there though... somewhere. I just don't think they have been here.

Other scientific points... It takes an enormous amount of energy to travel near the speed of light. And because of relativity, the space travelers would return to their planet 10s of thousands, maybe even millions of years in their future. What would it be worth to that civilization to send a crew to investigate our planet if they would not reap any benefits from that mission for thousands to millions of years later?

And I know the old argument... just because we haven't found a way to go faster than the speed of light doesn't mean an advanced civilization can't figure it out. I'm a physicist though, and the speed of light is most definitely the speed limit. We have witnessed some of the most energetic events in the universe... galaxies colliding, supernova, gamma ray bursts from the edge of the universe that put out as much energy as a million suns would in their entire life every second. Nothing has been seen to break the speed of light.
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Maybe, maybe not. As we all know, Einstein's theories are starting to show a few cracks, and what about inter-dimensional travel, worm holes, etc.? You know at one time, a fast horse was considered the maximum speed attainable.
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Maybe, maybe not. As we all know, Einstein's theories are starting to show a few cracks, and what about inter-dimensional travel, worm holes, etc.? You know at one time, a fast horse was considered the maximum speed attainable.
A fast horse may have been thought of as the fastest people could travel on, but we knew of speed limits that were faster. This isn't like breaking the sound barrier, which was an engineering problem. The speed of light is a physical limit. If you go faster your mass will be imaginary (as in square root of negative one kind of imaginary). It's just not mathematically possible.

Yes, they could use a worm hole which would theoretically completely bypass space between here and there. But there aren't any wormholes that open up around here. It would look like either a black hole (detectable) or a theoretical white hole (very detectable). One could be constructed, but they would have to either construct one, and bring one end here (again at a speed not greater than light) or come here (again at a speed not greater than light) and somehow cause one end to open up here.

If the cracks you're talking about in general relativity are about it being incompatible with quantum mechanics, that comes into play at subatomic distances or around the time of the big bang. If there's other cracks you know of I'd be interested to know about it.
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The shortest path between 2 points is a straight line. Traveling via other dimensions would be further.

Besides, there are 3 spatial dimensions, 1 time dimension, and probably quite a few smaller dimensions. The smaller ones are on the order of 10^-35 meters long or smaller. Good for making forces, but useless for travel. If they were large enough to travel along we would see them, and they would also play a major role in physics and we would know about them.

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Maybe, maybe not. As we all know, Einstein's theories are starting to show a few cracks, and what about inter-dimensional travel, worm holes, etc.? You know at one time, a fast horse was considered the maximum speed attainable.
oh really? how do u figure? call me ignorant, but last time i checked a theory was a hypothesis that has been PROVEN accurate by multiple scientists. Thats like saying that 1+1 does not always equal 2... just doesnt work like that. I'm just assuming that you were refering to his theory of relativity.

oh and btw, in this time you speak of- where a fast horse was considered to be the maximum speed attainable- that was the maximum speed they could attain with their technology(or lack of). So are u insinuating that one may be able to travel faster than the speed of light, in the future? haha, do u some research.

worm-holes, black holes, and inter dimensional travel; Einstein believed in those, and have been proven to be very real. Maybe you should look into Quatum Mechanics a bit become making outlandish claims like that.
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:D I think we're mostly talking in generalities and possibilities.
Is there a unified field theory yet? Seems like there were and are a few things that Einstein. Hawkings and others have yet to explain or prove, so maybe the door is open to things you or others haven't thought about or developed yet.
(a hypothesis has been proven, but does that mean it can't be further developed or interpreted, or new aspects of it discovered? )
To me, its an exciting time, and we are on the threshold of many new discoveries. String theory, quantum mechanics, biogenetics, just to name a few...
Also, if interdimensional travel is possible, wouldn't that negate the need to travel faster than light?
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All I am is saying is that to state something like FTL travel is impossible is simply silly. All we know for certain is that we can't do it now at this point in time. We do not know what is possible in the future. History is full of respected scientists stating that so and so is not possible, an lo and behold, not so many years later, they had egg on their face. 200 years ago, who would have imagined that someday a person would be able to have a conversation with someone on the other side of the planet or for that matter, on the moon. So what I am saying is;

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All I am is saying is that to state something like FTL travel is impossible is simply silly.
Why would you say it's simply silly? I mean, it's not as if there aren't some pretty damn convincing equations saying it's impossible. It's not as if there haven't been extremely accurate experiments testing this claim. It's not as if there haven't been some extremely energetic events like gamma ray bursts, black holes and supernovas that all are limited by the speed of light.

You might say that scientists in the past have been proven wrong, but then you'd be ignoring the enormous progress we've made over the past 100 years. An analogy would be like suggesting that there could still be cheese on the moon since scientists 100 years ago have had theories about the moon that have been proven wrong. Yes we've been to the moon now and haven't seen any cheese, but we've only been 6 times. Who's to say we know all there is to know about the moon? Who's to say there isn't cheese there that we don't know about? To say with certainty that there isn't any cheese there is just silly.
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"UFO" is a major misnomer. Not all "UFOs" are "objects" and not all are "flying" (e.g. light diffraction, vapour trails, electrical activity and other phenomena). To leap to the conclusion that such things are proof of little green men is an even bigger fallacy -- so big I won't even deal with it.

Of course, doubting the efficacy/veracity of "UFO" sightings being proof of alien existence is different to doubting the existence of aliens full stop. To put it mildly, the universe is a formidably vast place; vast in space and vast in time.

Something to chew on: in "Cosmos", Carl Sagan conservatively estimated that there are perhaps 10^22 planets in the universe (ten billion trillion). That was thirty years ago; due to more recent sky mapping and other discoveries, that number can be revised upwards, today.

We also know that there are organic compounds throughout the cosmos. The chances of life arising just once, on one planet, in one obscure region of the universe, seems, well, remote. But we still don't know. We've created organic compounds in the lab, but we have never seen them begin to self-organize and replicate -- the critical process for life. If and when we discover this, it will be one of the biggest breakthroughs in modern science, and we will then be better equipped to understand how common, or how rare, life in the cosmos really is.
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Thats a pretty interesting story about both the UFO and the little grey guys!
Were the gray men human looking or what? Did they have clothing or anything?
I wonder what their preoccupation with the building was? (maybe they "work" there!) Interesting to contemplate whether they might be Earthlings (including some kind of spirits from here), or aliens that are visiting or live here now.
Also interesting how the dog seemed to see them, but was not really alarmed or even interested. Maybe they are commonplace.
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We also know that there are organic compounds throughout the cosmos. The chances of life arising just once, on one planet, in one obscure region of the universe, seems, well, remote. But we still don't know. We've created organic compounds in the lab, but we have never seen them begin to self-organize and replicate -- the critical process for life. If and when we discover this, it will be one of the biggest breakthroughs in modern science, and we will then be better equipped to understand how common, or how rare, life in the cosmos really is.
The hypothesis is that early RNA-Molecules are able to reproduce their selves out of existing substances.
The substances are formed out of chemical reactions. If amino acids are heat, like in black smokers, they can form a simple RNA. The simple RNA that can reproduce it self, is the most that can be found.
In combination with self organized reaction rooms, existence proven, they can form cells. The first microorganism with working metabolism.

But you are right, it has never been seen.



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FTL travel: I remenber about 25 years ago they were talking about tachions sub atomic particles that traveled beyond the speed of light, also it was proven that electricity can travel faster than the speed of light.
Where it is proven that electricity can travel faster than the speed of light? Electrons and ions have a mass, and can't travel faster then the speed of light.

Tachyon would have a mass below 0, and until now they are only a possibility in math.


Can I ask you a simple question to your story. Why didn't you go close to them, if you see them so often and they didn't seem harmful?
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Hi there.

I am NOT a phycisist, i AM however an electronic technician i specialize in PC's, havent touched a soldering iron i over 20 years, but high very electric charges in the million of electron volt, the electric charge was said to make the electron's mass insignificant compared to it's electric charge and could thus travel faster then light.

About the little grey guys, only saw them 3 times as i stated, and i didn't think to get a camera and take pictures, there was a fence between where i was and where they were, and i wasn't too sure that getting too close to them was such a good idea, any more than they seem to, it's like when you see a skunk, it may not take much interest in you but if you get too close you are likely to get sprayed, they didn't seem to do anything and they also seemed to be a bit passive, but i don't know what would have happend if i got close enough to touch them, they probably would have left but i'm not sure, and what were they doing there? i have no clue, but there had to be a reason, and it seemed that they could go from where they lived and wher "i" lived easily where we can't (as far as i know) so i didn't want to chance it.

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Hi there.

I am NOT a phycisist, i AM however an electronic technician i specialize in PC's, havent touched a soldering iron i over 20 years, but high very electric charges in the million of electron volt, the electric charge was said to make the electron's mass insignificant compared to it's electric charge and could thus travel faster then light.
You can't use every day experiences to determine what will happen at speeds approaching light. When an electron approaches the speed of light, it's tiny insignificant mass will be multiplied by the Lorenz Factor (referred to as gamma):
gamma = 1/(sqrt(1-v^2/c^2))

where c is the speed of light, and v is velocity.

i.e., if v = 99.999999% of the speed of light, then the electron's mass would be about 7000 times it's normal mass.

if v = the speed of light, then it's mass goes up to infinity. That's a no no.

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Tachyon would have a mass below 0, and until now they are only a possibility in math.
Actually, tachyons would have an imaginary mass (imaginary as in the square root of a negative number).
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Hi there.

Immaginary numbers do exist and are used extensively when calculating vectors and (electrical) phase differentials corectly, havent done any such math in years but i still remember it, and in math you use the lower case i, in elctronics i is for intencity ie current, we use lower case j instead.

So maby tachions are as "real" ?

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If I see a skunk and there are no signs of defence from it, I would be curious about it, and I would try to get closer. But if I would see something Alien like, 3 times, I would try to know as much as possible about it. I can't belief someone recognize harmless Aliens and has no further interest and walk on as usual.

Calculating with a time point in electricity with inductance and capacitance is not like an imaginary mass. But in math possible.



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Sorry you are right.
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