This is really bothering me... (Physics)

[Breezy]

so i was reading through the thread labeled something about UFOs, and i just got really irritated by the ignorant statements that people were making about physics.

the one that really got me was something like, "the shortest path between two points is a straight line", yes this is true... BUT that is assuming that the world is 3 dimensional. THE UNIVERSE IS CURVED AND HAS AT A MINIMUM OF 11 DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS(string theory/m-brane theory as reference). Imagine the universe as a sheet of paper; draw 2 random dots on this paper, the shortest path would be a straight line if the paper is FLAT. now, slightly curve that paper, now the shortest distance between the two would be a line going through one side and into the other. im not going to elaborate on this, i think it is pretty self-explanatory, to anybody with a good spatial sense.

just to clear a few things up:

1.WORM HOLES ARE VERY REAL, though traveling through one is at the moment IMPOSSIBLE hence, the Einstein-rosen bridge, and the immense gravitational forces that would literally rip you apart upon entering one.

2.A theory is a hypothesis that has been PROVEN multiple times by different scientists. Therefore, none of Einstein's theories can show these "cracks" of which you speak. After all, his theory of relativity did help create the nuclear bomb, the whole splitting of the atom.

3.I realize that i am a nerd...

had to get that off my chest...
sorry if i insulted somebody in a way that i can't even begin to comprehend.

[Jenae LaTorque]

Worm Holes are real??? C'mon now. Wormholes are possible. You prove to me that wormholes are real. For that matter, what is "real"?

[dannlov]

Worm holes are theoretically possible. Though the theory can be abolished at some point

[NCC-1701]

of course they are possible, but then again isnt anything possible?

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by NCC-1701

of course they are possible, but then again isnt anything possible?

Well, me getting a date with Areeya is theoretically possible, but in all probability highly unlikely!

[TheSkronkDonkey]

Originally Posted by Breezy

so i was reading through the thread labeled something about UFOs, and i just got really irritated by the ignorant statements that people were making about physics.

the one that really got me was something like, "the shortest path between two points is a straight line", yes this is true... BUT that is assuming that the world is 3 dimensional. THE UNIVERSE IS CURVED AND HAS AT A MINIMUM OF 11 DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS(string theory/m-brane theory as reference). Imagine the universe as a sheet of paper; draw 2 random dots on this paper, the shortest path would be a straight line if the paper is FLAT. now, slightly curve that paper, now the shortest distance between the two would be a line going through one side and into the other. im not going to elaborate on this, i think it is pretty self-explanatory, to anybody with a good spatial sense.

In your analogy, the shortest path between two points is STILL a straight line.

Originally Posted by Breezy

just to clear a few things up:

1.WORM HOLES ARE VERY REAL, though traveling through one is at the moment IMPOSSIBLE hence, the Einstein-rosen bridge, and the immense gravitational forces that would literally rip you apart upon entering one.

Wormholes are theoretical, not "very real".

Originally Posted by Breezy

2.A theory is a hypothesis that has been PROVEN multiple times by different scientists. Therefore, none of Einstein's theories can show these "cracks" of which you speak. After all, his theory of relativity did help create the nuclear bomb, the whole splitting of the atom.

A theory is a working model involving an hypothesis. Theories aren't "proven"; they're continually tested and held as accurate while there is failure to disprove.

And let me get this one right: Because Einstein's work (indirectly) led to the creation of the atomic bomb, that somehow means his General Theory of Relativity is wrong and should be discarded?

Originally Posted by Breezy

3.I realize that i am a nerd...

An uninformed nerd from where I'm sat.

Sorry if any of this has offended you.

[Breezy]

Originally Posted by TheSkronkDonkey

In your analogy, the shortest path between two points is STILL a straight line.



Wormholes are theoretical, not "very real".



A theory is a working model involving an hypothesis. Theories aren't "proven"; they're continually tested and held as accurate while there is failure to disprove.

And let me get this one right: Because Einstein's work (indirectly) led to the creation of the atomic bomb, that somehow means his General Theory of Relativity is wrong and should be discarded?



An uninformed nerd from where I'm sat.

Sorry if any of this has offended you.

it doesnt offend me at all. worm holes are REAL, though they only exist for a brief period of time, i was trying to say that in THEORY one would be able to travel trough one, not that their existence is theoretical.

about the straght line analogy. it would appear to be straight if u were veiwing it from a a higher dimension. since we cant DO THAT YET; it would appear curved from our perspective.

i never said that shit about his theory needing to be discarded. i have no idea how u even reached that conclusion.

and the word wouldnt be "uninformed", it would be "misinformed", if that were the case.

[Jenae LaTorque]

This is all a dream. You will wake up. Don't worry about it. LOL

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Breezy

so i was reading through the thread labeled something about UFOs, and i just got really irritated by the ignorant statements that people were making about physics.

the one that really got me was something like, "the shortest path between two points is a straight line", yes this is true... BUT that is assuming that the world is 3 dimensional. THE UNIVERSE IS CURVED AND HAS AT A MINIMUM OF 11 DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS(string theory/m-brane theory as reference). Imagine the universe as a sheet of paper; draw 2 random dots on this paper, the shortest path would be a straight line if the paper is FLAT. now, slightly curve that paper, now the shortest distance between the two would be a line going through one side and into the other. im not going to elaborate on this, i think it is pretty self-explanatory, to anybody with a good spatial sense.

That's nice. But we know the universe is flat with a 2% margin of error. See this page for more information:
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_shape.html

[Tread]

What is possible and not in astronomic dimensions, is a bit like to speculate. We know nearly 5% of the composition of the universe, the visible matter. No one realy know what dark energy and dark matter is, but in the currently theories they must exist. Even the origin of mass is unknown. It must be the higgs boson, but it's never proven.
There are more questions about the universe then answers.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Tread

What is possible and not in astronomic dimensions, is a bit like to speculate. We know nearly 5% of the composition of the universe, the visible matter. No one realy know what dark energy and dark matter is, but in the currently theories they must exist. Even the origin of mass is unknown. It must be the higgs boson, but it's never proven.
There are more questions about the universe then answers.

True, but that's off the topic. The original thread was about "Thoughts on UFO's" and the answers we have are relevant to such things like, are aliens constrained by the speed of light? Can they use wormholes? Would using other dimensions allow them to get here any quicker? This thread was created because Breezy doubted what was being said.

[Rachel]

Science is not an absolute. We dont have the answers to everything and probably never will. However the scientist is inflexible and believes there must be a logical explanation for anything. Stating things like "You cant travel faster then the speed of light" is an example of this inflexibility. Maybe in our scientific world you cant but it certainly is a big universe and maybe some other beings can.

[Tread]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

True, but that's off the topic. The original thread was about "Thoughts on UFO's" and the answers we have are relevant to such things like, are aliens constrained by the speed of light? Can they use wormholes? Would using other dimensions allow them to get here any quicker? This thread was created because Breezy doubted what was being said.

Yes, but Breezy create a new thread about physics, and didn't post in "Thoughts on UFO's".
He said that worm holes are real. No one has ever proven that one exist. The most people in this thread say, that they are theoretically possible, and I want to add that is possible in our currently view of the universe. We know 95% only from indirect influences. Maybe in future we will see that laws of dark energy won't allow a worm hole, or maybe we can inflence the higgs field so that we can bend the space-time. Or if you want the aliens can now.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Rachel

Science is not an absolute. We dont have the answers to everything and probably never will. However the scientist is inflexible and believes there must be a logical explanation for anything. Stating things like "You cant travel faster then the speed of light" is an example of this inflexibility. Maybe in our scientific world you cant but it certainly is a big universe and maybe some other beings can.

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

"Nothings impossible, we just can't do it right now"

Originally Posted by NCC-1701

of course they are possible, but then again isnt anything possible?

Ok Jenae and NCC-1701, let's not get carried away. There are always some people who revel in what cannot be known, or what they perceive cannot be known. That allows them to hold on to whatever fairy tails their heart desires. But there are some things that are just not possible. Even given enough time Jenae. i.e.... you will never... ever... EVER... violate conservation of energy. EVER! That may seem trivial, but actually it puts huge constraints on what is possible and what isn't. Like going faster than the speed of light, for example.

When my daughter was 5 or 6 she said no one can be perfect. I said "what's 5+5?" She replied "10". I said "See? Your answer is absolutely perfect".

And Rachel, I agree that we will never know everything and most certainly never will. But there are things that we do know that are simply correct. And as soon as our species realized that we left the dark ages behind and became a technological civilization.

You're shooting the messenger when you say I'm being inflexible for saying no one can go faster than the speed of light. I am only relaying the physics to you. Am I being inflexible when I say 1+1 cannot equal 3? I think realistic is a better word. You could go faster than light only if your mass is imaginary (as in the square root of a negative number). I will not break etiquette by asking a woman her weight, so I will just assume you do not have imaginary mass.