Immigration law

[TracyCoxx]

There's been a recent court ruling that upholds the rights of states to punish businesses for hiring illegal immigrants. In Arizona, if a business knowingly hires illegals, the first time there's a 10 day penalty against them, and the next time the business loses their license. This law was signed by Napolitano and upheld by the 9th Circuit (the most liberal of all the circuit courts).

Obama actually has a problem with this and wants the Supreme Court to overrule this decision. Why? Someone please explain this to me.

There's also the ongoing uproar over Arizona's new law, which is almost word for word the same as an already existing federal law. What is the problem? Why the uproar for enforcing laws that already exist?

[GRH]

Obama is trying to count on winning as many Mexican votes as he possibly can...That's why the uproar.

But do I agree? Absolutely not. I would have NO PROBLEM fining a business $10,000 per illegal worker that they are caught hiring. If we could make it impossible for illegals to find work here we'd go a long way towards stopping the illegal tide of immigrants.

[RickShaw]

Illegal Immigration has been a problem since before Reagan, and turning the Arizona Police into Gestapo Goons isn't the solution.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by GRH

Obama is trying to count on winning as many Mexican votes as he possibly can...That's why the uproar.

I often hear that legal Mexican immigrants are p.o.'d that there are so many illegals here since they worked so hard doing it the right way to get here legally. The illegals can't vote so there's no reason to try and get their vote unless you're planning on amnesty to suddenly turn them all into citizens.

Originally Posted by GRH

But do I agree? Absolutely not. I would have NO PROBLEM fining a business $10,000 per illegal worker that they are caught hiring. If we could make it impossible for illegals to find work here we'd go a long way towards stopping the illegal tide of immigrants.

Exactly! Which is how the vast majority of the American public feels. So you're a politician. You see one group consisting of maybe 10s of millions (the pro-illegal alien crowd), and you another group consisting of 100s of millions (the anti-illegal alien crowd). Politicians consistently try and woo the 10s of millions crowd. I still don't get it.

Originally Posted by RickShaw

Illegal Immigration has been a problem since before Reagan, and turning the Arizona Police into Gestapo Goons isn't the solution.

There isn't a viable solution right now. Especially when everyone up to the president is giving illegal aliens every free pass they can. Faced with this Arizona has no other choice. And it also serves to tell the US government that they aren't doing their job. Because if they don't like what Arizona is doing then they should take the burden off Arizona. And what part of the Arizona law is turning police into Gestapo Goons?

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I often hear that legal Mexican immigrants are p.o.'d that there are so many illegals here since they worked so hard doing it the right way to get here legally. The illegals can't vote so there's no reason to try and get their vote unless you're planning on amnesty to suddenly turn them all into citizens.

You forget that groups like ACORN have been wheeling illegals, bums etc. over to their local branches and fudging their names and numbers so that they can get them to vote for whoever best serves thier interests.

Exactly! Which is how the vast majority of the American public feels. So you're a politician. You see one group consisting of maybe 10s of millions (the pro-illegal alien crowd), and you another group consisting of 100s of millions (the anti-illegal alien crowd). Politicians consistently try and woo the 10s of millions crowd. I still don't get it.

Politician. Rope. Lamppost. Some assembly required.

There isn't a viable solution right now. Especially when everyone up to the president is giving illegal aliens every free pass they can. Faced with this Arizona has no other choice. And it also serves to tell the US government that they aren't doing their job. Because if they don't like what Arizona is doing then they should take the burden off Arizona. And what part of the Arizona law is turning police into Gestapo Goons?

It may not be a viable solution but it is a damn good deterrent and I for one support Jan Brewer for looking out for the residents of her state. This is the opposite of what you posted above. Now the focus is on the majority of the people who are seriously concerned about their well being and security rather than the usual tactic of catering and kissing ass to a minority of people.

[franalexes]

I hear that 70% of Arizona supports their law.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

I hear that 70% of Arizona supports their law.

The city council of my local community (Hemet) has voted to support Arizona.
In California is illegal to employ illegals yet the law is not enforced. Why? Agriculture is a major part of California's economy. Most of the field workers are illegals, many with fake documents. Many farming operations simply could not stay in business without the hardworking illegals. I know from personal experience that people who have grown up in our affluent society are incapable of doing farm work. Putting in nine hours a day six days a week is beyond them.
We need a work permit system that is viable and encourages workers to come here temporarily and leave their families back home. This would take the pressure off the schools, the hospitals and the infrastructure. Will it happen? I doubt it, this country is too fucked up with politics.

[rsantil]

Hy I am new to this post but I love the fact that like minded individuals have a place to express themselves.
As a legal mexican imigrant I have seen first hand what the problems with the imigration laws are and I would say that they do need to be changed. Unlike the ilegal imigrants I do not get any help from the government if i need something. My family has gone through the residency process to get our green cards for the past 15 years and we still have no answere. We have been legal from day one. through the process my sister had to go to college but she had to change her visa so she could get accepted because of this she will not recive her green card. We have tried to see how we can get her paperwork started but the lawyers tell us that it is almout imposible for her to get her greencard. So for doing everything the right way we get screwd but the people that are here ilegaly can get help to fix their papers.
Also in the last few years the crime rate in Mexico has increased but that is because the government has finally decided to fight the cartels so they are using the cartels are fighting to keep the business going. In Mexico it is ilegal for the people to have any type of guns so the cartels are geting the guns from the US and in most cases the equipment that the cartels have surpases the militarey equipment. I am not against having guns in the US but I would like to see a change on how easy it is to get a gun.