What do you think about who makes violence on the animals?

[Imbecille]

I think that they're beasts, it's not possible to make violence on innocent creatures.

[BuffyFan]

Sorry.
If science can slice up an animal to find a cure to anything I say do it.
If man didn't kill the mammoth for fur,they'd be dead.
So if killing a few minks makes a fur coat so be it. They don't add anything to the animal kingdom any way.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by BuffyFan

Sorry.
If science can slice up an animal to find a cure to anything I say do it.
If man didn't kill the mammoth for fur,they'd be dead.
So if killing a few minks makes a fur coat so be it. They don't add anything to the animal kingdom any way.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I rather read the initial question as one regarding cruelty to animals... which I'd hope most here are against...

[ziggybabie]

Originally Posted by BuffyFan

Sorry.
If science can slice up an animal to find a cure to anything I say do it.
If man didn't kill the mammoth for fur,they'd be dead.
So if killing a few minks makes a fur coat so be it. They don't add anything to the animal kingdom any way.

There is a HUGE difference between killing animals for survival or trying to find a cure and killing or torturing animals because 'Buffy' needs a fancy fur coat. 'Buffy' can choke on her caviaar.

on the subject of fur i have to say if the mink have been ethicly farmed and killed i don't see what the problem is, i don't agree with animal cruelty or hunting for fun, or the killing of any indangered species for any reason. but if someone is happy to eat meat or wear leather from one kind of farmed animal i don't see how they can have a problem woth fur.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by rhythmic delivery

on the subject of fur i have to say if the mink have been ethicly farmed and killed i don't see what the problem is, i don't agree with animal cruelty or hunting for fun, or the killing of any indangered species for any reason. but if someone is happy to eat meat or wear leather from one kind of farmed animal i don't see how they can have a problem woth fur.

I tend to agree with the basics of your statement here. The issue is exactly "ethicly farmed", as you mention. And that applies to every aspect also animals raised for the clothing industry.

[The Conquistador]

I only approve killing animals for 2 reasons
1)Survival as in food or for clothing(They usually go hand in hand)
2)For the good of people(such as a rabid or pissed off animal on a rampage or for finding a cure for life threatening ailments)

Anything other than that such as killing an animal for your own gratification only proves that you are a sick fuck who needs to be taken off of gods green earth.

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

I tend to agree with the basics of your statement here. The issue is exactly "ethicly farmed", as you mention. And that applies to every aspect also animals raised for the clothing industry.

I hunt deer and pheasants. My Father hunted and I pass the traditions down to my sons. We eat what we harvest. Anyone who eats meat or wears leather is just having someone else do the dirty work for them. We find joy and excitement in the hunt as our ancesters did. We love getting back to nature and being out in the woods away from the rat race of society. I dont see why some people think it's ok to eat a farm raised animal but not harvest a wild one. Mankind has been a hunter since we first walked in a bipedal fashion. We are meant to be omnivores not herbivores. If some people cant understand it well I doubt if I can change your mind.

Originally Posted by Imbecille

I think that they're beasts, it's not possible to make violence on innocent creatures.

have u do this or why ask u?

[Big_Willie]

I hate those people too, the same amount of pain should be inflicted on them too. Eye for an eye motherf*cker. You blew off a cat's leg? Let's chop off yours too, and see how funny that is...

Hunting - I'm against it, though not totally. If you eat what you kill, then it can be okay but only if you don't kill members of endangered species.
Medical research - until we come up with a better way to test stuff we can't do anything else. But I think there are more than enough desperate sick people who would be willing to undergo these tests. It would speed up the process and we wouldn't hurt innocent animals. But there's an other thing too. These animals are bred especially for research purposes, so I guess it's okay to experiment on them but the researchers should try to minimalize their suffering anyway. I mean, it's the same thing with those animals that are killed to feed us.
That's why I wish we had some of the technology from Star Trek, we could create food using only energy and do research using only advanced computer technology.

[sesame]

I think, deforestation is the bigger problem here.

Taking away the breeding grounds of tigers, elephants, rhinos, impalas, beers, wild-dogs... and so on, has pushed many species to the brink of extinction. The Govts. try to divert public attention from this land usurping programme and direct it to smaller problems like hunting and poaching.

Although poaching and senseless hunting for "SPORT" has lead to the extinction of many species of animals. Lets take the Tasmanian tigers (totally extinct), snow leopards(nearly extinct), Royal Bengal Tigers (very few living), Lions of Gujarat, W. African Black Rhino(very few left)... so on. Killing for manly sport has totally wiped out those fabulous Tasmanian tigers from the face of this planet. How sporting is that? You may find a few of their skins and stuffed bodies in private collection of hunters and museums, but not a single one alive.

Sadly all the images below belong to species that are either extinct or very nearly so. The African Wild dogs (they look like hyenas), the Australian Dingos(another wild dog), the snow leopard (white leopard), the famous Tasmanian tigers (those famished looking striped wolfish animals! Pity! ), Dodo(Birds that lived in Mauritius in the 1650s, people hunted every single one, eggs and all!).

[ila]

Originally Posted by sesame

Killing for manly sport has totally wiped out those fabulous Tasmanian tigers from the face of this planet. How sporting is that? You may find a few of their skins and stuffed bodies in private collection of hunters and museums, but not a single one alive.

You are not completely correct on this, Sesame. Tasmanian tigers were killed because they were considered dangerous to the sheep herds of Tasmania. I'm sure some were killed for the "sport" but mainly it was because they of the threat, real or not, to the sheep.

Recently scientists have discovered evidence that there may still be some Tasmanian tigers alive. It doesn't necessarily mean that there are enough for a sustainable population.

[Rachel]

Regulated sport hunting has never contributed to any animals going extinct. More so, my license dollars go to many programs that benefit all wildlife. Huge tracts of land are bought with license dollars. Management programs have boosted herd levels. Reintroduction of wild turkeys in my State has been a huge success. Unfortunately the term "hunter" is often misused. The correct word for those who break game laws is poacher. I also do not like to be lumped in with those who kill whales, club seals etc.

[sesame]

Originally Posted by ila

You are not completely correct on this, Sesame. Tasmanian tigers were killed because they were considered dangerous to the sheep herds of Tasmania. I'm sure some were killed for the "sport" but mainly it was because they of the threat, real or not, to the sheep.

Recently scientists have discovered evidence that there may still be some Tasmanian tigers alive. It doesn't necessarily mean that there are enough for a sustainable population.

Ila dear, you are full of bull... I mean, humour! If the scientists have "unearthed" evidence of living "thylacines" or Tasmanian Tigers, why dont they present some Live specimen in front of the world? Why are all the photographs of Thylacines in Black and White? Its simply because they killed the last one in 1936. Widespread hunting of the hapless aniwent on from the 1850s to 1936. There used to be huge Hunting parties back then. Scores of corpses of the poor beasts were hung upside down and their proud hunters took memento photos to remember the Grand occasion.

You may see some stuffed animals, some early photos and "artwork" on the Tasmanian Tigers below. Can you show me a current photo of that species, Ila?