Why do gays often hate Transgendered or Intersexed people?

[Smoothie]

This truly is a heated argument in the LGBT world. Many LGBT folks, mostly gay men, are deeply afraid of trans people. Some of them claim that because the Transgendered folks are straight in their new gender and that they don't deserve legal protections. So Transgendered people don't deserve to get married unless they succumb themselves to gender reassignment surgery?

If the LGBT crowd is OK with that, why don't they get gender reassignment surgery to get married if it is "no big deal" at all? I am a personal believer that all trans women and men are straight whether they get reassignment surgery or not, but should a person be forced to get an unwanted surgery to please the government alone? When someone is painfully obvious as being female or male, should they have to have a surgery just to please some bureaucrat? It's not like some trans girl can pass as a male anyway to begin with. If the person wants reassignment nobody is stopping them, but why force them to?

Is a man gay for being attracted to transgendered women? No.
Is a man gay for being attracted to a masculine male? Yes.
Why are the same legal precedents held to both? Why should a transgendered woman have to have a surgery THAT SHE DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE just to please the bigots in office?

"Hey, You can't get married until you prove that you have cut off your big toe".
"We don't care if you feel like a woman, we'll TELL YOU when you are a women going by our own rules and guidelines. YOU don't matter as to our judgements or decisions on whom you are."

That form of of logic is illogical, and I stand against it.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Smoothie

This truly is a heated argument in the LGBT world. Many LGBT folks, mostly gay men, are deeply afraid of trans people. Some of them claim that because the Transgendered folks are straight in their new gender and that they don't deserve legal protections. So Transgendered people don't deserve to get married unless they succumb themselves to gender reassignment surgery?

If the LGBT crowd is OK with that, why don't they get gender reassignment surgery to get married if it is "no big deal" at all? I am a personal believer that all trans women and men are straight whether they get reassignment surgery or not, but should a person be forced to get an unwanted surgery to please the government alone? When someone is painfully obvious as being female or male, should they have to have a surgery just to please some bureaucrat? It's not like some trans girl can pass as a male anyway to begin with. If the person wants reassignment nobody is stopping them, but why force them to?

Is a man gay for being attracted to transgendered women? No.
Is a man gay for being attracted to a masculine male? Yes.
Why are the same legal precedents held to both? Why should a transgendered woman have to have a surgery THAT SHE DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE just to please the bigots in office?

"Hey, You can't get married until you prove that you have cut off your big toe".
"We don't care if you feel like a woman, we'll TELL YOU when you are a women going by our own rules and guidelines. YOU don't matter as to our judgements or decisions on whom you are."

That form of of logic is illogical, and I stand against it.

I have no doubt that my good friend who is a transwoman and a lesbian would take great exception to your statement that I have highlighted above. Personally, I find it to be a statement of profound ignorance. And such ignorance is what fuels the types of misconceptions and prejudices that you seem to be writing against.

[Smoothie]

Originally Posted by smc

I have no doubt that my good friend who is a transwoman and a lesbian would take great exception to your statement that I have highlighted above. Personally, I find it to be a statement of profound ignorance. And such ignorance is what fuels the types of misconceptions and prejudices that you seem to be writing against.

You are correct.
I stated " I am a personal believer that all trans women and men are straight whether they get reassignment surgery or not". I meant that I believed that for all trans women or men interested in the opposite sex of their current gender. In other words, not ALL transgendered people are gay.
If they are gay that's also fine, but I just don't find a M2F Trans as being gay for dating a male, or vice-versa.

You didn't address the anti-trans sentiment of this thread at all, but focused on the only thing you could contest. Maybe for once you could have a positive attitude since you're supposed to be some sort of mod or admin. While you find me "profoundly ignorant" whenever you can't come up with a legitimate response based on anthropology, sociology, science or current topics for your convenience...I find you profoundly stubborn in your quite empty and desperate responses. The mainly "gay male" part of the LGBT community has singled out transgendered people in a negative way on news sites and blogs. I do hope that you're aware that transsexual admirers may *gasp*... actually care about trans rights. Of course, the *possibility* of actually caring about "trans rights" may be a profoundly ignorant topic to those whom have no interest in it.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Smoothie

You are correct.
I stated " I am a personal believer that all trans women and men are straight whether they get reassignment surgery or not". I meant that I believed that for all trans women or men interested in the opposite sex of their current gender. In other words, not ALL transgendered people are gay.
If they are gay that's also fine, but I just don't find a M2F Trans as being gay for dating a male, or vice-versa.

You didn't address the anti-trans sentiment of this thread at all, but focused on the only thing you could contest. Maybe for once you could have a positive attitude since you're supposed to be some sort of mod or admin. While you find me "profoundly ignorant" whenever you can't come up with a legitimate response based on anthropology, sociology, science or current topics for your convenience...I find you profoundly stubborn in your quite empty and desperate responses. The mainly "gay male" part of the LGBT community has singled out transgendered people in a negative way on news sites and blogs. I do hope that you're aware that transsexual admirers may *gasp*... actually care about trans rights. Of course, the *possibility* of actually caring about "trans rights" may be a profoundly ignorant topic to those whom have no interest in it.

You know nothing about me, but I give you credit for attempting in a failed effort to imply (quite directly) that I am simply some "admirer" who may not actually "care about trans rights." If you did know anything about me, you would know how profoundly wrong you are in making that implication. I have put my career on the line, more than once, in defense of gay and trans rights.

As for your attempt to explain what you wrote initially (the first paragraph, above), I am afraid it, too, is a failure. I suppose if I were functionally illiterate I could be fooled into believing that the initial comment could have actually meant the second version, but your generally high level of ability with the use of words (irrespective of actual content ... and this is something that, in my profession, I know a lot about) suggests strongly that there was no mistake.

Further, the time-honored tradition of seeking to sidestep what I wrote with an attempt to shift the focus to the part of your post that I did not respond to suggests a level of failure that trumps the other two points I've made. The mention of me being a moderator and the hint that we've sparred elsewhere ... well, I direct the reader's attention to this post:

http://forum.transladyboy.com/showpo...1&postcount=10

It would appear that you like to make statements that are bold, audacious, and completely unsupportable generalizations, and that you just don't like getting called on them. So, use your big vocabulary to try and bury the fact that you were called on one again, rather than answer the actual point.

Good luck with that.

[Smoothie]

Originally Posted by smc

You know nothing about me, but I give you credit for attempting in a failed effort to imply (quite directly) that I am simply some "admirer" who may not actually "care about trans rights." If you did know anything about me, you would know how profoundly wrong you are in making that implication. I have put my career on the line, more than once, in defense of gay and trans rights.

As for your attempt to explain what you wrote initially (the first paragraph, above), I am afraid it, too, is a failure. I suppose if I were functionally illiterate I could be fooled into believing that the initial comment could have actually meant the second version, but your generally high level of ability with the use of words (irrespective of actual content ... and this is something that, in my profession, I know a lot about) suggests strongly that there was no mistake.

Further, the time-honored tradition of seeking to sidestep what I wrote with an attempt to shift the focus to the part of your post that I did not respond to suggests a level of failure that trumps the other two points I've made. The mention of me being a moderator and the hint that we've sparred elsewhere ... well, I direct the reader's attention to this post:

http://forum.transladyboy.com/showpo...1&postcount=10

It would appear that you like to make statements that are bold, audacious, and completely unsupportable generalizations, and that you just don't like getting called on them. So, use your big vocabulary to try and bury the fact that you were called on one again, rather than answer the actual point.

Good luck with that.

I'm sorry, but you know nothing about me. We disagree on some points, and I think we agree on many others. I'm probably too outspoken as you say. Please take care and understand that I was "trying" to defend my dignity in my reply to you. If I was the fool to you, I may be the fool. I defend trans rights on the political level every day. However, I don't get scorned by them often.
We disagree on some points, and I think we agree on many others. I'm probably too outspoken as you say. Please take care and understand that I was "trying" to defend my dignity in my reply to you (You're not the only person with dignity).
If I was the fool to you, I may have been the fool.
I defend trans rights on the political level every day. However, I don't get scorned by them ever. You'd be the first at bat, champ.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Smoothie

I'm sorry, but you know nothing about me. We disagree on some points, and I think we agree on many others. I'm probably too outspoken as you say. Please take care and understand that I was "trying" to defend my dignity in my reply to you. If I was the fool to you, I may be the fool. I defend trans rights on the political level every day. However, I don't get scorned by them often.

I did not say you were "too outspoken." I don't like having words attributed to me that I did not say or write. You are correct that I "know nothing about" you. However, unlike you, I did not write anything to suggest that I do know anything about you beyond what I have read here. You, on the other hand, made all sorts of implications about me well beyond anything you could possibly know from what I've written here on this site. If you do know more, perhaps you would care to come clean in a PM. There are some shenanigans that have gone on; perhaps you know something about that?

I am sure you are correct that we agree on many things. For instance, I agree with your statement that "not ALL transgendered people are gay" ... even though I cannot even remotely agree that saying that is the same as your original post, in which you wrote: "I am a personal believer that all trans women and men are straight whether they get reassignment surgery or not" Nor can I agree with anything that might seem to equalize those statements.

I am not sure what to make of the last statement in your post above: "However, I don't get scorned by them often." Perhaps you would care to explain? It reads to me like another attempt at impugnation ... and I hope I'm wrong about that.